Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?
 

Hillary has slightly more delegates than Obama. However on the republican side McCain is in the clear lead by a signifigfant number. Do you think he has a chance to be president?

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

Clever sig. I would think he's got a shot because he has appeal to both sides. On the other hand, the hardcore right-wing Republicans seem likely to abstain from voting (or so they are allegedly threatening) if he's the nominee

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418589]Clever sig. I would think he's got a shot because he has appeal to both sides. On the other hand, the hardcore right-wing Republicans seem likely to abstain from voting (or so they are allegedly threatening) if he's the nominee[/QUOTE]

I know they've threatened to do so, but do you think they will if Hillary secures the Democratic nomination? I think they'll probably vote in droves.

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

God I really hope not.

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He absolutely does. He wins the moderate/independent vote...

Especially if Hilary gets elected.

He's been my favorite candidate for about 3 years now... so I'm kind of excited about all of this.

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If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, she will 1)motivate conservatives to vote and 2)get much less of a boost from the media. Obama 1) engenders much less animus from the right and 2) is viewed by the press as the second coming of JFK. So, he can beat Hillary. Obama is a much tougher task.

But to answer the question, yes he does. If any Republican has a chance in this very difficult year for Republicans, it would be him.

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As far as against Obama... I'm not totally sure about that one...

One of Obama's big issues is on lobbyist reform, and things of that nature. McCain pretty much owns that issue...but I'm not sure people even look at the issues anymore. So many opinions are based on rhetoric... and Obama certainly is a better speaker.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012501285.html]McCain Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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He absolutely has a shot if he is running against Hillary. I believe if she is the democratic nominee she will turn off a lot of folks and energize the republican base not necessarily to vote for McCain but to vote against her.

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I think McCain would be heavily favored to beat Hillary, and slightly favored to beat Obama. He'll have a good chance at winning key battleground states like Pennsylvania and Florida that tend to be more moderate. Recent successes in Iraq bode well for his hawkish stance on that war, and he's the least likely to consider raising taxes.

Even though Huckabee won a lot of the evangelical states, McCain often was RIGHT there behind him on Super Tuesday. It's not like he was totally shut out in those states, I mean Romney is way more of a bible thumper than McCain, and he still ended up 3rd in most of those states. So I expect McCain to keep those red/evangelical states whether he's facing Hillary or not.

I think chances are pretty decent that he's the next president. I wouldn't have it any other way, I love the guy.

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[quote=70Chip;418609]If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, she will 1)motivate conservatives to vote and 2)get much less of a boost from the media. Obama 1) engenders much less animus from the right and 2) is viewed by the press as the second coming of JFK. So, he can beat Hillary. Obama is a much tougher task.

But to answer the question, yes he does. If any Republican has a chance in this very difficult year for Republicans, it would be him.[/quote]

I guess you beat me to it.

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[quote=RobH4413;418614]As far as against Obama... I'm not totally sure about that one...

One of Obama's big issues is on lobbyist reform, and things of that nature. McCain pretty much owns that issue...but I'm not sure people even look at the issues anymore. So many opinions are based on rhetoric... and Obama certainly is a better speaker.


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012501285.html"]McCainÂ*Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;418622]Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.[/QUOTE]

He won't get through a general election campaign without this being hammered. Whether it will matter is the question. Don't worry though, people won't be able to ignore it.

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[quote=70Chip;418622]Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.[/quote]


What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.

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I, too, am a big McCain supporter. Was the first time around when Bush beat him, too. I do think he has a good chance, as long as it's against Hillary. Obama is also attractive to a lot of indepenedents and I don't think it's quite clear which way those independents would vote.

BTW, [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/06/roland.martin/index.html"]here's[/URL] an excellent article on why Conservatives dislike McCain, and why it's imperative that they back him up.

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[quote=saden1;418647]What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.[/quote]


Obama never gets specific on any issue. He generally speaks in general terms such as "we need change!" However, he doesn't tell us what he's like to change to.

Every stop Clinton makes, she tells her audience what new government program she'll create for them. If you add up all of this new spending, it's impossible to fulfill and if she tried to, we'd be handing over nearly ALL of our income to the government.

Unfortunately, McCain DOES get specific. I say unfortunately because he becomes less and less attractive as a candidate when he speaks of his plans such as amnesty. (he won't admit it is amnesty, but it is)



I'm really disappointed in the choice of candidates on both sides this election.

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[quote=BigRed;418714]I, too, am a big McCain supporter. Was the first time around when Bush beat him, too. I do think he has a good chance, as long as it's against Hillary. Obama is also attractive to a lot of indepenedents and I don't think it's quite clear which way those independents would vote.

BTW, [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/06/roland.martin/index.html"]here's[/URL] an excellent article on why Conservatives dislike McCain, and why it's imperative that they back him up.[/quote]


McCain has HUGE independent support, which is precisely why he's running away with the nomination. Many of the early states have allowed independents to vote and a few have had open primaries and he's even gotten votes from Democrats. Whether it is because they support him or if they're just trying to eliminate a Conservative choice...who knows, but McCain is more popular with independents than with his own party base.

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[quote=Buster;418717]Obama never gets specific on any issue. He generally speaks in general terms such as "we need change!" However, he doesn't tell us what he's like to change to.

Every stop Clinton makes, she tells her audience what new government program she'll create for them. If you add up all of this new spending, it's impossible to fulfill and if she tried to, we'd be handing over nearly ALL of our income to the government.

Unfortunately, McCain DOES get specific. I say unfortunately because he becomes less and less attractive as a candidate when he speaks of his plans such as amnesty. (he won't admit it is amnesty, but it is)



I'm really disappointed in the choice of candidates on both sides this election.[/quote]

You as a citizen need to do your homework. [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/"]See the problems, see his solutions.[/URL]

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

Oddly enough I was just telling my friend this. This is the way I see it:

1) If Obama is democratic nominee: McCain has a harder shot at becoming President. Conservatives that don't like McCain either wouldn't vote, or would switch over to democrat

2) If Hillary is democratic nominee: McCain has a much better chance being that Conservatives that don't like McCain hate Hilary so much more, they either wouldn't vote or would just vote for McCain anyway to keep her out of office.

I always thought that was why Republicans wanted her to win the democratic nomination so bad.

Mitt Romney drops out of GOP race
 

[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7290788,00.html"]McCain Seals GOP Nod As Romney Suspends | World Latest | Guardian Unlimited[/URL]

Interesting... I'm curious as to how long Huckabee stays in the race. McCain seems remarkably close to seal the deal, and this will change the dynamics of his campaign.

I also wonder whether or not Huckabee gets any kind of surge here. It seems the reason Romney was crushed on super tuesday was because conservatives were splitting between him and Huckabee... giving McCain a clear shot.

This also could change how the Hilary and Obama race fares. Democrats will start voting for the "most electable". This could be big for Obama.

Re: Mitt Romney drops out of GOP race
 

Lookup douchebaggery and changing your position centillion times in the dictionary and you'll see Romney's picture. Good riddance.

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

I'm curious as to what the majority of Democrats think about Obama? We all know how Ted Kennedy thinks of him.

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Romney has droped out of the race.
[url=http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/10402518.html]TheStreet.com : Print Story - Romney Clears Path for McCain[/url]

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

So what I'm going to do here is merge the Romney thread RobH created(since it's fairly new) and this McCain thread and update the title

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;418833]So what I'm going to do here is merge the Romney thread RobH created(since it's fairly new) and this McCain thread and update the title[/quote]
Well I new thats what you would do so thats why I posted it here instead of starting a new thread. Dang I'm smart!

Re: Does McCain Have a shot?
 

[quote=skinsguy;418821]I'm curious as to what the majority of Democrats think about Obama? We all know how Ted Kennedy thinks of him.[/quote]

I think they are waiting. Personally I support Obama, just because I feel he has the best shot versus McCain. Not that I don't respect McCain and his domestic policies, I just really don't want us to be in Iraq for the next 70 years.

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McCain also seems a very smart choice by the Republicans in the LR. Uber conservatives should just calm down because he has a good shot for the presidency. he attracts alot of independents, moderates, and quasi-liberals.

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[quote=hooskins;418890]McCain also seems a very smart choice by the Republicans in the LR. Uber conservatives should just calm down because he has a good shot for the presidency. he attracts alot of independents, moderates, and quasi-liberals.[/quote]


You mean the hate radio talk show hosts and pundits making the news rounds? I guess he has proven them wrong because he is clearly going to win the republican nomination after being written off and ripped on.

The Little General is well on his way, he just needs a little help from Hillary.

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can you spot what's wrong with this picture?

[IMG]http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/mccain_d_27.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=saden1;418988]can you spot what's wrong with this picture?

[IMG]http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/mccain_d_27.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I have got to wonder if that was intentional on Fox News' part. I also wonder whether the right's attacks on McCain will actually help him in the general election.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;418996]I have got to wonder if that was intentional on Fox News' part. I also wonder whether the right's attacks on McCain will actually help him in the general election.[/quote]

They have been doing this sort of thing for years to Dems so I am not surprised. Lets just say I highly doubt it's a coincidence.

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[quote=saden1;418988]can you spot what's wrong with this picture?

[IMG]http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/mccain_d_27.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Everything looks accurate to me.

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[quote=saden1;419005]They have been doing this sort of thing for years to Dems so I am not surprised. Lets just say I highly doubt it's a coincidence.[/quote]
Ok I have to ask what else they have done over the years. Maybe they right an article about the postal scandle years back and put an R after everyones name even though most were dems. The when asked the reporter said the R stood for representative. Maybe they do a news story with fake documents but use them anyways. Oh, thats the other news outlets.

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mccain would beat either obama or clinton as of right now (by the polls they're run).

i'd love to see an obama/mccain election though. i wanted mccain 8 years ago.

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[quote=firstdown;419286]Ok I have to ask what else they have done over the years. Maybe they right an article about the postal scandle years back and put an R after everyones name even though most were dems. The when asked the reporter said the R stood for representative. Maybe they do a news story with fake documents but use them anyways. Oh, thats the other news outlets.[/quote]
[IMG]http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/Fox_Foley_Label.jpg[/IMG]

Foley resigned from Congress on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_29"]September 29[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006"]2006[/URL] after [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal"]allegations surfaced[/URL] that he had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_messaging"]instant messages[/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley#_note-threemore"][1][/URL] to teenaged boys who had formerly served and were at that time serving as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_Page"]Congressional pages[/URL]

and they made him a Democrat.

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Just to small sample:

[IMG]http://images.politico.com/global/conyers-jefferson.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/crusheconomy.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/12223/2003823778859696153_rs.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gorefox.jpg[/IMG]

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All networks, editors, and reporters have some biases, but Fox is biased more than any other mainstream network. When they have on-air debates, they are usually over whether the Dems suck or whether they reallly, really, really suck. So much for fair and balanced.

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[quote=saden1;419328]Just to small sample:

[IMG]http://images.politico.com/global/conyers-jefferson.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/crusheconomy.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/12223/2003823778859696153_rs.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gorefox.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
were do you get these clips from?
William Jefferson is a D/LA.

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LOL those pics are hilarious. Not over the top or biased at all. That's the no spin zone right there.

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Sure, because CNN never does anything wrong:




[U][B] CNN places 'X' mark on Dick Cheney's Face[/B][/U]

Everyone except the CNN graphics operator could clearly see the big black X that crossed Dick Cheney's face during a November 22 live speech about the War in Iraq.

[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_ccn_cheney_black.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_ccn_cheney_white.jpg[/IMG]

According to Matt Drudge, "A careful review of the tape also shows a white colored 'X' transposed over Cheney's face during the speech as well." ...but what about the text below? What does the fine print below the big X say? Does it shed additional light on the sinister plot by CNN to make a mockery of the Vice President's important address to the American Enterprise Institute and the nation?

[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn01.jpg[/IMG]

Unfortunately the truth isn't that sexy. The truth is, the text below is nothing more than a technical TV instruction to the program's producer and engineer.

Here's how I managed to 'crack the code':
1) I quickly discovered that the 'white X' graphic was easier to work with than the 'black X'
White 'X'
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn02a.jpg[/IMG]

Black "X'
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn02b.jpg[/IMG]

2) Next, certain properties became even more clear when the colors of the graphic were inverted.
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn03.jpg[/IMG]

3) At this point, I could easily make out several characters. The letters a-m-e-s and a few others are quite obvious.

4) A quick Google search provided the next clue. What television-related phrase includes these letters? Within minutes it was clear. The last few words read "frames of black"

5) Well, how many frames of black? The AFRTS standard is a minimum of 15 frames of black for the beginning and end of each spot but upon close examination, we did not see a 15. What we saw was a 5.
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn04.jpg[/IMG]

6) When the graphic is blown up and moothed out a bit, several more characters become clear. The letters a-e-r are quite easy to see.
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn05.jpg[/IMG]

7) At this point, a little crossword puzzle deduction helped me figure out what that next word was.

8) The next word (in reverse) was almost entirely hidden by the foreground text making it nearly impossible to figure out so I decided to test a few different fonts. If I could figure out what font was used, I could then figure out which letters could create the pattern. As close as I can tell, it looks a lot like arial but it's more likely helvetica.
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn07a.jpg[/IMG]

Arial Font Overlay
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn07b.jpg[/IMG]

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9) The last word(s) was going to be extremely difficult. The CNN logo hides most of the text.
[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn08.jpg[/IMG]

10) By determining the text font, we've opened several new clues. The most important being the very first character. - It's definitely a 'T"! No other letter in arial has the same left side pattern.

11) Also, looking closely, you can see an 's' and the last character of the word could be an 'n'

12) Now that we have t-s-n, what words might fit.

13) At first I thought 'transmission' but the arial text overlay didn't quite match.

14) After a few minutes, searching through a partial word dictionary, I decided to go with transition'

As far as I can tell, the phrase under the black 'X' reads:

[B][COLOR=Red]"Transition begins after 5 frames of black"[/COLOR][/B]


15) and the arial font overlay seems to confirm this.

[IMG]http://www.shopmetrospy.com/promo_images/225_cnn09.jpg[/IMG]