Washington City Paper article on "The Redskins official fan message board"
 

I found the responses to be rather humorous...

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[quote=Dave McKenna]
Chairman of the Bored
Posted by Dave McKenna on Feb. 5, 2008, at 3:18 pm

The Redskins official fan message board, extremeskins.com, has been a very fun read lately. Folks who hate everything Dan Snyder has done since Joe Gibbs fled are battling it out with folks who love everything done by the owner of the team, who happens to also be the owner of the board.

But not everybody’s enjoying the banter. I got an email over the weekend from an “Eric Smith,” a longtime extremeskins member who as of Saturday was banned from Snyder’s message board while defending, sort of, a City Paper story I wrote about the owner and his Redskins employees shared ties to investments in Six Flags, the amusement park chain.

Specifically, Smith, while posting as “Shadowplay,” was kicked off Snyder’s site after insulting one of his and my insulters, a veteran moderator named Gary Mark Steven.

The beginning of the end of Smith’s extremeskins membership came when Steven, who posts as “Om,” had followed up one of Smith’s posts in the thread about the City Paper column with some snark: “Yawn. Meet Dave McKenna’s target audience,” Steven posted.

Smith met Steven’s snarkiness and raised him: “Yawn. Meet Daniel Snyder’s pool cleaner,” Smith rebutted.

A chuckler of a comeback, I’d say.

Alas, Smith’s walking papers from Snyder’s site came quickly after that was posted. Steven emailed Smith to say he had been booted off “indefinitely.”

Steven, who in my recent email exchanges with him seems to be as whiny and humorless away from the message board as he is on it, is currently the most powerful moderator at extremeskins - his avatar caption describes him as “The President” of the site. He also freelances puff pieces for Snyder’s main website, Redskins.com. Steven gets access to the press box for Skins games and to team hotels on the road through the team.

Yet, far as I can tell, Steven, who inserts smiley faces into his message-board posts at a creepy rate for a 47-year-old guy (if his bio information on the site is to be believed), has never fully disclosed to extremeskins members the extent of the privileges granted him by the team for his attacks on critics of Skins management, let alone his apparent status as an employee of Snyder’s.

Even without the most basic disclosure, the uptick in insults members of the message board are now throwing Steven’s way makes it seem like posters have sniffed out his conflicts of interest just from his attack-dog act.

Smith, for one. In his email to me, Smith said he called Steven “Snyder’s pool cleaner” out of frustration with “the Snyder yes men who run the message board and effectively control the message if it’s critical of the owner” and “the system of intimidation and bullying that the extremeskins staff uses to keep the dissension to a minimum.”

Asked to respond to Smith’s charges about Snyder’s site and questions about the degree of his employment by the Redskins, Steven said via email that after reading my City Paper stories he regards me as being “completely unbound by any sense of objectivity, accountability or even a passing sense of honor” and declined.

Steven must really dislike me. His email didn’t include a single smiley face.[/quote]

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Man, I bet Matty wishes he could be in the box during the home and away games!

At least Matty's not a D-bag like that tool over at Extremeskins. Thats what I like about the WP. We can bash whoever and say pretty much whatever (so long as it's not completely asinine) and not get banned.

But I guess when you're all over Snyder's junk like the mods there (and when he's shoveling Redskins goodies at you), you don't really have a choice but to just be a spineless pool of jello.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;418334]Man, I bet Matty wishes he could be in the box during the home and away games!

At least Matty's not a D-bag like that tool over at Extremeskins. Thats what I like about the WP. We can bash whoever and say pretty much whatever (so long as it's not completely asinine) and not get banned.

But I guess when you're all over Snyder's junk like the mods there (and when he's shoveling Redskins goodies at you), you don't really have a choice but to just be a spineless pool of jello.[/quote]


Yeah Bash WHOEVER WE WANT SO D Rave SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]

Creepy Enough!

Re: Washington City Paper article on "The Redskins official fan message board"
 

I can't believe the City Paper wrote an article about ES banning a member.

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I thought the pool cleaner line was great

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[quote=djnemo65;418350]I thought the pool cleaner line was great[/quote]


You have to admit is was pretty good.:headbange

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From what I've read of McKenna in the past, he definately has his own agenda when it comes to ES. This isn't the first time he's tried to pick a fight. The fact that he actually spends time writing such articles shows his ineptness as being taken as a serious journalist.

I'm not an ES apologist, but I do take issue with him calling out Om. McKenna's opinions about Om are baseless and without merit. There's good and bad things about ES. The idea that the mods are all yes men is far from the truth. The tirades from a lot of members over there, as of late, have been pretty hardcore and I've noticed no one has been banned because of it. It's the manner in which those opinions are expressed that the mods take issue with. Every board has rules. People are given ample warnings and when you don't follow the rules, you get banned. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

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[quote=Lady Brave;418358]From what I've read of McKenna in the past, he definately has his own agenda when it comes to ES. This isn't the first time he's tried to pick a fight. The fact that he actually spends time writing such articles shows his ineptness as being taken as a serious journalist.

I'm not an ES apologist, but I do take issue with him calling out Om. McKenna's opinions about Om are baseless and without merit. There's good and bad things about ES. The idea that the mods are all yes men is far from the truth. The tirades from a lot of members over there, as of late, have been pretty hardcore and I've noticed no one has been banned because of it. It's the manner in which those opinions are expressed that the mods take issue with. Every board has rules. People are given ample warnings and when you don't follow the rules, you get banned. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.[/quote]


I'll agree with the whole, "if you don't like it go elsewhere" thing... but I've butted heads with "om" on [I][B]this [/B][/I]site, over an article he posted on [B]redskins.com[/B] that I commented on here. I didn't agree with him being able to post his view on fan behavior and opinion on the redskins team site. It's a place where rebuttals aren't posted and he can lump people in together that don't agree with his or the skins views and bash them publicly. Its not right.

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[quote=canthetuna;418363]I'll agree with the whole, "if you don't like it go elsewhere" thing... but I've butted heads with "om" on [I][B]this [/B][/I]site, over an article he posted on [B]redskins.com[/B] that I commented on here. I didn't agree with him being able to post his view on fan behavior and opinion on the redskins team site. It's a place where rebuttals aren't posted and he can lump people in together that don't agree with his or the skins views and bash them publicly. Its not right.[/quote]
Everything I said was based on my own perspective and experience. Take it for what it's worth.

If others have had a different experience with ES, then that's another argument all together. I was only addressing what McKenna had written. My guess is that he wrote it knowing the kind of drama it would create, thereby drawing in an audience he couldn't otherwise gain by writing something that is actually newsworthy.

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sure, I wasn't commenting on that at all, just saying that the "if you don't like it then leave" thing shouldn't exactly apply to Redskins.com, and the opinions of other fans. I've spoken with several people who don't visit any message boards at all, but go to redskins.com and read what is posted by fans and take it as if the redskins organization feels that way. You and I know (or assume) that his opinions are his own, but some get them confused with the feeling of team officials, as if they're sitting there sending messages to the fans on the site.

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I see your point about getting the two confused. It's usually noted that the columns Mark submits are written as a "fan view" and linked to ES.

I think overall he does a good job of capturing the mood and sentiments of most of the fans, depending on whatever situation the Redskins are in at the time. I actually like the fact that the organization chooses to showcase his work. However, I could see those that have a dissenting opinion taking issue that he speaks for everyone or for the organization.

I think most people realize that the opinions Mark expresses are not endorsed by the team, but it might be to their benefit to include a disclaimer in his articles.

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Who cares about Extremeskins??

That board sucks balls.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;418491]Who cares about Extremeskins??

That board sucks balls.[/QUOTE]

I'll never forgive those mangina mods for coming over to our board and badmouthing the legendary Joe Crisp. No amount of access and no number of presspasses can change they the fact that they are cocky cocks.

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[quote=djnemo65;418498]I'll never forgive those mangina mods for coming over to our board and badmouthing the legendary Joe Crisp. No amount of access and no number of presspasses can change they the fact that they are cocky cocks.[/quote]
Was that just one mod or all of them? Granted, I wasn't here when that went down, but I read the thread. Only one of them chose to be antagonistic from what I recall.

With respect to the OP, nothing good will come of this thread. If people get their jollies from bashing other Redskins boards, then so be it. I personally don't see the point and I think there are better things right now to talk about.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;418349]I can't believe the City Paper wrote an article about ES banning a member.[/quote]

That was the first thing I thought. I can't say I hate ES because they are fellow Redskins fans and all, but I'm sure glad I don't waste any time on their site.

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Isn't that the site with the "funky bunch" dancers as mods?

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;418503]Was that just one mod or all of them? Granted, I wasn't here when that went down, but I read the thread. Only one of them chose to be antagonistic from what I recall.

With respect to the OP, nothing good will come of this thread. If people get their jollies from bashing other Redskins boards, then so be it. I personally don't see the point and I think there are better things right now to talk about.[/QUOTE]

It was all of them, and they also printed compromising pictures of SGC and tax records linking Matty and this site to the Russian Mafia. Ooh, I just hate those guys.

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[quote=Lady Brave;418475]I see your point about getting the two confused. It's usually noted that the columns Mark submits are written as a "fan view" and linked to ES.

I think overall he does a good job of capturing the mood and sentiments of most of the fans, depending on whatever situation the Redskins are in at the time. I actually like the fact that the organization chooses to showcase his work. However, I could see those that have a dissenting opinion taking issue that he speaks for everyone or for the organization.

I think most people realize that the opinions Mark expresses are not endorsed by the team, but it might be to their benefit to include a disclaimer in his articles.[/quote]

in the military, you're not really allowed to comment on anything in uniform, because, even though you're an individual with a right to your own views, being in uniform makes it too easy to confuse personal views with those of the military itself... they're generally pretty strick on that too.

same thing. an article linked to by the redskins or posted on redskins.com is much easier to confuse as team gospel.


and ES is the reason we no longer have camp access... while they were busy bragging about being the first website to have press passes to training camp, we'd already had a guy doing it for two years... and they're the reason we don't now.

they don't seem reasonable (again, for the most part) and luckily they don't come here often. they tend to be a lot more courteous here than on ES though. Om's probably one of the better ones, but it's stupid that he's allowed to insult whoever and can't take it in return, or that he feels a need to undermine legitimate conversations for no good reason.

and it's REALLY hard to argue that those guys AREN'T bought sitting in the press box and getting free trips to every game. If they didn't want the heat for that, they shouldn't have signed the deal.

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[quote=Schneed10;418491]Who cares about Extremeskins??

That board sucks balls.[/quote]

And how. Although, I don't suspect the mods here would behave differently if they were lounging around the team hotel the night before the game. I KNOW I wouldn't. I'd be defending Snyder like Perry Mason on crystal meth.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;418521]Isn't that the site with the "funky 4" dancers as mods?[/QUOTE]
nope. that's [url]http://hailredskins.com[/url].

As far as being the OP, my intent was to show what was written and to see what others thought. I find it amusing that both the writer and the ES mod would stoop to such childish nonsense on a blog merely to see who's unit is bigger.

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Yeah but I have heard people getting tossed off of the Warpath the same way.......

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Guys flaming there board will only build tension...


ahhh what the hell...that board is a load o shit...and come on Snyder owns the board THANK GOD HE DOESN'T OWN THIS ONE!!! It sounds like communist Russia over there, say something bad about the owner and get banned...where here you can say he is a dumbass and get away with it...gotta love america.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;418334]Thats what I like about the WP. We can bash whoever and say pretty much whatever (so long as it's not completely asinine) and not get banned. [/quote]

Hmmmmmmmm!!.. :Smoker:

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[quote=QBall;418731]Yeah but I have heard people getting tossed off of the Warpath the same way.......[/quote]

You heard wrong.

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Can somebody tell me why that guy Shadowplay was banned in the first place (the 1 week ban -- not the perm ban)? Was it because he attacked another poster? If so, was Om banned for a week as well?

Then, he was banned permanently for something he said in an email to Om? That seems kinda strange to me. Are there forum rules about what you can say to the mods in private? What if you saw them on the street and didn't hold the door for them? Would that deserve a ban? Seems to me like there should be a distinction between real-life and the message board.

@hess: You were the first person I thought of when I read about that Om guy again. LOL.

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Who are these people and why should we/I care?

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[quote=QBall;418731]Yeah but I have heard people getting tossed off of the Warpath the same way.......[/quote]
Not true. Everyone I have seen get the boot were warned well in advance and they just kept on pushing the mods to kick them to the curb.

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[quote=QBall;418731]Yeah but I have heard people getting tossed off of the Warpath the same way.......[/quote]

got any proof or examples? i'd like to see it.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;418350]I thought the pool cleaner line was great[/QUOTE]

Yeah I agree. I don't know why people take things so personally .

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[QUOTE=mcarey032;419265]Yeah I agree. I don't know why people take things so personally .[/QUOTE]

They take things personally cause they have alterior motives to protect. You can't insult the owner of their site and the person that gives them benefits and expect those benefits to keep rolling in.

People here complain about the mods, but fact is, even though they are human, they allow for people to express their opinions without repercussions. All you have to do is pretty much not insult others, or be rude beyond belief. They have even allowed people to rant and chaulked it up to emotion. Not saying they are perfect, but I have been around, and they have the most patience I have seen.

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Well I found a Packers message board and all I can say is :doh:..... Check it out there's a couple 14 year olds talking about stupid shit when the topic was is "Is Favre returning" LOL i'm serious check it out. Just be happy this site doesn't turn into that

[url=http://www.packer.com/message_board/viewtopic.php?t=73&highlight=brett+favre]Packer.com Message Board :: View topic - Is Favre returning?[/url]

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[QUOTE=sancho2613;419499]Well I found a Packers message board and all I can say is :doh:..... Check it out there's a couple 14 year olds talking about stupid shit when the topic was is "Is Favre returning" LOL i'm serious check it out. Just be happy this site doesn't turn into that

[url=http://www.packer.com/message_board/viewtopic.php?t=73&highlight=brett+favre]Packer.com Message Board :: View topic - Is Favre returning?[/url][/QUOTE]

Oh that's horrid! I just lost precious IQ points reading that, and I don't have much to give away as it is! ;)

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[quote=skinsguy;419503]Oh that's horrid! I just lost precious IQ points reading that, and I don't have much to give away as it is! ;)[/quote]

Not quite the discussion for the knowledgeable fan huh :laughing2

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I just joined, but I read this site daily. Id say the last "war" between the kool aid gang and the anti kool aid gang clearly showed that differing opinions weren't long for this board, but that's just my op.

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[I]"Yet, far as I can tell, Steven, who inserts smiley faces into his message-board posts at a creepy rate for a 47-year-old guy (if his bio information on the site is to be believed), has never fully disclosed to extremeskins members the extent of the privileges granted him by the team for his attacks on critics of Skins management, let alone his apparent status as an employee of Snyder’s"[/I]

I actually went over to that other board today and saw that this freak is still posting smiley faces.

[B]OM:[/B]
Quote:
Originally Posted by [B]whitejimmy[/B]
[I]PS, I hope OM doesn't ban me for being critical of the owner. [IMG]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG][/I]


He won't. But he might ban the next person who suggests he would. [IMG]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

[B]WhiteJimmy:[/B]
Quote:
Originally Posted by [B]Om[/B]
[I]He won't. But he might ban the next person who suggests he would. [IMG]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG][/I]



Well, I guess you would know.

Geez, more smilies?

[IMG]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=sancho2613;419499]Well I found a Packers message board and all I can say is :doh:..... Check it out there's a couple 14 year olds talking about stupid shit when the topic was is "Is Favre returning" LOL i'm serious check it out. Just be happy this site doesn't turn into that

[URL="http://www.packer.com/message_board/viewtopic.php?t=73&highlight=brett+favre"]Packer.com Message Board :: View topic - Is Favre returning?[/URL][/quote]


It's on every site for every team.:censored:

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;418349]I can't believe the City Paper wrote an article about ES banning a member.[/QUOTE]


I'm suprised they actually revealed the member's name.

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[quote=Giantone;423200]It's on every site for every team.:censored:[/quote]

Damn Giantone. You must be a member of at least 32 forums around the league, lol. Oh well I'm guilty to. I'm currently a member of a Seahawks, Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, Ravens, and Falcons forum. Though I haven't really posted on any of them, especially the Cowboys forum, that place scares me.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;419313]They take things personally cause they have alterior motives to protect. You can't insult the owner of their site and the person that gives them benefits and expect those benefits to keep rolling in.

People here complain about the mods, but fact is, even though they are human, they allow for people to express their opinions without repercussions. All you have to do is pretty much not insult others, or be rude beyond belief. They have even allowed people to rant and chaulked it up to emotion. Not saying they are perfect, but I have been around, and they have the most patience I have seen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the one thing that I see over at ES, and I post there quite a bit is that people just want to believe whatever the redskins do is great and that if you badmouth it, you are a bad fan. I know that a lot of people over there hate Czaban, but the guy to me is funny and has some valid points. He was out of line by asking that question of Brunell, but he asks the tough questions. Fans over there always say that Czaban hates the redskins. I don't think that its true. Just because you disagree with how your FO manages the team doesn't make you hate the team. There is very little tolerance over there, IMO. They do have some great posters over there, but it does get a bit of control with the protection of the Management of the team.