A funny anti-kerry image [Dems need not click]
 

[url]http://www.nagshead.net/kerry/flush.jpg[/url]


But how do people really think?
lol

peace and....VOTE!!!!
mike

What exactly has bush done to make you such a die hard fan? Halliburton employee?

he hasn't posted pro-bush stuff that i can recall... just anti-kerry stuff... not quite the same thing, but usually there's a corelation ;)

Here's a good link for those who think Mr. Kerry is a war hero who all around him support.
[url]http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php[/url]

Also check out this link
[url]http://www.swiftvets.com/index.html[/url]

Just FYI

Make sure everyone votes!
peace
mike

Kerry's four months in the line of fire is better than Bush's no months. unless you count the time he was in uniform on the carrier with the sign that said 'Mission Accomplished'. yawn.

:sleep:

I personally don't think either one should bother talking about or discrediting each others military service, neither one has a shiny happy record, and the little service they did do was ages upon ages ago... kerry probably didn't deserve his purple hearts, bush got out of going, whatever, what they did when they were 20 isn't really as relevant as what they've done more recently.

but once again, this crap is completely utterly boring...

Oh come on guys!
lol
Well, is this funny?
[url]http://www.nagshead.net/2004election/janetkerry.jpeg[/url]

This one I know is funny.
[url]http://www.nagshead.net/2004election/weepublican.jpg[/url]

It's funny and it's not hurting anyone.
Have a great day guys!

peace

The mess if a democrat wins. The 900+ dead soldiers and constant state of fear we currently live in just warms me to think about...

and you think the dems aren't going to use that fear? or are they just going to make it magically disappear? ;)

the towers happened before iraq... and no major US civilian loses have occurred since then...

not trying to be a dick, sorry...

Democrats talk about how we should be at war and stuff, and their record shows it. Wheter you like Bush or Kerry, you cant argue taht bush actucally took action when we were attacted. What did clinton do when the trade center was attacked the first time, or the embassies that were bombed, or the laundry list of other terrosist acts that he let go unanwsered with no consequence. Now mabye you think that no action is the best action. But if you are worried about terrorists then you might want to consider picking bush since he'll actually do somethign about it.

Now Bush has plenty of other things that arent so hot, but you guys were talking about fear and stuff so i thought id share that.

I guess you don't consider Iraqi's citizens. We killed 2300 Iraqi Civilians during just the air raids on Iraq. The US rarely losses citizens because we almost always bring the war to them. [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/appendix/death.html[/url]

[url]http://www.iraqbodycount.net/[/url] -- That includes things such as suidice bombers, because they say if (in Jon Stewart's words) the coallision forces made up of the US and a crazy Australian with a bowie knife, weren't there the bombers also wouldn't be there, which I can agree with. These numbers are alarming, and guess what. It's a hell of a lot more civilians than we lost, and we wonder why they want us to go home!

Skins - Consider picking Bush because when a rogue band of terrorists attacks our homeland he goes rushing into Iraq shown to have absolutely no affilliation with Al-Quada (sp?). He's not doing anything about it, he's using the World Trade Center to promote his own agenda. I love how before the war (which I opposed from the begining) everyone talked about WMD's, and how many terrorists we could bag. Now all they can say is what a bad guy Saddam is. Yeah, he was a bad guy, but I think we have more important things than taking out dictators. Either that or we have a long list to go. We won't touch Kim Jong Il and he was and is much more of a threat than Iraq.

Hey daseal if you remeber correctly we went into Afganastan first after the towers went down and not Iraq.We invaded Iraq because we already had our forces in the region.

Now about the WMDs when we first went into Iraq there wasnt a single usable water truck in the country because they were contaminated with jet fuel wich is commnoly used to hide the presence of chemical weapons.

I dont know about the rest of you but I dont live in fear and I grew up ten minutes away from the pentagon.I think Bush did the right thing invading Iraq and afganastan.Im tired of people thinking that You can stop terrorist by non violent actions.THe terrorists only demand is that we die and talking to them isnt going to change that.They only respect violence and if that is what they want then that is what they should get.

I realize that this is the Parking Lot... but I think you can only make enemies by discussing politics, race and religion here.

p.s. The number of Iraqi civillians we killed is nothing compared to the number of Iraqis that saddam killed so you do the math.

Afghanistan supported an attack on the U.S. and deserved to be flipped upside down. we found all the international help for that.

Iraq, jet fuel or no, has been PROVEN to not be a threat to the U.S. either with WMD, delivery systems or state sponsored terrorism. if you consider invading countries without proven reason, severing global alliances, and painting a bigger target on the US, at enormous cost of dollars and lives, DOING something then that something was INCOMPETENT and grossly irresponsible.

its funny how people will claim iraqi 'civil rights' was part of this war's agenda (as IF), but not recognize the arrogant personal and economic agenda this war was really fought for. peoples heads are buried in the sand along with all those deadly, nation threatening WMD..

Amen, Illdefined.

We also hesitated before rushing into Afghanistan. Which certainly didn't help.

Let's look at the time from of the amount of deaths that Saddam created and the amount the US created. Per year we kill more citizens than Saddam. But it's OK because we're forcing our way of life on another country, right?

You think we've seen a backlash now? Wait till US forces deystroy the holiest of Mosques. It's like the Vatican being torn down by terrorists if you put it into perspective for us. Speaking of the Vatican...

I'm all for invading Vatacin city next (it is a country) because they have a religious rule setup and in place. God knows what extremes pope john paul may go through to get his way!

> severing global alliances
what global alliances? you realize we supply a vast majority of the UN security forces right? and that france and russia didn't want us to go in because (in part) they were too busy making money trading military consulting and equipment for oil and cash?

[quote]they say if (in Jon Stewart's words) the coallision forces made up of the US and a crazy Australian with a bowie knife[/quote]

you realize that jon stewart is a comedian making a joke on a fake news show right?
and do you know that the democrats were all for the war too?

seriously, this crap is boring...

and believe it or not, saddam has killed much more civillians in a single year than US forces have, maybe not on average, but averaging 1 year of war versus a longer period isn't completely fair.

[QUOTE=Daseal][url]http://www.iraqbodycount.net/[/url] -- That includes things such as suidice bombers, because they say if (in Jon Stewart's words) the coallision forces made up of the US and a crazy Australian with a bowie knife, weren't there the bombers also wouldn't be there, which I can agree with. These numbers are alarming, and guess what. It's a hell of a lot more civilians than we lost, and we wonder why they want us to go home![/QUOTE]

with the constant religious turmoil in iraq, it's hard to believe there wouldn't be any suicide bombings occuring occasionaly in iraq. there might not be as many suicide bombings, but to say there wouldn't be any at all if we weren't there is pretty much just wishful thinking. Plus there'd still be a multitude of iraqi supported suicide bombings in other countries if saddam hadn't been taken out of power. so blaming bush and the american people for what the fanatic suicide bombers r doing is kinda just political bs as is the misleading quote about the average iraqi citizens being killed. How in anyone's mind can one year of war(whether u were for it or against it), which unfortunately has innocent casualties, equal over a decade of a ruler and his sons torturing and killing thousands of his own people?

but yeah like That Guy said, all this arguing over the same things constantly is getting old quick.

Once again, That Guy is right.

Those that want to discuss this stuff ad nauseum go check out Bozzy's site
[url]http://www.unrulypolitics.com[/url]

alliances? try NATO, UN. yes i know U.S. supplies the majority of the sec. force, but if that makes them only listen to our president then it completely turns the UN into a front and defeats the purpose of a global forum. everyone's for "global democracy" as long as its dictated by the current US administration.

Dems grudingly supported the war after they were misled by this administration too. once it was revealed Iraq wasn't even a remote threat they had seen what Bush had done and turned against it.

and please stop right now. the last thing this war was about is iraqi lives. there are many other countries with much worse civil right situations, but Bush wouldnt even know how to spell them.

i dont know how people will blindly listen to this administration without QUESTIONING, even after its been PROVEN WRONG about the biggest issue of their entire administration. and then to push to relect four more years of this global incompetence and irresponsibility. how can that not even be beyond party lines?

That guy, I'm well aware Jon Stewart is a comedian (and hilarious in person) with a fake news show. It was put in to try to lighten the mood. A frail attempt at some comic relief.

Skinsfan, I understand that there would be quite a few suicide bombings anyways, but I doubt even close to the numbers we currently have. That's why I stated that I think the numbers are slightly inflated. However, if you go there it shows a list and how many people were maimed in each and every attack. Either way, it's a lot more than we lost in the WTC bombings. Yet no one seems to understand why they want us to leave them be.

the problem with pulling out now, its it'll in all likelyhood create an even worse power-vacuum, and create even greater anti-american sentiment... there's not really a clear win-win situation right now.

[quote]i dont know how people will blindly listen to this administration without QUESTIONING[/quote]

maybe you should listen then ;) If you think everyone nods and agrees with everything bush has done, you're wrong... the one thing i've mentioned repeatly though is that kerry's supported the same things bush has as far as foreign policy; promoting him as the answer to all of our problems, or thinking he'll be able to come in and magically fix everything (when it looks like at least the house will continue to have republican controll) isn't the ultimate solution...

if you don't want bush, VOTE FOR SOMEONE else, but don't think that insulting people is [b]EVER[/b] going to entice people to take your point of view seriously... we've had this same running arguement for months and nothings changed, no ones flipped, but there's been a bunch of name calling. I have no problem what anyone thinks, I'd just like to ask that its based on sound reasoning instead of reactionary furor...

Problem with voting is a democratic vote is the same as a vote for Al Sharpton in Virginia.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Problem with voting is a democratic vote is the same as a vote for Al Sharpton in Virginia.[/QUOTE]

what???

he's saying it'd be a waste, so why bother... but if everyone thought that way... clinton only got 25% of america to vote for him and won, that's sad. If nothing else, voting gives you a right to complain, and its better than doing nothing at all.

You could also trying interning and eventually going into politics, but public office really isn't for everyone...

I vote anyways, but a vote in Virginia is a waste. A lot of people I know vote for Nader so he can get funding from the gov't to campain.

the way these threads start hardly encourage much sound reasoning

About the swiftvets.com and all of those men saying kerry lied and the guy who treated him for his first purple heart....... well, not one of those guys ACTUALLY SERVED with Kerry in Vietnam. The guy who said he treated Kerry for the purple heart wound, his signature was not to be found on the paperwork and he was not even there. It's just right wing propaganda. Do your research kids...

Just keeping it light here folks.
[url]http://www.nagshead.net/2004election/kerryblabla.jpg[/url]

peace

heh, thats another actual funny one SBF.
good find.

[QUOTE=illdefined]heh, thats another actual funny one SBF.
good find.[/QUOTE]

My friend I am all about fun and funny stuff.
The election is serious but that don't mean there can't be a ton of funny stuff along with it.

I'm a BUSH fan and he cracks me up sometimes too.
lol

peace and GO SKINS!
mike

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan][url]http://www.nagshead.net/kerry/flush.jpg[/url]


But how do people really think?
lol

peace and....VOTE!!!!
mike[/QUOTE]

LOL!!!

[QUOTE=That Guy]and you think the dems aren't going to use that fear? or are they just going to make it magically disappear? ;)

the towers happened before iraq... and no major US civilian loses have occurred since then...

not trying to be a dick, sorry...[/QUOTE]
:iamwithst

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Just keeping it light here folks.
[url]http://www.nagshead.net/2004election/kerryblabla.jpg[/url]

peace[/QUOTE]
Keep them coming Sammy Baugh Fan, Your busting me up!! :rofl: I love the "Vote Weepublican!"one!!

:httr:

first, it appears the bush administration did little research on the culture of the iraqis. they have a code of honor, a tribal code where when their family is dishonored, they must regain their honor. that is why the country is divided in many areas. going in to bomb them was not wise, based on the fact that their culture dictates that when they are dishonored, they must regain it by retaliation. foolish.

Hey Matty (and everybody else for that matter), how bout we get rid of threads like this?

The season is about to start on Sunday and we've got better things to think about. We don't need to get back into this crap again. Atleast not right now.

woooah i entered that post after reading just the first page, now the whole topic has changed lol, my bad. just sed that cuz my professor here at VT was yellin at us about that lol

Cpayne - I'm using something that you've used time and time again. This is the off-topic forum. This is where we come to talk about things that don't relate to Redskins. This thread is one of them.