My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

OK here goes... It just hit me...

I think Joe Gibbs retiring threw Dan Snyder for a real loop. He did NOT see it coming and thought he could talk him out of it. I also think that everyone has understood that Bill Cowher is Dan's number ONE choice. He thought it'd work out jus tright that Gibbs' contract would run out right when Cowher is ready to come back. Well, since he isn't coming back this year...

Obviously, Cowher will want to assemble his own complete staff, so...

Dan hires an OC who will be OK with leaving after one year (Zorn would go back to Seattle to be Mora's OC) and he knew that Gregg would only stay if given the head job (and he doesn't want Gregg to have the job because he wouldn't be OK with being HC for just one year), so he goes with Blache at DC, who he figures would be easy to send off after this year as well when Cowher will bring in his own.

OK, go ahead give me a hard time about adding another "theory" ... but I think that's why this OC & DC before hiring HC, because whoever ends up HC is just going to keep it warm for a year.... Thoughts?

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

If true the Skins fans need to riot and kill Snyder. Thats saying hey lets waste 2008 and a chance at a Lombardi for a Head Coach who has won 1 in like 15 years. Just because he has a chin doesnt mean he will win SBs hell Joe Gibbs won 3 and he couldnt win another in his comeback and he fought his guts out. If Snyder wants Cowher next year then he should of kept Saunders on offense and promoted Gregg Williams to HC. Then the Skins can build on last season and if we fall apart then its Cowher Power time instead of making Campbell learn Zorns system only to can him and learn what ever system Cowher will use with whatever OC he would bring in. If Snyder brings in new coaches to can them a year later Jason Campbell will be finished and it would make Snyder look like a complete and utter retard.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=The Gremlin;413348]If true the Skins fans need to riot and kill Snyder. Thats saying hey lets waste 2008 and a chance at a Lombardi for a Head Coach who has won 1 in like 15 years. Just because he has a chin doesnt mean he will win SBs hell Joe Gibbs won 3 and he couldnt win another in his comeback and he fought his guts out. If Snyder wants Cowher next year then he should of kept Saunders on offense and promoted Gregg Williams to HC. Then the Skins can build on last season and if we fall apart then its Cowher Power time instead of making Campbell learn Zorns system only to can him and learn what ever system Cowher will use with whatever OC he would bring in. If Snyder brings in new coaches to can them a year later Jason Campbell will be finished and it would make Snyder look like a complete and utter retard.[/QUOTE]

I understand the overall frustration with wasting a year until Cowher comes along, but the kill Snyder comment is out of line.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

lets just give jason campbell a new OC every year

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

we should kill synder he is stupid little rich midget

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

Then why not keep Williams and the fire him if he had a bad year? I think your theory is wrong.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

I think the OC before HC moves bodes well for GW getting the nod. He could have easily already given Snyder his input on this hire.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=redskinsX89;413363]we should kill synder he is stupid little rich midget[/QUOTE]

All of you with your "kill this person and that person" need to stop right now. Emotions are running high, I get that. But let's be rational

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=SmootSmack;413351]I understand the overall frustration with wasting a year until Cowher comes along, but the kill Snyder comment is out of line.[/quote]

Whatever, who here would actually take that literally?

I personally agree with most of what Gremlin said there, yes perhaps killing DS is a bit severe, but certainly boycotting would not be far-fetched in that scenario.

And WaldSkins you are right on. It worked for him in college right? Lets at least keep cycling guys through until something works.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=redskinsX89;413363]we should kill synder he is stupid little rich midget[/quote]


Okay, that is definitely out of line, and very offensive. Take a time out. Thats how people your age are punished right?

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=81forHOF;413370]I think the OC before HC moves bodes well for GW getting the nod. He could have easily already given Snyder his input on this hire.[/quote]

Do you have your head stuck in the sand?

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

To be honest I cannot understand the complete and absolute facination with Bill Cower. All the hiring of Bill Cower would do is open up that pandora's box of high expectations in hopes of buying a SB victory, a theory simular to the return of Joe Gibbs.

I would like to see a young, creative and inovative coach with the potential for staying power to develop this team into a consistent winner. I'm a firm believer in the the old saying "you have to crawl before you walk". It should be the ultimate goal of every team to get too, and win the SB, but there's a process needed to be utilized in order to accomplish that goal, being short on patience and basic structure will not get it done. No ore short cuts and quick fixes as substitutes for long term stability.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;413380]To be honest I cannot understand the complete and absolute facination with Bill Cower. All the hiring of Bill Cower would do is open up that pandora's box of high expectations in hopes of buying a SB victory, a theory simular to the return of Joe Gibbs.

I would like to see a young, creative and inovative coach with the potential for staying power to develop this team into a consistent winner. I'm a firm believer in the the old saying "you have to crawl before you walk". It should be the ultimate goal of every team to get too, and win the SB, but there's a process needed to be utilized in order to accomplish that goal, being short on patience and basic structure will not get it done. No ore short cuts and quick fixes as substitutes for long term stability.[/QUOTE]

Very well said

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=Longtimefan;413380]To be honest I cannot understand the complete and absolute facination with Bill Cower. All the hiring of Bill Cower would do is open up that pandora's box of high expectations in hopes of buying a SB victory, a theory simular to the return of Joe Gibbs.

I would like to see a young, creative and inovative coach with the potential for staying power to develop this team into a consistent winner. I'm a firm believer in the the old saying "you have to crawl before you walk". It should be the ultimate goal of every team to get too, and win the SB, but there's a process needed to be utilized in order to accomplish that goal, being short on patience and basic structure will not get it done. No ore short cuts and quick fixes as substitutes for long term stability.[/quote]

Agreed, and from my perspective that seems to be the direction we are going. Which is refreshing. Who knows what is really going on in that egomaniacs head though?

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

This wonderful theory could be true but Zorn was hired for 3 yrs which means we will be paying him after next year unless he decides to skip back to Seatle.(resign).

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;413366]Then why not keep Williams and the fire him if he had a bad year? I think your theory is wrong.[/QUOTE]

Because Gregg Williams had said when he signed his contract as DC that he wanted a guarantee to be HC when Gibbs left... I do't think he was going to stay as just DC for a some new HC.

Also... Snyder wouldn't go with him as HC, because if we have a good season under him, how would he explain firing him after one successful season for Cowher?

and I should say... I don't like any of this theory personally... if we wanted to go "young" and "fresh", then Snyder would have waited to go hard after McDaniels from the Patriots for OC and Spagnulo from the Giants for DC. Zorn and Blache are not young, fresh guys. I truly think that there is a fairly decent possibility that Cowher will be courted after this year...

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;413463]Because Gregg Williams had said when he signed his contract as DC that he wanted a guarantee to be HC when Gibbs left... I do't think he was going to stay as just DC for a some new HC.

Also... Snyder wouldn't go with him as HC, because if we have a good season under him, how would he explain firing him after one successful season for Cowher?

and I should say... I don't like any of this theory personally... if we wanted to go "young" and "fresh",[B] then Snyder would have waited to go hard after McDaniels from the Patriots for OC and Spagnulo from the Giants for DC.[/B] Zorn and Blache are not young, fresh guys. I truly think that there is a fairly decent possibility that Cowher will be courted after this year...[/quote]

Oh yeah? They would have gone after two coordintors of the two best teams for a lateral movement? And the Giants/Pats would have let them?

Why are we waiting until after the SuperBowl to hire a HC, could we be considering one of these guys perhaps? And if we are, is this not a youth movement? And would Snyder plausibly give up on the "youngster" after just one year?

My point: There are alot of holes in your argument. Anything could happen of course, including Cowher next year (though I doubt it), but the reasons you've used to argue make no sense.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

I don't remember Williams ever saying he wanted a gaurantee he'd be named HC

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

I remember something to that effect, hense the rumor of the stipulation in his contract. But I couldn't say for sure.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=WillH;413501]Oh yeah? They would have gone after two coordintors of the two best teams for a lateral movement? And the Giants/Pats would have let them?

Why are we waiting until after the SuperBowl to hire a HC, could we be considering one of these guys perhaps? And if we are, is this not a youth movement? And would Snyder plausibly give up on the "youngster" after just one year?

My point: There are alot of holes in your argument. Anything could happen of course, including Cowher next year (though I doubt it), but the reasons you've used to argue make no sense.[/QUOTE]

First...

Let me explain what I meant was that I don't see what's going on a "youth" or "fresh" movement... After posting it, I realized that those 2 wouldn't take lateral movements anyway, but I was just trying to get at the fact that I don't think the idea right now is "long term" ... I think there is a strong possibility that the idea is what do we do with 2008 until Cowher is available?

and Second... More than one reputable source said that there was a guarantee in GW's contract... although now, 3 years later, for the first time someone said that wasn't true.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;413520]and Second... More than one reputable source said that there was a guarantee in GW's contract... although now, 3 years later, for the first time someone said that wasn't true.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying there was a guarantee and suddenly it went away? You're saying that Williams had a guarantee to be named coach as soon as Gibbs stepped down?

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

I'm just saying that that is what I remember hearing when he first was signed and heard it throughout his time here.... no one ever disputed it until this passed week.

I don't know if there was one or not, I just always heard ... from articles... that this was the case.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

Just wanted to add some fresh information that adds to my suspicion that 2008 is a stop-gap to Cowher for Dan Snyder.

When reporters first spoke about Jim Zorn, I read this...
"After flying to Washington and interviewing with owner Daniel Snyder at his home, Zorn was expected to talk last night with Seahawks officials, who want to keep him on their staff. The Seahawks could promise to give him their offensive coordinator job when Coach Mike Holmgren retires, possibly after next season. That might be enough to persuade Zorn, a former Seahawks quarterback and a legendary figure in the city, to join fellow Seattle assistant Jim Mora in withdrawing his name from Redskins consideration."

And now I read this about Blache tonight...
"Blache this season repeatedly told colleagues he had no interest in another promotion and that he didn't plan to coach much longer, sources said, but owner Dan Snyder persuaded Blache to take on more responsibility."

This is where my theory starts... these two quotes... eventhough I had not heard this about Blache before...

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;413597]Just wanted to add some fresh information that adds to my suspicion that 2008 is a stop-gap to Cowher for Dan Snyder.

When reporters first spoke about Jim Zorn, I read this...
"After flying to Washington and interviewing with owner Daniel Snyder at his home, Zorn was expected to talk last night with Seahawks officials, who want to keep him on their staff. The Seahawks could promise to give him their offensive coordinator job when Coach Mike Holmgren retires, possibly after next season. That might be enough to persuade Zorn, a former Seahawks quarterback and a legendary figure in the city, to join fellow Seattle assistant Jim Mora in withdrawing his name from Redskins consideration."

And now I read this about Blache tonight...
"Blache this season repeatedly told colleagues he had no interest in another promotion and that he didn't plan to coach much longer, sources said, but owner Dan Snyder persuaded Blache to take on more responsibility."

This is where my theory starts... these two quotes... eventhough I had not heard this about Blache before...[/QUOTE]

The Zorn information isn't new. And as we now know, he wasn't promised the OC job in Seattle which is why he took the Redskins job.

I think you're really reaching here.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

and Blache? that info isn't new and interesting to you?

I know the Zorn quote is 3 days old, my point was to show the part about him being the OC there when Holmgren leaves because he has such strong ties to Seattle and is a legend there.


anyway... it will all pan out in the end... we won't know for a year, I just can see this being a possibility is all I have said.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;413609]and Blache? that info isn't new and interesting to you?

I know the Zorn quote is 3 days old, my point was to show the part about him being the OC there when Holmgren leaves because he has such strong ties to Seattle and is a legend there.[/QUOTE]

The part about Blache not wanting to coach much longer? No, it's not new to me. And I agree that I was a bit surprised he was named to replace Williams today but I don't assume that to mean he's a stopgap.

I still don't get your Zorn point

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=redskinsX89;413363]we should kill synder he is stupid little rich midget[/quote]


I'm at 100 posts :woot::point:... anyways I think you taking it a little too far I don't think we should kill any one but that's just me :smashfrea

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;413529]So you're saying there was a guarantee and suddenly it went away? You're saying that Williams had a guarantee to be named coach as soon as Gibbs stepped down?[/QUOTE]

I think there was a verbal one with Snyder and Gibbs. I also believe that Williams cameback instead of taking Head Coaching jobs because of this verbal agreement and he wanted to help Gibbs bring a title back to DC. The problem is Gregg thought with Gibbs backing on this that Snyder would hold true and hire Gregg as head coach. I believe Snyder went back on his word. This might not be true but this is my take from everything we have heard since the "Gregg Williams leaving" rumors started after the 2004 season.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=redskinsX89;413363]we should kill synder he is stupid little rich midget[/QUOTE]

is it that serious? Snyder in my eyes will keep us competitive in the years to come..he's not overbearing like davis or jones but he knows what he wants and will do anything...pay anything to get it

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;413609]and Blache? that info isn't new and interesting to you?

I know the Zorn quote is 3 days old, my point was to show the part about him being the OC there when Holmgren leaves because he has such strong ties to Seattle and is a legend there.


anyway... it will all pan out in the end... we won't know for a year, I just can see this being a possibility is all I have said.[/quote]

It may be possibe, but it is in no way probable. I just very highly doubt Snyder could get everyone to go along with this. . . and in your line of reasoning Zorn and Blache would have to be in on it right? You may argue that enough money can mak people do anything, but I very much doubt as honorable a man as Joe Gibbs would sit by idly and watch this happen without informing the public, let alone participate in it. This move woud be devastating to the franchise, and there is just no way Gibbs would help sink the Redskins.

You are obviously not alone in this line of reasoning, but I just can't imagine even Snyder could be dumb enough to make that move.

Anyways, for those that by this, who would be the ideal interim candidate? I guess it would have to be someone that would both appease Redskins fans, but would be sure to fail. Where do you find such a guy? Certainly not on one of the SuperBowl teams. This is just another conspiracy theory. At this rate Im expecting some crackpot theory that Snyder had a hand in ST death (God rest his soul).

Snyder may be a dick, and he may have a history as a shitty owner; but he is not the devil, he is not conspiring to fake this season in prep for cowher, he is not dragging this thing out for his ego, or to make money, or anything else. Is it not just as likely ( and IMO more so ) that he is legitimately trying to find the best HC option?

Maybe in the end he will be impatient if the next HC doesn't succeed this season and he brings Cowher in, and maybe in that scenario he had that option in the back of the mind the whole time (I wouldnt put it past the slimy bastard), but there is just no way he could plan this all out and carry it out.

If you are right the man is a diabolical genious, in the mold of Hitler (not for the severity of his actions of course, just for his ability to manipulate people for his evil plans). I just very much doubt it.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[quote=The Gremlin;413348]If true the Skins fans need to riot and kill Snyder. Thats saying hey lets waste 2008 and a chance at a Lombardi for a Head Coach who has won 1 in like 15 years. Just because he has a chin doesnt mean he will win SBs hell Joe Gibbs won 3 and he couldnt win another in his comeback and he fought his guts out. If Snyder wants Cowher next year then he should of kept Saunders on offense and promoted Gregg Williams to HC. Then the Skins can build on last season and if we fall apart then its Cowher Power time instead of making Campbell learn Zorns system only to can him and learn what ever system Cowher will use with whatever OC he would bring in. If Snyder brings in new coaches to can them a year later Jason Campbell will be finished and it would make Snyder look like a complete and utter retard.[/quote]

I say we hang him... and then we kill him!

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=The Gremlin;413348]If true the Skins fans need to riot and kill Snyder. Thats saying hey lets waste 2008 and a chance at a Lombardi for a Head Coach who has won 1 in like 15 years. Just because he has a chin doesnt mean he will win SBs hell Joe Gibbs won 3 and he couldnt win another in his comeback and he fought his guts out. If Snyder wants Cowher next year then he should of kept Saunders on offense and promoted Gregg Williams to HC. Then the Skins can build on last season and if we fall apart then its Cowher Power time instead of making Campbell learn Zorns system only to can him and learn what ever system Cowher will use with whatever OC he would bring in. If Snyder brings in new coaches to can them a year later Jason Campbell will be finished and it would make Snyder look like a complete and utter retard.[/QUOTE]

I want to know which jackass just gave me neg rep for this post. It was a damn joke. I wasnt serious. All the stuff that is said about Snyder and I make a joke about rioting and someone wants to give neg rep for that? SOme of you people need to grow some thicker Skin. Thats real childish. My post has alot of points mixed in with a upset feeling over the direction over the team. I guess someone thought I was really going to kill Snyder. What a joke.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=From a Retard who keeps giving neg rep]
01-27-2008 03:39 AM "kill snyder" you think that's a joke? [/QUOTE]

Yes I cant wait til the day he dies then there will be joy in the streets and a winning team on the field. Hopefully its today. :thumb:

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

Just shut up!

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=Giantone;413660]Just shut up![/QUOTE] enjoy your Super Bowl run Giant fan!!! But this is a family matter not a matter for you so go F your self!!!

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;413371]All of you with your "kill this person and that person" need to stop right now. Emotions are running high, I get that. But let's be rational[/QUOTE]



They need to realize comments like this could land them in court if the person they are referring to feels threatened.

Re: My New "It All Makes Sense" Theory
 

Instant bans are being handed out for people who post any sort of threats on here. I don't care if you are joking or not.