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"Suisham was outstanding in his first full NFL season. His 29 field goals were the most by a Redskin in 15 years and his 29-for-35 accuracy was second in Washington history to Mark Moseley's 1982 NFL MVP season. Suisham was an uncanny eight-for-eight in windy Giants Stadium."

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/home.htm]Inside Slant - USATODAY.com[/url]

Occasionally we get a nice suprise :)

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Nice recognition for Suisham.

He had a good year. Give it up for him.

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Didn't quite realize how bad Randel El was on punt returns. He didn't look explosive, but those numbers are pitiful.

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Suisham has to, I repeat HAS TO, start making the routine kicks, well, routine. His uncanny ability to nail the tough ones, while missing the chip shots is maddening.

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[quote=cpayne5;410853]Suisham has to, I repeat HAS TO, start making the routine kicks, well, routine. His uncanny ability to nail the tough ones, while missing the chip shots is maddening.[/quote]

Can anyone compile his misses and see on average what distance they are?

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[quote=wilsowilso;410846]Didn't quite realize how bad Randel El was on punt returns. He didn't look explosive, but those numbers are pitiful.[/quote]ARE fair caught a lot of balls. I think teams were giving him the Hester treatment.

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ARE was also nicked up for a good part of the year.

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I have to give Suisham some love. I criticized him early in the year and said he would lose us a game at some point by missing 40+ yard field goal. While there was a game or two that one of his missed FG could have drastically changed the final moments of a game, no game was directly lost on one of his FG misses. So I was wrong. When I criticized him, however, I also said that he was the best kicker we have had for a while, that he was young, and that even if he cost us a game or two this year, he was still worth keeping around. So, in all, he exceeded at least my expectations for this year, and he deserves alot of credit. Heres to a consistent kicker that could possibly be here for quite awhile.

I do wish his kickoffs were a bit deeper though . . . . can a kicker improve their distance at this level, or is what you see what you get at this point? Id like to think that being young he may still have room for improvement, but I guess only time will tell.

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I also think our punt teams were not anywhere near as good as our kick teams. ARE never seemed to have a clear catch and run opportunity. He was always catching the ball and avoiding immediate tacklers. I can't think of a time when he just caught and ran a little and got tackled when he should have gotten more. I am sure it happened but not a lot.

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While we are on the subject of special teams...lets recognize our punter Derrick Frost. A great year for him. He was one of the best punters this season. Had a 41 yards per punt average...not bad. GO DERRICK FROST!

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[quote=IggyG;410931]While we are on the subject of special teams...lets recognize our punter Derrick Frost. A great year for him. He was one of the best punters this season. Had a 41 yards per punt average...not bad. GO DERRICK FROST![/quote]

Not bad? He was ranked 28th. If anything he was not good.

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People who criticize Suisham need to remember how bad our kicking situation has been for about 15 years. Well he's not as good as the best in the league he is clearly solidly in the second tier and improving.

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[quote=djnemo65;410944]People who criticize Suisham need to remember how bad our kicking situation has been for about 15 years. Well he's not as good as the best in the league he is clearly solidly in the second tier and improving.[/quote]

Suisham did pretty good. Ranked 13th, near the top of the middle of the pack. He got us something like 115 points. Not bad.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;410853]Suisham has to, I repeat HAS TO, start making the routine kicks, well, routine. His uncanny ability to nail the tough ones, while missing the chip shots is maddening.[/QUOTE]

Actually he was 10/10 from inside the 30 this year. He was 8-10 from 30-39 which well not amazing is not exactly terrible either - pretty middle of the pack. It was outside the 40 where he struggled a little more, making 11-15, including 1-2 from 50 plus.

So I don't think those numbers suggest a guy whose problem is making routine kicks.

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[quote=djnemo65;410944]People who criticize Suisham need to remember how bad our kicking situation has been for about 15 years. Well he's not as good as the best in the league he is clearly solidly in the second tier and improving.[/quote]

Exactly.

The people that want him gone are smoking crack IMO.

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[quote=djnemo65;410967]Actually he was 10/10 from inside the 30 this year. He was 8-10 from 30-39 which well not amazing is not exactly terrible either - pretty middle of the pack. It was outside the 40 where he struggled a little more, making 11-15, including 1-2 from 50 plus.

So I don't think those numbers suggest a guy whose problem is making routine kicks.[/quote]

The one in the Seattle game was more than 30? If so thanks for the stats. Seems like he did well.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;410989]The one in the Seattle game was more than 30? If so thanks for the stats. Seems like he did well.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, those were just regular season stats. They didn't include the playoffs. I think the miss in the Seattle game was from 30.

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well...in spite of and occasional miss, I feel somewhat vindicated for my proclamation below... :D

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well his freaking range is like 48 yards. he made a 50 or 52 yarder once but its a crime that a kickers range in the nfl is 48 yards. another thing just common knowledge tells you that the closer you get to you range the more you will miss so if he isnt consistantly making 40 some yarders then we are in trouble. gives us very little room for error.

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suisham did okay this year but he needs to get more consistent with the 45 yarders and in and get longer on the kickoffs. i think we need to bring in competition this pre-season, it doesnt hurt and might make suisham better in the process.

this has been said before, the better nfl kickers get more oppotunities 50 yards and out then suisham so comparing accuracy stats is alil skewed. anybody know how many 50 yd plus field goals attempts the better nfl kickers tried this year compared to shazaams 2?

go skins!

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Well if we have a chance to bring in a better kicker than Suisham I`m all for it but you guys are comparing him to people who play for other teams! Do you compare Jason Campbell to Peyton Manning or the alternative, which is probably Rex Grossman. That's not good enough. There are better kickers out there, they just aren't signed with us. Getting a good kicker is not so easy, as the last 15 years of our franchise prove.

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Obviously, it would have been great if he could have iced that kick. Still, I've never understood the hate (mostly from Cowboy fans?) for Suisham. He's turned out to be consistently decent, which, on a team in dire need of stability, ain't too shabby. I would like for him to get some distance on kickoffs (as mentioned above) or pick up a kick-off expert who could also step in if we needed a miracle 55 yarder.

[quote=Mattyk72;410984]Exactly.

The people that want him gone are smoking crack IMO.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article710911.ece"]Amy Winehouse wants him gone[/URL]?

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[quote=djnemo65;410967]Actually he was 10/10 from inside the 30 this year. He was 8-10 from 30-39 which well not amazing is not exactly terrible either - pretty middle of the pack. It was outside the 40 where he struggled a little more, making 11-15, including 1-2 from 50 plus.

So I don't think those numbers suggest a guy whose problem is making routine kicks.[/quote]

the problem is missing a 30 yard field goal in the playoffs...

up until that point, I was pleased with him, I'd be lying if i weren't concerned about his psyche.

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You can't judge a kicker on one kick. Even the great ones miss chip shots from time to time. Overall Suisham is pretty solid. Given the mess our kicking situation has been for years now we should be pleased with his performance this year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411152]You can't judge a kicker on one kick. Even the great ones miss chip shots from time to time. [B]Overall Suisham is pretty solid. Given the mess our kicking situation has been for years now we should be pleased with his performance this year[/B].[/quote]

You summed up my exact thoughts. Suisham is not great, but he's the best kicker we've had since Chip Lohmiller.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411152]You can't judge a kicker on one kick. Even the great ones miss chip shots from time to time. Overall Suisham is pretty solid. Given the mess our kicking situation has been for years now we should be pleased with his performance this year.[/quote]

agreed. i think you keep him- but i'd not be surprised to see tough competition in training camp.

apples and oranges (to a degree) i know- but didn't scott norwood go to the pro-bowl the year he missed "the kick?"

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I still don't understand this thinking that Suisham needs competition in camp.

He was 29/35 (29 FGs was tied for 5th best in the NFL) and was 14th in the NFL in scoring with 116 points.

And for that he needs to be challenged for his job??

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Adam Vinatieri was 23/29 on FG's this year, 6 misses like Suisham but in 6 fewer attempts as well. He also missed a 29 yarder to lose a game for the colts in week 11. He finished tied for 11th in points with 118, two more than Suisham's 116. I doubt most on here would say a guy like Vinatieri needed some competition in camp. Just some more perspective.

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i stand corrected, norwood did not make the pro-bowl in '91, in fact, he was pretty bad (63%) that year.

My thoughts on why I'd like to see a kicking competition (this may lack sense/merit):
As for Suisham, the need for competition arises anytime you have a kicker that misses a relatively "easy" clutch kick (just like when a closer in baseball blows a 3 run lead in the 9th, if your name ain't Rivera, you are likely going to get some heat). Had Suisham been attempting a 45+ yard field goal, I think people are more apt to give him the benefit of the doubt, but a 30 yard kick is supposed to be automatic (as is a 3 run lead). Because he is not a vet, and therefore has not been around long enough to demonstrate his mental ability to bounce back from a missed playoff kick, we have to be prepared for what could be a less reliable Suisham in 2008....

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[quote=hondakiller;411191][B]Adam Vinatieri was 23/29 on FG's this year, 6 misses like Suisham but in 6 fewer attempts as well. He also missed a 29 yarder to lose a game for the colts in week 11. He finished tied for 11th in points with 118, two more than Suisham's 116.[/B] I doubt most on here would say a guy like Vinatieri needed some competition in camp. Just some more perspective.[/quote]

Yep sounds like he needs some stiff competition. The old man is slacking off.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411174]I still don't understand this thinking that Suisham needs competition in camp.

He was 29/35 (29 FGs was tied for 5th best in the NFL) and was 14th in the NFL in scoring with 116 points.

And for that he needs to be challenged for his job??[/quote]We could use a guy who could kick the ball past the ten yard line on kickoffs.

And so could the Colts. They even play in a dome.

But if you isolate field goal kicking (which you aren't supposed to do unless your punter handles KO duties or you have a kickoff specialist), Suisham was as good as one could have wanted this season.

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I'll add something to the mix - Big Red. Albright had another fantastic year, noted by the fact that he received zero press coverage. It's a huge help to the entire special teams when you know that the ball is going to be in the right spot at the right time.