Green Bay can run on Seattle but we couldn't!!
 

This game has made me sick to my stomach. We could not give Portis no room to run nor protect Collins and Green Bay is making it look easy. We have to really work on our o-line first and foremost. Ryan Grant is making Seatte's run defense seem like the worst in the league.

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Different game, different conditions. Seattle's been a bad road team all year. Don't forget that Brett Favre is about a thousand times as mobile as TC.

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Weather's got a lot to do with it also.

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Yeah, I am sick to see how much better their o-line is. I was so high in Heyer, but in the end he looked like a rookie who was never even drafted out of college. I hope he works extremely hard this off season.

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No. There is no excuse. A nobody can run on them but a former ROY can't?
Ridiculous

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Not to be a downer, but CP hasn't shown rushing prowess in the post season for his career

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[quote=chrisl13;406509]No. There is no excuse. A nobody can run on them but a former ROY can't?
Ridiculous[/quote]

Are you serious? So playing in Lambeau in the middle of winter is exactly the same as playing in your own climate controlled dome? Green Bay is basically magical in Lambeau in the playoffs, and I've always maintained that Seattle is the complete opposite of smashmouth. That fact, combined with the weather is what killed the Seahawks today.

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If we played in those weather conditions we would have won also.

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[QUOTE=chrisl13;406509]No. There is no excuse. A nobody can run on them but a former ROY can't?
Ridiculous[/QUOTE]

he's been the 2nd best RB since he became the starter this year only behind LT so he actually is a really good Running back

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;406508]Yeah, I am sick to see how much better their o-line is. I was so high in Heyer, but in the end he looked like a rookie who was never even drafted out of college. I hope he works extremely hard this off season.[/QUOTE]

I think the problem is a lot of people forgot that Heyer was an undrafted rookie playing an away playoff game lined up against one of the DEs in the league. He got outplayed, no question. But we need to temper our expectations of him.

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I was rooting for the packs today but i am pissed that our rushing hasn't been good. We need huge improvement.

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[quote=Southpaw;406512]Are you serious? So playing in Lambeau in the middle of winter is exactly the same as playing in your own climate controlled dome? Green Bay is basically magical in Lambeau in the playoffs, and I've always maintained that Seattle is the complete opposite of smashmouth. That fact, combined with the weather is what killed the Seahawks today.[/quote]

Seattle actually doesnt play in a dome and they usually have poor weather

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I thought we could go to the super bowl but after watching seattle no way
We have a lot of needed players to move up a level
Home field without noise makes coming of the ball a big help for blocking
Wish the next coach well but has his hands full

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;406519]I think the problem is a lot of people forgot that Heyer was an undrafted rookie playing an away playoff game lined up against one of the DEs in the league. He got outplayed, no question. But we need to temper our expectations of him.[/QUOTE]

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Im with Smootsmack -- Heyer is an undrafted rookie going against arguably a top 3DE in the NFL. All things considered, I dont know if they slid help his way or not, but things were fixed in the 2nd half.

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[quote=bigm29;406521]Seattle actually doesnt play in a dome and they usually have poor weather[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know who I was thinking about with the dome, but they're still a finesse team. And Hasselbeck is a whiner...

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It was not Heyer, but a combination of Heyer, Fabini, and the lack of O production in the first half of our game B&G vs. da-haux.

GB has all players on their O-line, and the S N O W! It's like another man making you slow down a step on the D side.

HOF Coach Gibbs found out afterward that you have a limited number of chances with the ball during the game. I feel it was lost in the first half.

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we were lucky we were even in the seattle game,it should have been so much worse than 13-0,but hey we came back and should have won the game,I still wish someone would show me the rule that you cant advance a kcikoff when nobody touches it.Also the crowd noise in seattle has got to be no doubt the best in the league.Last week I listened to the game on the way home from work on the radio and i had to turn it up all the way to be able to hear the announcers over the crowd,I had a splitting headache by the time I got home from the crowd noise being so loud,todays greenbay game I listened to on the way home and had the volume halfway and could hear it with no problem

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;406504]This game has made me sick to my stomach. We could not give Portis no room to run nor protect Collins and Green Bay is making it look easy. We have to really work on our o-line first and foremost. Ryan Grant is making Seatte's run defense seem like the worst in the league.[/QUOTE]

Yeah?

With a washed-up backup for a right guard and an undrafted rookie for a right tackle it is no surprise we couldn't run on a playoff team. The success in the last four reg. season games had a lot to do w/ raw emotion and mixing blocking schemes. Emotion was not there for our offense in the Seattle game and their defense had studied our schemes (especially placing an extra tackle on the right side). Anyways, it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise contrasting our playoff game and the game w/ GB. Their o-line is young, healthy and playing very well.

The more I think about our season, the more I hope we draft/acquire a stud right tackle AND a stud guard to backup RT and Pete. We need a line of Hogs!

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;406591]I still wish someone would show me the rule that you cant advance a kcikoff when nobody touches it.[/QUOTE]

A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. [B]Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.[/B]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff]NFL Rules Digest: Kickoff[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;406595]A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. [B]Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.[/B]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff]NFL Rules Digest: Kickoff[/url][/QUOTE]

thanks Smooty,{hope you dont minf if i call you Smooty,lol}
I wonder when that rule was made,I'm pretty damn sure I have seen an onside kick that bounced perfectly to the kicking team and was returned for a td,and i'm thinking its been within the past 5 yrs,but time flies when your past 40,it could have been 20 years ago:confused:

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Seattle is only good at home.

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Lambeau in January? Come on folks get with it. A west coast team from the weakest division in the NFL comes in and gets its butt kicked by the Pack. Newsflash guys..... The Packers are used to playing in very cold weather, plus they were way better than the Redskins this season. If we played Seattle at Fedex we would have had a better chance of winning just because of the cold alone. We basically pulled a '05. Came on like gangbusters in December only to run out of gas in the playoffs. Our D isn't as good as '05 so we couldn't rely on it to win a game on its own though. All the Pack- Seahawks game showed is how much work the Front Office and new coach needs to do to get us to the next level. The team rallied around itself due to the ST tragedy, but ran out of gas in the playoffs, when emotion alone isn't going to win squat. Before our nice little run in December, this team was really mediocore. Seattle got us at home and beat us up in the last 12 minutes of the game. A total collapse on our part. It all doesn't matter anyway. Pats look like they already have it wrapped up.

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Why was I benched?

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Seattle is a completely different team on the road. Without the head start the crowd noise provides for their defensive front they lose a big edge. The footing further negated their speed. I asked and someone pointed out that of Kerney's 14.5 sacks, 10.5 were at home and 3 were against the lowly Rams who also play on a fast track and who lost most of their O-line this year. And of course today's loss made Seattle 3-6 on the road for the year. I wouldn't read too much into it.

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It shouldn't be news to anyone on here that our oline, while decimated by injuries, was not very good. Compare our team to what GB did or what Jax, NYG, NE, do on the oline. There are holes to run in w/ these teams. CP had a good year w/ an average to below avg oline.

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The snow and the weather had very little to do with it.
After reading this thread I went back to look at both of the games I DVR'd (Redskin vs Seattle and the GB vs Seattle) and noticed one huge difference between what Green Bay did and Redskins did not. The Green Bay tightends and FB blocked the shit out of the Seattle LB's. In our game the Seattle LB's were flying all over the field and in our backfield on most run plays. In the Green Bay game the Green Bay TE's and FB controlled the Seattle LB's. On some of the long GB runs the Seattle LB's were getting the snot knocked out of them with some great blocks.
Our TE's are not known for their blocking prowess. Cooley is a great receiver but not a great blocker. Cooley fans please do not get upset. The only [B]really[/B] good blocker we have is FB/H-back Mike Sellers. We need to look at drafting or signing a TE or two that can knock people backwards.

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No way in hell is redskins 05 defense better then this years, thats bullshit. Plus, when we had them at home we didn't get beat up in the last 12 minutes of the game...... we won..

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I belive we did better two years ago because Gibbs offense was run set up the pass. The blocking was better for that reason. Al's offense I thought I read in the post or somewhere is pass set up the run. Blocking is definitly an issue. I'm not sure if giving total control to Al is the answer or not. I'll also whine and say I belive Seattle's CB were grabbing arms and waists on a lot of the plays and hittng our WR beyond the 5 yrds. No penaltys called. I kept thinking about the Patriots and how the rule was made because of them and Seatle was doing the very same thing. I guess the best team won though. I'm glad they lost. I hated their fans comments.

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heyer is fine, i think he should start there next year and move jansen down inside to left guard. then you have booker, kendall, and a rookie as your backups. but with fabini, kendall at guard i dont know how you thought there would ever be that much room to run esspecially since neither of them is particularly athletic. we are at our best when our guards are pulling and we are getting to the edges, or even running those inside traps and zones that cp can hit going downhill. but you have to have good guards in order to do that. green bay has an awesome line if you ask me and they are young. really justifies them playing those rookies last year and letting them learn on the fly. playing at lambeau and in seattle are two different things though. tough place to go play when its snowing like crazy and the crowd is mad.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;406671]The snow and the weather had very little to do with it.
After reading this thread I went back to look at both of the games I DVR'd (Redskin vs Seattle and the GB vs Seattle) and noticed one huge difference between what Green Bay did and Redskins did not. The Green Bay tightends and FB blocked the shit out of the Seattle LB's. In our game the Seattle LB's were flying all over the field and in our backfield on most run plays. In the Green Bay game the Green Bay TE's and FB controlled the Seattle LB's. On some of the long GB runs the Seattle LB's were getting the snot knocked out of them with some great blocks.
Our TE's are not known for their blocking prowess. Cooley is a great receiver but not a great blocker. Cooley fans please do not get upset. The only [B]really[/B] good blocker we have is FB/H-back Mike Sellers. We need to look at drafting or signing a TE or two that can knock people backwards.[/QUOTE]

I was surprised Yoder wasn't in there more to block. Cooley was absolutely misused/abused early in that Seahawk's game by being made to stay back and help block

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;406687]I was surprised Yoder wasn't in there more to block. Cooley was absolutely misused/abused early in that Seahawk's game by being made to stay back and help block[/QUOTE]

Plus he is not a very good blocker.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;406519]I think the problem is a lot of people forgot that Heyer was an undrafted rookie playing an away playoff game lined up against one of the DEs in the league. He got outplayed, no question. [B]But we need to temper our expectations of him[/B].[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I like Heyer, but it was a little unrealistic for people to start talking about him replacing Jansen.

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The fact that GB was able to run on Seattle has nothing to do with the fact we could not. The weather was obviously a huge factor in slowing down Seattle's D. Their strength is speed and getting after the passer, and the weather totally neutralized them.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;406504]This game has made me sick to my stomach. We could not give Portis no room to run nor protect Collins and Green Bay is making it look easy. We have to really work on our o-line first and foremost. Ryan Grant is making Seatte's run defense seem like the worst in the league.[/quote]

It's called home field advantage.

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[QUOTE=Kevikazi;406507]Weather's got a lot to do with it also.[/QUOTE]

This is true, the Seahawks D are not "mudders." The snow & field conditions were a real handicap for the style of D we play and the smaller guys we have. If the field was clear (or if the game was at Qwest) you would not have seen a blowout and 200+ yards from Grant. Not saying we would have won for sure, but the weather was a big problem.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;406715]The fact that GB was able to run on Seattle has nothing to do with the fact we could not. The weather was obviously a huge factor in slowing down Seattle's D. Their strength is speed and getting after the passer, and the weather totally neutralized them.[/QUOTE]


Yes, this is very accurate.

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If you compare how we played against Seattle and how GB did, I think one of the most worrying aspects of this game was that if you take away the two early scores that came from GB turn overs this has to be one of the most one sided p/off games I can remember. I’m sure the weather played a part but I think it really emphasizes how much we have to improve the O Line and maybe at WR to be even close next year

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[quote=sancho2613;406518]he's been the 2nd best RB since he became the starter this year only behind LT so he actually is a really good Running back[/quote]

Yea, but who knew Ryan Grant when he got drafted and played in his first game? I bet u don't know..not to start anything
did he even get drafted?

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[quote=sancho2613;406518]he's been the 2nd best RB since he became the starter this year only behind LT [B]so he actually is a really good Running back[/B][/quote]Playing behind a really good O-line. The Skins really need to get some good young blood on the O-line this coming draft.

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[quote=chrisl13;407858]Yea, but who knew Ryan Grant when he got drafted and played in his first game? I bet u don't know..not to start anything
did he even get drafted?[/quote]


No he didn't get drafted I didn't even know him untill his first start with the Packers. He was 3rd string RB, but what I was trying to say is it's not like he's some crappy running back just getting lucky against the Seahawks he's put up amazing #'s for only starting half the year. Like a lot of people are pointing out here if CP had a better O-line I'm sure he would have had a better game and the weather was a BIG help for the Packers but Ryan Grant has been playing extremely well he's been having big runs in almost every game with or without the snow.... so what I was trying to say is he is pretty much a nobody but he's REALLY REALLY good for a non drafted RB in his first year... oh yeah he's averaged 145 yards on the ground in 8 starts and has 1130 yards since week 8 he's been doing a good job against a lot of teams not just the Seahawks...