Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my!
 

From JLC:

"All of my reporting leads to this trio topping the coaching staff.

Jim Fassel is expected to be named head coach, and the hold up is negotiations with the Ravens regarding Rex Ryan. As I previously reported, contrary to other reports, the Ravens retain Ryan's coordinator rights and can block a lateral move. They appear to be doing that. The sides may reach an agreement, but Ravens ownership badly wants to keep Ryan, who the players love. Fassel and Ryan spoke as recently as last night sources said and Ryan interviewed with Snyder Sunday night, according to sources.

Zorn, as we were the first to report, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job. He is set to depart around 5:40 and if all goes well he would be the leading candidate to replace Al Saunders (with whatever fancy title they want to use).

Everyone is waiting to hammer the contract details out but barring a last second change of heart, disaster, whatever, this is how it's shaping up."

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That means all of the coaches are toast? .. and being replaced? ... Unbelievable!

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Snyder hasn't learned a thing ..... what a disaster.

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I wonder what in the heck is going threw Joes mind at this point? So much for continuity!

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POSTED 5:01 p.m. EST, January 23, 2008

'SKINS INTERVIEW ZORN

Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Redskins have interviewed Jim Zorn for the position of offensive coordinator.

That's presumably bad news for the team's current offensive coordinator, Don Breaux. And for the team's associate head coach-offense, Al Saunders.

The flirtation with Zorn is an apparent precursor to the hiring of Jim Fassel to be the franchise's 27th head coach (counting Joe Gibbs twice). And that's bad news for the team's current defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams.

Zorn currently is the quarterbacks coach in Seattle, where he has worked since 2001.

La Canfora also reports that the Redskins are trying to pry away defensive coordinator Rex Ryan from the Ravens. Despite reports that the Ravens fired their entire coaching staff, the Ravens still hold the rights to Ryan, and could block any attempt by Ryan to interview (or work) elsewhere in a position other than head coach. But, as a practical matter, the Redskins were able to interview Ryan for the position of defensive coordinator while ostensibly interviewing him for the position of head coach.

Assuming that Saunders and Williams are released by the Redskins, they'll certainly be in demand elsewhere.

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imagine that, an NFL team trying to keep someone that the organization and players love. that is a cool concept.

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DS: That thing i was saying a few days ago about continuity being important....yea, i didn't really mean it, just forget i even mentioned it.

Maybe Jim Fassel can call Dave Brown (the gmen x qb). Ya know, he was a good one. I believe he had a coach that is a "QB" guru.

I could have coached John Elway and he still would have been great despite me.

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if Gregg Williams leaves and goes to the Ravens, with all that talent, they are going to f*** are shit up when we play them.

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[quote=heybigstar;411540]if Gregg Williams leaves and goes to the Ravens, with all that talent, they are going to f*** are shit up when we play them.[/quote]
I just realized, the Ravens D is getting pretty old.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;411537]imagine that, an NFL team trying to keep someone that the organization and players love. that is a cool concept.[/QUOTE]

You talking about Rex Ryan? Why didn't they just name him head coach if they were so desperate to keep him?

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[quote=hesscl34;411530]That means all of the coaches are toast? .. and being replaced? ... Unbelievable![/quote]Typical Snyder. Just when you believe that he has learned the virtue of stability from Gibbs, Snyder is ready to blow everything up (yet again). We should rightfully be laughingstocks of the NFL if this comes to pass. Don't be surprised if we go back to paying top dollar for past their prime "former" superstars. What does Snyder care? It's all about marketing hype for him anyway. There's no juice in selling the status quo. At least we can return to being the undisputed "Champions of March". I think I'm gonna puke.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411546]You talking about Rex Ryan? Why didn't they just name him head coach if they were so desperate to keep him?[/QUOTE]

The man has a VERY VERY VERY VERY GOOD point - Sometimes in life people cannot or do not want the 'next step' in their career. Perhaps the Ryan's and Williams' of the the league do not make good HC's - it's not a BAD THING to run a Defense on an NFL team... hell, I'll take the gig if they don't want it!

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[quote=Campbell17;411545]I just realized, the Ravens D is getting pretty old.[/quote]

some of them. but they have enough young talent to be way ahead of where the skins D is -

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A lot of coaches were going to be leaving regardless...but y'all don't want to hear that anyway.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411551]A lot of coaches were going to be leaving regardless...but y'all don't want to hear that anyway.[/QUOTE]

All of the Gibb's boys who will drain the $$ I've put into the Social Security system would have left!

You're right - no one wants to hear that part...

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411551]A lot of coaches were going to be leaving regardless...but y'all don't want to hear that anyway.[/QUOTE]

Logic and common sense in the face of chaos and anarchy? Puh-leeze..

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Great! Along with all the existing problems, now we are going to have a staff and roster of players that resent the owner (assuming they didn't already). It's a real shame that Snyder didn't listen to the public endorsements of what seemed like almost everyone in the organization for Williams. What happened to "continuity"??????????

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Gibbs had no influence over Danny..

Danny's still an infantile, self-centered, egotistical, idiot jerk.....and no amount of class and integrity could change that.

With Gibbs I had all the hope in the world....even hope that Danny could learn that he doesn't know it all....I was wrong...way wrong.

Dan Snyder is an absolute bafoon.

What Snyder is probably saying,
"I've got a good idea....lets promote CERRATO....a guy that no one would hire to his current position.....then......lets blow up the coaching staff that stabilized our team the last 4 years.....the best team we've had since I took over.....and lets make sure we dump our offensive coordinator whos system takes 3 years to hit its stride....in year 2.

And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

What a great way to run a football team.

It only took a couple of weeks to completely destroy 4 years of Gibbs 2.
Snyder is the ANTI-GIBBS!

What an idiot.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;411556]Gibbs had no influence over Danny..

Danny's still an infantile, self-centered, egotistical, idiot jerk.....and no amount of class and integrity could change that.

With Gibbs I had all the hope in the world....even hope that Danny could learn that he doesn't know it all....I was wrong...way wrong.

Dan Snyder is an absolute bafoon.

What Snyder is probably saying,
"I've got a good idea....lets promote CERRATO....a guy that no one would hire to his current position.....then......lets blow up the coaching staff that stabilized our team the last 4 years.....the best team we've had since I took over.....and lets make sure we dump our offensive coordinator whos system takes 3 years to hit its stride....in year 2.

And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

What a great way to run a football team.

It only took a couple of weeks to completely destroy 4 years of Gibbs 2.
Snyder is the ANTI-GIBBS!

What an idiot.[/QUOTE]

I forget who our resident meteorologist is, but I think the forecast is 100% chance of the sky falling..

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There is a positive to a whole new coaching staff. The tragedy with Taylor this past year has been tough so putting it to rest might not be the worst idea.

That, I think, is the only upside to all of this change. I knew when Sean was lost that our team was headed for major change because Sean was the centerpiece of Gregg's defense. Gregg was building his defense around Taylor and to draft/sign someone to replace him would have been regressive.

Although I don't want to see it go maybe it's for the best.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;411561]I forget who our resident meteorologist is, but I think the forecast is 100% chance of the sky falling..[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;411567]Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?[/QUOTE]

Where are you right?

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[quote=skinsnut;411556]Gibbs had no influence over Danny..

Danny's still an infantile, self-centered, egotistical, idiot jerk.....and no amount of class and integrity could change that.

With Gibbs I had all the hope in the world....even hope that Danny could learn that he doesn't know it all....I was wrong...way wrong.

Dan Snyder is an absolute bafoon.

What Snyder is probably saying,
"I've got a good idea....lets promote CERRATO....a guy that no one would hire to his current position.....then......lets blow up the coaching staff that stabilized our team the last 4 years.....the best team we've had since I took over.....and lets make sure we dump our offensive coordinator whos system takes 3 years to hit its stride....in year 2.

And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

What a great way to run a football team.

It only took a couple of weeks to completely destroy 4 years of Gibbs 2.
Snyder is the ANTI-GIBBS!

What an idiot.[/quote]

classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.

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I was in line for season tickets this year...think i'll pass

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[quote=Mattyk72;411574]classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.[/quote]I hate to disagree but it's not a knee jerk reaction to acknowledge Snyder's instability on this franchise. The man's record speaks for itself. I will always be a Redskins fan, but let's be honest, since the Cardinals moved to the NFC West, Dan Snyder has been the Bill Bidwill of the NFC East, only with deeper pockets.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;411574]classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE]

I am glad to serve your purpose so you can make your point.
But my knee has been up for about a decade.
Snyder is an idiot and cant even learn from the master.

And please don't question my integrity as a fan...you can tell I care...fans that don't care don't get this pissed.
I will always wear my burgandy and gold on my sleeve, regardless of who is our owner.

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The only thing I am worried about right now is giving some ridiculously high draft pick to get an assistant coach who might not stick around for very long. Everything else looks very reasonable now that I've thought about it. Williams and Cerrato don't get along so that just wasn't going to work. They are not bringing in some flashy college coach or a flavor of the month 34 year old coordinator. They are bringing in a General with some quality experience. It could work out just fine.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;411574]classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE]

Ok how do you take this news then?

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Why do we need all these new coaches guys I just don't f 'ing get it, I really don't. We have one of the best defenses under Greg and why change any of it?????????

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I'm going to find a silver lining in all of this because what is going to be, is going to be. Results will be what I'm looking for from whoever heads the new regime.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;411591]I am glad to serve your purpose so you can make your point.
But my knee has been up for about a decade.
Snyder is an idiot and cant even learn from the master.

And please don't question my integrity as a fan...you can tell I care...fans that don't care don't get this pissed.
I will always wear my burgandy and gold on my sleeve, regardless of who is our owner.[/QUOTE]

Oh and now comes the "if you're not pissed, you don't care" argument. My favorite

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411598]Oh and now comes the "if you're not pissed, you don't care" argument. My favorite[/QUOTE]

Smootsmack,
I respect you...but lets put down the antagonistic remarks.
I expressed my opinion and you mock me.
That is not what a high quality site like this is about.

I just think Snyder is royally screwing up again and I'm sick of it.

If you state an opinion, I respect it and don't ridicule it.
Please pay me the same respect.

We are Redskin Brothers, you know....even if we disagree.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411574]classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.[/quote]

Maybe, Maybe not. He does make some good points toward Danny boy being the same ole Danny boy.

Since it appears from the few posts I've noticed. You MODS seem to be behind Snyder and these moves. Do you think it's a good idea to wipe out an entire coaching staff & and bring in this HC thats being mentioned & his guys?

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If this so and the players refuse to take change in pay the over cap would be what if released as dead cap and they went to play for williams and saunders at there next job after they sit out a year and rest up


Bring back vinny's boys of Saunders, Smith and Carrier for another try

The Mafia does not hire retreads like Vinny
Now I know why
=skinsfan_nn;411536]I wonder what in the heck is going threw Joes mind at this point? So much for continuity!

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POSTED 5:01 p.m. EST, January 23, 2008

'SKINS INTERVIEW ZORN

Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Redskins have interviewed Jim Zorn for the position of offensive coordinator.

That's presumably bad news for the team's current offensive coordinator, Don Breaux. And for the team's associate head coach-offense, Al Saunders.

The flirtation with Zorn is an apparent precursor to the hiring of Jim Fassel to be the franchise's 27th head coach (counting Joe Gibbs twice). And that's bad news for the team's current defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams.

Zorn currently is the quarterbacks coach in Seattle, where he has worked since 2001.

La Canfora also reports that the Redskins are trying to pry away defensive coordinator Rex Ryan from the Ravens. Despite reports that the Ravens fired their entire coaching staff, the Ravens still hold the rights to Ryan, and could block any attempt by Ryan to interview (or work) elsewhere in a position other than head coach. But, as a practical matter, the Redskins were able to interview Ryan for the position of defensive coordinator while ostensibly interviewing him for the position of head coach.

Assuming that Saunders and Williams are released by the Redskins, they'll certainly be in demand elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;411567]Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?[/QUOTE]

Sorry about the "fancy-pants" comment....just 10 years of Snyder build up...I wonder if windex will remove that?

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I think as a die hard Redskin fan we are tired of seeing this organization in constant flux. When we get something going and make the playoffs the organization seems to feel the need to make changes, then its another 2 years of addapting to those changes. Happened in 2000 after the 99 playoffs, happened in 2006 after the 05 appearance, and seems to be happening again after this seasons playoff birth. We always take a step or two forward, going in the right direction, then WHAM, we take 5 steps back. I believe the majority of the negative reactions are to that aspect more than it is about Fassell. It seems like we shoot ourselves in the foot everytime we see progression. Whether GW was the right choice or not, who knows, but for the sake of keeping a good thing together for the players on and off the field it would make sense to hire GW as the head coach. The players love this guy, Gibbs (PRIVATELY) endorsed him as head coach, he has shown loyalty to the organization and to his players. Even the offensive players (Randel El, Moss, Portis) have expressed their desire for him to remain as coach. We always seem to mess up team chemistry when its at its strongest. 99 we had a good character team, then came in all the high priced premadonas, 05 great chemistry then came in a few guys, didn't do alot of damage to the chemistry, but adding a new offense after they finished 11th? Now getting rid of the same offense that picked up speed at the end of the year, and takes 3 years to be productive.

Look,half way through the season next year we may be praising this move, but right now its kind of hard to say they missed the target big time on this one.

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I must say....this is one of the best thread titles I have seen....

especially since our dreams depend on the wizard (who we all know is some washed up leader behind a curtain)

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Watch Snyder trade draft picks for Ryan.

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Just to inject a little perspective in this sob-fest, Ryan and Zorn are high quality and highly sought after coaches. :soapbox:

Zorn has been the QB coach for Seattle since 2001 and has a great track record there with Hasselback. Seattle has been ranked 2, 13, and 9 in overall offense in the last 3 years, much better than the skins on average.

Ryan is loved by his players and has lead the Ravens to defensive rankings of 5, 1, and 5 over the last 3 years, also better than the almighty GW over that period.

Fassel is a WINNING coach, who has playoff experience and has lead a team to the Superbowl...how many coaches out there now have that resume other than Cowher, who isn't coming to town?

Now, do I believe this is the best coaching staff ever assembled, admittedly no, but it sure could be worse. I will prefer to focus on the positives here until proven otherwise. I suggest for your own sanity, you do the same.:)

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;411536]I wonder what in the heck is going threw Joes mind at this point? So much for continuity!

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POSTED 5:01 p.m. EST, January 23, 2008

'SKINS INTERVIEW ZORN

Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Redskins have interviewed Jim Zorn for the position of offensive coordinator.

That's presumably bad news for the team's current offensive coordinator, Don Breaux. And for the team's associate head coach-offense, Al Saunders.

The flirtation with Zorn is an apparent precursor to the hiring of Jim Fassel to be the franchise's 27th head coach (counting Joe Gibbs twice). And that's bad news for the team's current defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams.

Zorn currently is the quarterbacks coach in Seattle, where he has worked since 2001.

La Canfora also reports that the Redskins are trying to pry away defensive coordinator Rex Ryan from the Ravens. Despite reports that the Ravens fired their entire coaching staff, the Ravens still hold the rights to Ryan, and could block any attempt by Ryan to interview (or work) elsewhere in a position other than head coach. But, as a practical matter, the Redskins were able to interview Ryan for the position of defensive coordinator while ostensibly interviewing him for the position of head coach.

Assuming that Saunders and Williams are released by the Redskins, they'll certainly be in demand elsewhere.[/quote]

this is a mess............though I love getting rex ryan in here because he can compete with the pats offense......

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I'll admit, I like the Zorn idea. A lot. He's spent the last 6-7 seasons helping develop Hasselbeck into one of the best QBs in the league. And I don't think anyone will argue that Campbell has more physical talent than Hasselbeck. Sucks that JC is gonna have to learn yet another new offense, but oh well.

My main concern offensively is time frame. How long will it take for this offense to catch? Steve Young always says it takes 2 years to really learn a west coast offense. We've just spent two years waiting for JC to catch on to Saunders.