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Just a thought. We are going to be in Cap hell this year obviously so...how bout giving Stephan Heyer the job at RT and trade away Jon Jansen who is always getting injured to relieve some cap. A possible trade would consist of the Redskins trading him to the Bears for WR Benard Berrian and DE Mark Anderson. The trade would fullfill two needs of ours..a tall speedy receiver and a good pass rushing DE. It would also suit the Bears seeing as they need help on the OL. It would then give us some cap room relief. What do you guys think? just a thought

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how much cap room would trading jansen give us? from reading others posts about the rumor of releasing jansen it seems like it might not help much, i dont know the cap at all though. also i doubt jansen has much if any trade value coming off 2 major injuries in 3 years

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Bernard Berrian is a free agent.

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[quote=DiehardSkin88;410237]Bernard Berrian is a free agent.[/quote]
I dont know if he is that good, sure he hasn't had a good q-back ever, but i have been yet to see him prove himself.

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[quote=IggyG;410231]Just a thought. We are going to be in Cap hell this year obviously so...how bout giving Stephan Heyer the job at RT and trade away Jon Jansen who is always getting injured to relieve some cap. A possible trade would consist of the Redskins trading him to the Bears for WR Benard Berrian and DE Mark Anderson. The trade would fullfill two needs of ours..a tall speedy receiver and a good pass rushing DE. It would also suit the Bears seeing as they need help on the OL. It would then give us some cap room relief. What do you guys think? just a thought[/quote]
I think Jansen has absolutly no trade value, whats so ever. For us to trade Jansen we would have to give drafts picks and Jansen, for nothing in return. His cap value far, out ways his trade value.

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Well first of all we are not anywhere near cap hell.

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21505-no-cap-hell-for-us.html?highlight=salary[/url]

Second of all trading someone away does not give cap relief. Their bonuses still accelerated onto the current team's salary cap making more of a salary cap headache.

Third, as has been said, Berrian is a FA.

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Sick'em, FRPLG! (doesn't quite roll of the tongue very well, does it?)

Come on folks, do a little research before posting this kind of stuff. At least try to be a little knowledgeable.

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Sorry did not realize Berrian was a Free Agent. I'm not writing a column by merely a thread so therefor I didn't conduct much research on the topic. thank you

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berrian is not good at all. he is 6'1 and speedy but has no where near the talent level moss and randle el have.

i say no.

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I'm sick of hearing we are in cap trouble, when we're not. I think we should draft a big ass WR. To bad we couldn't see Mix in action at some point this season before we draft one though

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;410246]Well first of all we are not anywhere near cap hell.

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21505-no-cap-hell-for-us.html?highlight=salary[/url]

Second of all trading someone away does not give cap relief. Their bonuses still accelerated onto the current team's salary cap making more of a salary cap headache.

Third, as has been said, Berrian is a FA.[/QUOTE]

Fourth - we consistently have an inflated idea of what our players are worth. Jansen is just not worth much in a trade.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;410295]Fourth - we consistently have an inflated idea of what our players are worth. Jansen is just not worth much in a trade.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea what you're talking about, Joe. I know for a fact that Arizona would gladly trade us Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin for Jon Jansen. Heck, they would probably even throw in Levi Brown if we pushed them. And they'd be happy to do it!

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;410297]You have no idea what you're talking about, Joe.[B] I know for a fact[/B] that Arizona would gladly trade us Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin for Jon Jansen. Heck, they would probably even throw in Levi Brown if we pushed them. And they'd be happy to do it![/QUOTE]

Oh, I see - you heard it on the radio from Jay Glazer who heard it from Jimmy Johnson who heard it from Bram's farts.

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[quote=IggyG;410260]Sorry did not realize Berrian was a Free Agent. I'm not writing a column by merely a thread so therefor I didn't conduct much research on the topic. thank you[/quote]

Right but you could have searched and read some other threads and they would have helped in preventing this thread. It's ok we all do it though.

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Ignore the fact that Berrian is a free agent and Jansens cap answer. Why would they trade Berrian, and a solid DE for an older injury riddled Olineman?

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For those of you who believe that Jansen may not be worth much in a trade - - probably closer to true than false unless he does a new contract with his new team as part of the deal - - can you explain to me how playing Heyer makes the Redskins a better team?

Heyer was mediocre at the very best. He had help on most plays where the defense was expected to bring a big rush on the QB. Heyer MIGHT develop and become a journeyman some day - - or maybe you've already seen him at his best. He's not someone to build your future OL around.

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First of all, Jansen isn't "always getting injured." He had two fluke, severe injuries ending his '04 and '07 seasons. Aside from that he's only missed 1, that's right 1 start his entire career. And he never missed a game his at Michigan. That said, he turns 32 this year, and he's gonna have to restructure to stay a Redskin.

And there's no way the Bears would give up a legit #1 WR and a DE for a 32 year old lineman coming off a season ending injury.

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[quote=IggyG;410231]Just a thought. We are going to be in Cap hell this year obviously so...how bout giving Stephan Heyer the job at RT and trade away Jon Jansen who is always getting injured to relieve some cap. A possible trade would consist of the Redskins trading him to the Bears for WR Benard Berrian and DE Mark Anderson. The trade would fullfill two needs of ours..a tall speedy receiver and a good pass rushing DE. It would also suit the Bears seeing as they need help on the OL. It would then give us some cap room relief. What do you guys think? just a thought[/quote]

I'd do it only if dynasty mode was turned off and we only play 3 minute quarters.

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[QUOTE=IggyG;410260]Sorry did not realize Berrian was a Free Agent. I'm not writing a column by merely a thread so therefor I didn't conduct much research on the topic. thank you[/QUOTE]
No big deal. This forum in general is aimed at "Knowledgeable" discussion so when we get retread threads or misinformed threads we often probably come off as jumping down the throats of the posters. Ulitmately though we just like to set records straight and help people understand what is factual. Newbies I think get a little put off by us but we mean no harm(mostly). Stick around long enough and you'll know we love every thoughtful and honest poster.

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forget berrian...lets set our sights on Ocho Cinco..whats is it going to take to get him here?

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;410320]For those of you who believe that Jansen may not be worth much in a trade - - probably closer to true than false unless he does a new contract with his new team as part of the deal - - can you explain to me how playing Heyer makes the Redskins a better team?

[B]Heyer was mediocre at the very best. He had help on most plays where the defense was expected to bring a big rush on the QB. Heyer MIGHT develop and become a journeyman some day - - or maybe you've already seen him at his best. He's not someone to build your future OL around.[/B][/QUOTE]

THANK U! I have been amazed at how much faith people have put in a undrafted guy who showed why in Seattle less than a month ago. Honestly, I will be very worried if we go into the '08 season with JJ the starter and Heyer the backup. It's another recipe for disaster. We need to draft (preferably) a stud at tackle who can compete with JJ as the starter and meanwhile lock Heyer in a weightroom for, say, 12 to 18 months. Seeing that kid get lambasted every down by Kearney was damn hard to watch (and left a bad memory after watching Kearney get completely shut down by GB's right tackle).

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So you want to trade away our most veteran Redskin for very little cap relief. I think that it is safe to say that you just might be Vinny himself. DUMB IDEA!

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that is the craziest thing i have heard on this board in a long time. Jansen is NOT injury prone. He has had two freakish injury's which could happen to anyone at anytime. Other than that he isn't one of those guys that miss 4 or 5 games a season. He has been a rock on the right side missing only 1 game or so in his career. he has played injured when most would be sitting out. Torn calf muscle, broken thumbs, sprained knees, ankle sprains, the guy is a leader on the field and in the locker room. Bad move to get rid of him.

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Damn it's looking like a long offseason already.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;410361]THANK U! I have been amazed at how much faith people have put in a undrafted guy who showed why in Seattle less than a month ago. Honestly, I will be very worried if we go into the '08 season with JJ the starter and Heyer the backup. It's another recipe for disaster. We need to draft (preferably) a stud at tackle who can compete with JJ as the starter and meanwhile lock Heyer in a weightroom for, say, 12 to 18 months. Seeing that kid get lambasted every down by Kearney was damn hard to watch (and left a bad memory after watching Kearney get completely shut down by GB's right tackle).[/QUOTE]

Heyer played a hell of a lot better than Wade did all season, I know that's not saying a whole lot, but Wade looked terrible this year. I also think that Heyer will continue to develop and probably can become a pretty decent LT at some point. I think having be the third tackle would probably be the right call, though. I won't be upset if he wins the starting job going into next season.

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I wouldnt mind jansen getting traded, but our biggest need is a DE, a WR is second but if we draft LJ from USC we can think about a receiver.

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[quote=Tha Posse;410289]I'm sick of hearing we are in cap trouble, when we're not. I think we should draft a big ass WR. To bad we couldn't see Mix in action at some point this season before we draft one though[/quote]I hope Mix works with Campbell during the offseason. I really want to see what he can do. With his size, he would make an imposing slot receiver, allowing us to take better advantage of Randle El's speed outside. I too am in favor of drafting a big WR, just not in the 1st round.

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jansen has no trade value, the only way he will not be with the team is if he gets released.....i also would like a big reciever but only in the middle of the draft....i think we should see what mix can actually do, he has chemistry with JC, it cant be any less productive than our recievers were this season

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Ok, here is my trade. We trade Ladell Betts, Brandon Loydd, and our first round draft pick to the Detroit Lions for Roy Williams and their 2nd and 4th round picks. Could it happen and would it make sense? It does provide more cap relief than just releasing Loydd.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;410517]Ok, here is my trade. We trade Ladell Betts, Brandon Loydd, and our first round draft pick to the Detroit Lions for Roy Williams and their 2nd and 4th round picks. Could it happen and would it make sense? It does provide more cap relief than just releasing Loydd.[/quote]
i would do that if we were smart with those 2 2nd round picks......could get some great value without the high cost

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If JJ is alway hurt for the Skins why would the Bears want him and for 2 players no less? This is the typical fan trade, our trash for your treasure.

The Skins would be luck to unload JJ at all.

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T.O.Killa:

Right now, the Redskins would be fortunate to get a sack of breadcrumbs for Brandon Lloyd and his existing contract. He has no more trade value at the moment than Sonny Jurgensen does.

If the Redskins want Roy Williams from the Lions - forget about adding any of the Lions' draft picks - it will take lots more than a back-up RB and a WR who has produced nothing on the field and been a pain in the posterior off the field.

For example, the Lions need defensive help VERY badly. Would you trade Landry for Williams even up? That might be a deal that could actually happen if either side proposed it...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;410636]T.O.Killa:

Right now, the Redskins would be fortunate to get a sack of breadcrumbs for Brandon Lloyd and his existing contract. He has no more trade value at the moment than Sonny Jurgensen does.

If the Redskins want Roy Williams from the Lions - forget about adding any of the Lions' draft picks - it will take lots more than a back-up RB and a WR who has produced nothing on the field and been a pain in the posterior off the field.

For example, the Lions need defensive help VERY badly. Would you trade Landry for Williams even up? That might be a deal that could actually happen if either side proposed it...[/quote]
I know you think this is crazy, but I think I am on to something. They need a running game and we have a starter on the bench. Mabye, the picks dont make sense, but from another teams standpoint maybe Loydd is worth giving another chance. If he pans out they have killed two birds with one stone. I hear they want to move Williams.

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[QUOTE=IggyG;410231]Just a thought. We are going to be in Cap hell this year obviously so...how bout giving Stephan Heyer the job at RT and trade away Jon Jansen who is always getting injured to relieve some cap. A possible trade would consist of the Redskins trading him to the Bears for WR Benard Berrian and DE Mark Anderson. The trade would fullfill two needs of ours..a tall speedy receiver and a good pass rushing DE. It would also suit the Bears seeing as they need help on the OL. It would then give us some cap room relief. What do you guys think? just a thought[/QUOTE]

That trade is a pipe dream.

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[quote=IggyG;410231]Just a thought. We are going to be in Cap hell this year obviously so...how bout giving Stephan Heyer the job at RT and trade away Jon Jansen who is always getting injured to relieve some cap. A possible trade would consist of the Redskins trading him to the Bears for WR Benard Berrian and DE Mark Anderson. The trade would fullfill two needs of ours..a tall speedy receiver and a good pass rushing DE. It would also suit the Bears seeing as they need help on the OL. It would then give us some cap room relief. What do you guys think? just a thought[/quote]


What are you smoking?