Joe Gibbs Leaving Is Good for The Warpath
 

Because he's joining us as a moderator! j/k

Seriously though, in a strange way I feel that Gibbs' resignation is a positive step for discussions on this board. The bulk of my time here has been during Gibbs II.

And one thing that I think really affected our discussions and evaluation of Joe Gibbs is that we all had different perspectives and memories of him. Someone like Mooby isn't old enough to remember seeing live Darryl Grant highstepping into the end zone after intercepting a batted Dexter Manley pass in an NFC Championship game in front of a rocking RFK, the way Skinsguy can. Skinsguy probably doesn't remember Gibbs making his presence felt in the NFL for the first time in the early 1970s crafting a high powered St. Louis Cardinals offense, the way Backrow does.

I don't know, I guess I'm just rambling here.

But my point is, now with a new head coach we should all have a clean slate with which to evaluate him. Even if it's someone like Williams or Cowher who has experience being an NFL head coach, none of us have any emotional attachment to them as such.

That make sense?

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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

j/k

Growing up, I had an aquaintance who once stepped in and took a horrendous beating when I was getting jumped for running my mouth in high school. (I know - me, a smartass. It's a little far fetched.) Had this guy not jumped in, I'd likely not be the handsome devil typing today. I will, to this day, angrily defend his character.

Thing is, he's kind of a jackass.

I'm poigniantly aware of his flaws, but they do not outweigh the good he did for me.

There really isn't a Gibbs parallel for me here. However, maybe others will learn from my parable and spread my good word (lower-case "w").

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It makes sense to me SmootSmack. Whoever the next coach is, I believe we all should rally around him and support him as much as possible. I just hope the new coach will maintain continuity within the organization.

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I don't think I'll ever have as strong an emotional attachment to any other coach besides Joe. All that I ask is that if I ever go off the deep end and become as obsessed with Joe as Clutch is with George Allen, then you'll strip me of my VIP status and bid me a fond farewell.

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This thread is .....(Schneed?)


No... I hear what your saying. There's no more emotional cop-outs. We actually have a consistent fan base all seeing the same thing, and we'll be able to dissect it better.

The Lord God is not longer our coach... so it won't be blasphemy anymore to critique him. It's definitly going to be a lot more fun...

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;404912]I don't think I'll ever have as strong an emotional attachment to any other coach besides Joe. All that I ask is that if I ever go off the deep end and become as obsessed with Joe as Clutch is with George Allen, then you'll strip me of my VIP status and bid me a fond farewell.[/QUOTE]

Same with me Lady Brave. I grew up watching the Redskins play every Sunday, and seeing Joe Gibbs pacing the sidelines every Sunday as well. During our glory years, he was always the one constant.

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Insightful post and I agree w/ ya'll.

And I'm 100% for supporting our Skins going forward... coach left em in a good situation IMO. I'm saying prayers every few minutes that Danny boy doesn't do something really stupid in the weeks ahead!

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I agree--some of us knew him as the greatest coach of alltime and expected great things again and btw, immediately. We found ourselves getting frustrated along with the folks who did not know Gibbs 1.0 as well. Gibbs' departure I think will remove some of the partisanship we have on this site when evaluating the head coach.

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[quote=RobH4413;404914]This thread is .....(Schneed?)


No... I hear what your saying. There's no more emotional cop-outs. We actually have a consistent fan base all seeing the same thing, and we'll be able to dissect it better.

[COLOR=Red][I][B] The Lord God is not longer our coach[/B][/I][/COLOR]... so it won't be blasphemy anymore to critique him. It's definitly going to be a lot more fun...[/quote]
What a moronic thing to say. Scratch that. Moronic is a major understatement. Flat out brain dead stupidity....I could go on for hours.

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I think too many people around here defend him no matter how bad he messes up. It's good for The Warpath. But I'm very sad to see him go. He's such a high quality human being.

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[quote=SmootSmack;404906]Because he's joining us as a moderator! j/k

Seriously though, in a strange way I feel that Gibbs' resignation is a positive step for discussions on this board. The bulk of my time here has been during Gibbs II.

And one thing that I think really affected our discussions and evaluation of Joe Gibbs is that we all had different perspectives and memories of him. Someone like Mooby isn't old enough to remember seeing live Darryl Grant highstepping into the end zone after intercepting a batted Dexter Manley pass in an NFC Championship game in front of a rocking RFK, the way Skinsguy can. Skinsguy probably doesn't remember Gibbs making his presence felt in the NFL for the first time in the early 1970s crafting a high powered St. Louis Cardinals offense, the way Backrow does.

I don't know, I guess I'm just rambling here.

But my point is, now with a new head coach we should all have a clean slate with which to evaluate him. Even if it's someone like Williams or Cowher who has experience being an NFL head coach, none of us have any emotional attachment to them as such.

That make sense?[/quote]

This message board makes me feel so damn young :/. Although I do think it will be nice to view our own coach with unbiased eyes because he hasn't led us to 3 Super Bowls in his previous stint lol.

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I think all of us Redskins fans - not just on this board but across the nation - have struggled to find the appropriate tone when talking about Gibbs 2.0. I think age is certainly part of it, but really it's just unclear the degree to which Gibbs contributions to the franchise weigh against the shortcomings of his second regime. Part of me always felt that he needed to be evaluated as any other coach - but how can that be, when he is the man who single-handedly put DC on the football map?

Going forward we will all be on the same page and I think that that will indeed be good for discussion.

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I grew up with Gibbs as coach... 9 years old when he started and almost 21 when he finished his first tenure. Only real playoff or winning the Redskins have ever done has been under Gibbs (other than the 99 Norvel Tampa trip)... I understand him stepping down and I truly appreciate him coming back. Gibbs has given validity to the Snyder era and put us on a course for which we should all be thankful. Gone are the career 'enders' Deion, Bruce Smith. We have veterans like Godfrey, McCardell, Caldwell who are still impact players while filling the team with youth. Landry, Rogers, McIntosh, Campbell. I would bet that Joe Gibbs would grant an interview by the redskinswarpath rep in some capacity... HTTR!!! In Gibbs We Trust!

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I do understand the point behind the thread. I think there has been a bit of a divide between those that witnessed Gibbs' first run and were very loyal to him (myself included), and those that were too young during his first run and that loyalty just wasn't there and needed to be earned.

But I also think that no matter who the coach is, there is going to be those that lean more towards the supportive side and those that lean towards the less supportive side.

Bottom line, you can't make everyone happy.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;405057]I do understand the point behind the thread. I think there has been a bit of a divide between those that witnessed Gibbs' first run and were very loyal to him (myself included), and those that were too young during his first run and that loyalty just wasn't there and needed to be earned.

[B]But I also think that no matter who the coach is, there is going to be those that lean more towards the supportive side and those that lean towards the less supportive side. [/B]

Bottom line, you can't make everyone happy.[/QUOTE]


I'd love to be wrong, but that's what I see happening. Some of that is natural, and good for discussion's sake. But some people don't know how to separate the post from the poster. Those people suck.

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Good thread.. I don't think Norv would elicit such impassioned responses.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;405057]I do understand the point behind the thread. I think there has been a bit of a divide between those that witnessed Gibbs' first run and were very loyal to him (myself included), and those that were too young during his first run and that loyalty just wasn't there and needed to be earned.

But I also think that no matter who the coach is, there is going to be those that lean more towards the supportive side and those that lean towards the less supportive side.

Bottom line, you can't make everyone happy.[/QUOTE]

True, but I think the debates will (hopefully) be more substantial as opposed to fueled more so by emotion

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[quote=Mattyk72;405057]I do understand the point behind the thread. I think there has been a bit of a divide between those that witnessed Gibbs' first run and were very loyal to him (myself included), and those that were too young during his first run and that loyalty just wasn't there and needed to be earned.

But I also think that no matter who the coach is, there is going to be those that lean more towards the supportive side and those that lean towards the less supportive side.

[B] Bottom line, you can't make everyone happy.[/B][/quote]

Sure you can, win a Super Bowl :food-smil

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[quote=saden1;405067]Sure you can, win a Super Bowl :food-smil[/quote]

Somehow I doubt that would make everyone happy. Someone would find something to gripe about. I guarantee it.

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Good post SS -- I agree completely that Gibbs loyalists would defend him regardless, and that often set others of us off since it seemed regardless of what the team was doing there was no wrong involved -- the discussion here I think will improve from people being able to speak their mind a bit better without previous biases.

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And on the other extreme, there were those that seemed to bash him endlessly. Only to deflect credit away from him when things went well.

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I, for one, plan on being more argumentative than ever. ;)

I guess I wasn't really involved on this board before Gibbs return, so I really only know the atmosphere under "Gibbs 2.0" (I'll be so happy when we do away with that term.)

Should be interesting to see the discussion dynamic under a new coaching regime.

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I believe that if Joe would of comeback next year, he would have taken us to the SB with a healthy team and new players added thru FA and draft. Now the reality, I'm a big Cam Cameron supporter (laugh all you want) but the best thing for the team as far as continuity and chemistry is to promote GW. If Dan Snyder does something else he will lose respect and basically the team. I hope he does the right thing and hires GW as the HC.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;405080]Somehow I doubt that would make everyone happy. Someone would find something to gripe about. I guarantee it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, like...

"They got lucky to win the SB. It was a down year, and barely won by the skin of their teeth. If it wasn't for a lucky stretch run at the end of the season, the team would have been 5-11."

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[QUOTE=Daseal;405085]Good post SS -- I agree completely that Gibbs loyalists would defend him regardless, and that often set others of us off since it seemed regardless of what the team was doing there was no wrong involved -- the discussion here I think will improve from people being able to speak their mind a bit better without previous biases.[/QUOTE]

That's not exactly what I was trying to say, but ok

Anyhow, what will be interesting to see is let's say we win the Super Bowl next year with essentially the same core group, will people say "look at the team that President Gibbs put together for us" or "Look, all it took was for HC Gibbs to step out of the way."

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[quote=cpayne5;405095]Yeah, like...

"They got lucky to win the SB. It was a down year, and barely won by the skin of their teeth. If it wasn't for a lucky stretch run at the end of the season, the team would have been 5-11."[/quote]

LOL

too funny

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[quote=SmootSmack;405098]That's not exactly what I was trying to say, but ok

Anyhow, what will be interesting to see is let's say we win the Super Bowl next year with essentially the same core group, will people say [B]"look at the team that President Gibbs put together for us" or "Look, all it took was for HC Gibbs to step out of the way.[/B]"[/quote]

Oh man I can see it now. :doh:

Of course though if we're having that conversation for real, it means we won the SB so I might find it hard to even be upset about it.

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I'm on the same page, SS. This is an unretarded thread.

A big faction of Skins fans supported Gibbs on blind faith, and almost shied away from honest analysis because they just couldn't bring themselves to say anything critical about the guy. Maybe that's just a symptom of refusing to think about anything but the positive, and in that case, those people will see no change in behavior. Or maybe now we're opening ourselves up to an opportunity to give a more honest, no-sh*t assessment when we examine the team and its coach.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;405102]I'm on the same page, SS. This is an unretarded thread.

A big faction of Skins fans supported Gibbs on blind faith, and almost shied away from honest analysis because they just couldn't bring themselves to say anything critical about the guy. Maybe that's just a symptom of refusing to think about anything but the positive, and in that case, those people will see no change in behavior. Or maybe now we're opening ourselves up to an opportunity to give a more honest, no-sh*t assessment when we examine the team and its coach.[/QUOTE]
There's also a big faction who think it's "uncool" to associate themselves with the past and want to be hip by presenting a "What have you done for me lately" attitude.

Look, bottom line is all sides are guilty of letting emotion get in the way of Gibbs. The "Gibbs is my generation" folks and the "Gibbs never did anything for me" people.

Either way, we're all right to have passion and emotion still we'll all benefit from a tabula rasa

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;405094]I believe that if Joe would of comeback next year, he would have taken us to the SB with a healthy team and new players added thru FA and draft. [B]Now the reality, I'm a big Cam Cameron supporter (laugh all you want)[/B] but the best thing for the team as far as continuity and chemistry is to promote GW. If Dan Snyder does something else he will lose respect and basically the team. I hope he does the right thing and hires GW as the HC.[/QUOTE]

I was laughing pretty damn hard already, but thanks for the permission.

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[quote=SmootSmack;405111][B]There's also a big faction who think it's "uncool" to associate themselves with the past and want to be hip by presenting a "What have you done for me lately" attitude.[/B]

Look, bottom line is all sides are guilty of letting emotion get in the way of Gibbs. The "Gibbs is my generation" folks and the "Gibbs never did anything for me" people.

Either way, we're all right to have passion and emotion still we'll all benefit from a tabula rasa[/quote]

I've often thought a similar thing... that some want to go against the grain just for the sake of going against the grain.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;405124]I've often thought a similar thing... that some want to go against the grain just for the sake of going against the grain.[/QUOTE]

It's also easy to be a pessimistic fan because in the end you're going to be happy about something. Think about it; if you proclaim doom and gloom to be on its way and you're right, then you get the credit (albeit, many times its your own hand patting your own back). If you're not right, you still get to partake in the celebration of a successful season. (I guess, in order to be happy, you actually have to be a fan, though).

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;405124]I've often thought a similar thing... that some want to go against the grain just for the sake of going against the grain.[/QUOTE]

Some people get off on being contrarian.

Especially computer programmers. What the hell is it with them? Being different for the sake of being different is asinine. Be different for a rational reason, not just because.

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I personally think there's a whole lot of immaturity on the site. Too many people hold on to grudges based on nothing more than having a difference of opinion. Still others insist on bringing everyone else down to their level with ridiculous threads of "i told you so" and "amnesty..." which do nothing so much as breed dissension.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;405147]I personally think there's a whole lot of immaturity on the site. Too many people hold on to grudges based on nothing more than having a difference of opinion. Still others insist on bringing everyone else down to their level with ridiculous threads of "i told you so" and "amnesty..." which do nothing so much as breed dissension.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. And what's with all the "I'm going to get flamed for this but..." posts lately?

Why even say that?

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[quote=cpayne5;405131]It's also easy to be a pessimistic fan because in the end you're going to be happy about something. Think about it; if you proclaim doom and gloom to be on its way and you're right, then you get the credit (albeit, many times its your own hand patting your own back). If you're not right, you still get to partake in the celebration of a successful season. (I guess, in order to be happy, you actually have to be a fan, though).[/quote]

Yep, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;405146]Some people get off on being contrarian.

[B]Especially computer programmers.[/B] What the hell is it with them? Being different for the sake of being different is asinine. Be different for a rational reason, not just because.[/QUOTE]

Whhhhaaatttt? :confused:

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I think people issue the b.s. disclosure because, in their mind, it gives them the right to post whatever nonsense that has come to mind without being responsible for the content or effects of their post. It's an amateur form of libel where someone says something ridiculous and defamatory without taking credit for their statement, i.e. "I don't know if it's true or not, and you guys will probably blast me for this, but I heard that Gibbs retired because he's senile."

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;404906]Because he's joining us as a moderator! j/k

Seriously though, in a strange way I feel that Gibbs' resignation is a positive step for discussions on this board. The bulk of my time here has been during Gibbs II.

And one thing that I think really affected our discussions and evaluation of Joe Gibbs is that we all had different perspectives and memories of him. Someone like Mooby isn't old enough to remember seeing live Darryl Grant highstepping into the end zone after intercepting a batted Dexter Manley pass in an NFC Championship game in front of a rocking RFK, the way Skinsguy can. Skinsguy probably doesn't remember Gibbs making his presence felt in the NFL for the first time in the early 1970s crafting a high powered St. Louis Cardinals offense, the way Backrow does.

I don't know, I guess I'm just rambling here.

But my point is, now with a new head coach we should all have a clean slate with which to evaluate him. Even if it's someone like Williams or Cowher who has experience being an NFL head coach, none of us have any emotional attachment to them as such.

That make sense?[/QUOTE]

It does make sense, however, I feel the bigger reason is that everyone felt like the Skins would return to glory after going through that Spurrier disaster. We all got excited that our saviour was back. Now we're all upset that he's gone.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;404906]Because he's joining us as a moderator! j/k

Seriously though, in a strange way I feel that Gibbs' resignation is a positive step for discussions on this board. The bulk of my time here has been during Gibbs II.

And one thing that I think really affected our discussions and evaluation of Joe Gibbs is that we all had different perspectives and memories of him. Someone like Mooby isn't old enough to remember seeing live Darryl Grant highstepping into the end zone after intercepting a batted Dexter Manley pass in an NFC Championship game in front of a rocking RFK, the way Skinsguy can. Skinsguy probably doesn't remember Gibbs making his presence felt in the NFL for the first time in the early 1970s crafting a high powered St. Louis Cardinals offense, the way Backrow does.

I don't know, I guess I'm just rambling here.

But my point is, now with a new head coach we should all have a clean slate with which to evaluate him. Even if it's someone like Williams or Cowher who has experience being an NFL head coach, none of us have any emotional attachment to them as such.

That make sense?[/QUOTE]


Hey, Honey, I've made the B I G T I M E!

I never thought that I would be included in with such elite company. But, we after all are a Band of Brothers!

I did see all of HOF Gibbs 1.0, and the twelve plus years before his arrival.

I know that I'm O L D! But, hey, age is what keeps me going!