How The Zorn HC Hire Effect Jason Campbell
 

Since Zorn was hire as HC does this put J.C. at a little disadvantage? I was hoping for Zorn & Campbell to be hands on like he was with Hasselback all those years. I mean it's quite different now they were hoping Zorn could push J.C. over the hump. We can only hope another coordinator can?

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He should still be pretty hands on with JC, and since he's going to be hiring his OC and QB coach you can bet those individuals will share his same offensive philosophy.

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Short term I wouldn't be surprised to see Campbell struggle out of the gate, but I think by midsesason he's going to hit his stride and become a very good QB under Zorn.

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[quote=Mattyk72;420577]He should still be pretty hands on with JC, and since he's going to be hiring his OC and QB coach you can bet those individuals will share his same offensive philosophy.[/quote]
I agree. JZ and JC will be joined at the hip for a while. He will spend more time with him and let the other coaches concentrate on all the other areas, atleast in the beginning.

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Matty, I hope so he is a damn good QB he just needs a little polishing and more experience.

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I think if JC puts in the same amount of time this offseason we will not see much of a problem come the beginning of the season. Learn the terminology and then "explode" off the center and play your game.

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I already had the sentiment of Zorn when he said "Oh well, get used to it".

Campbell should be professional enough able to adapt to his surroundings. Campbell is not a ten year boy in junior football. This guy is a grown man, let him fend for himself and if he can't do it bring in someone else.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420577]He should still be pretty hands on with JC, and since he's going to be hiring his OC and QB coach you can bet those individuals will share his same offensive philosophy.[/QUOTE]


I'm anxiously awaiting to hear from Jason just what he and Zorn spoke about in their brief conversation prior to our playoff loss in Seattle. Hasselbeck mentioned he introduced Jason to Zorn, they chatted at such length he wishes now he hadn't.

Even though he plans to hire a QB coach, I too beleive he'll still find time to work extensively with JC on certain things. He actually made mention of something I agree Jason could benefit from working on; position under center, and explosion from the LOS. The fact he has to crouch that way takes a mili. sec from his dropback. Interested in seing just what a difference that will make. Seems small, but in reality it's huge.

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Jason should now be sleeping over at Jim's house and study hard

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I think Zorn's experience could help push JC to the next level. It can't hurt.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;420587]I agree. JZ and JC will be joined at the hip for a while. He will spend more time with him and let the other coaches concentrate on all the other areas, atleast in the beginning.[/quote]

That's what I'm thinking. He's been a QB coach for a while, so he'll be able to give that extra help to get JC where he needs to be. JC already knows he can play and compete, hopefully they'll let him use that gun he's got.

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There is going to be an adjustment period. No question about that. The offense is going to probably struggle coming out of the gate. Hopefully the defense will be able to pick up the slack. I also want to know if they plan of re-signing Collins.

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Everyone including me is assuming that Collins is a goner. But are assuming too much too quickly? What do you think the chances are that Collins stays? 1 in 10, 1 in 100? Personally, I think he would thrive in the west coast system. Just wondering if anyone thinks there is any chance he stays.

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[quote=70Chip;420692]Everyone including me is assuming that Collins is a goner. But are assuming too much too quickly? What do you think the chances are that Collins stays? 1 in 10, 1 in 100? Personally, I think he would thrive in the west coast system. Just wondering if anyone thinks there is any chance he stays.[/quote]

I think he's gone too. He is going to follow Al to STL. Which leads to my next question. Who's going to back-up JC? Brunell?

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[quote=skinsfan69;420695]I think he's gone too. He is going to follow Al to STL. Which leads to my next question. Who's going to back-up JC? Brunell?[/quote]

Well most people have assumed Brunell will leave. But with Collins leaving too, you have to bring in a vet backup. Those options tend to be limited at best. So, the question then becomes, "How do we feel about keeping Brunell around? What are the cap factors, etc?" And then we can all shake our heads in amazement that Brunell outlasted Gibbs. I'm almost rooting for it because I can hear the rage coming from certain quarters of this forum.

Also, if it hasn't already happened, who will be the first member of The Fedayeen Ramsey to suggest we bring him back?

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this could be one of the best things to happen to Campbell. his senior year at auburn( his best statistically) they ran a variation of the west coast offense. so the transition period may not be that long

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[quote=70Chip;420692]Everyone including me is assuming that Collins is a goner. But are assuming too much too quickly? What do you think the chances are that Collins stays? 1 in 10, 1 in 100? Personally, I think he would thrive in the west coast system. Just wondering if anyone thinks there is any chance he stays.[/quote]At age 37, he'll go where the money is.

And if that ends up being here, then we DO have an issue with the front office structure.

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My bet is Trent Dilfer will be the QB who comes in back up JC. TD is an UFA and a former pupil of Zorn. Most Wash Post articles on Jim Zorn's hiring contained one or two positive quotes from Trent Dilfer about what a great coach and leader Jim Z is, so Dilfer in Burgendy and Gold is a good bet. Not bad to have someone familiar with the WCO and who's a Super Bowl winning QB as your backup. He's also not a guy who will be itching to be the starter, but will be willing to serve as a mentor for JC. Strong man of faith to who would be a positive locker room influence!

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[QUOTE=OverseasSkinsfan;420760]My bet is Trent Dilfer will be the QB who comes in back up JC. TD is an UFA and a former pupil of Zorn. Most Wash Post articles on Jim Zorn's hiring contained one or two positive quotes from Trent Dilfer about what a great coach and leader Jim Z is, so Dilfer in Burgendy and Gold is a good bet. Not bad to have someone familiar with the WCO and who's a Super Bowl winning QB as your backup. He's also not a guy who will be itching to be the starter, but will be willing to serve as a mentor for JC. Strong man of faith to who would be a positive locker room influence![/QUOTE]

And we'd finally get the QB Norv always wanted here in the first place! (or was it Casserly that wanted him?)

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This will not work out well for JC as the WCO is all about timing and getting the ball out with short passes. Campbell is a terrible short passer and is very slow getting the ball out. I predict by the end of the 2009 season he wont be the starter anymore.

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Well he has played in a WC based system before and had his best college season in it. But let's just ignore that.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420771]Well he has played in a WC based system before and had his best college season in it. But let's just ignore that.[/QUOTE]

That was college. If we go by that Danny Wuerful should have been an all pro.

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[quote=irish;420773]That was college. If we go by that Danny Wuerful should have been an all pro.[/quote]

Regardless, he should at least be familiar with some of the terminology and basic principles. It's not going to be brand new to him like Saunders' system was.

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[quote=irish;420767]This will not work out well for JC as the WCO is all about timing and getting the ball out with short passes. Campbell is a terrible short passer and is very slow getting the ball out. I predict by the end of the 2009 season he wont be the starter anymore.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420779]Regardless, he should at least be familiar with some of the terminology and basic principles. It's not going to be brand new to him like Saunders' system was.[/QUOTE]

True but his passing skills are just not suited for the quick passes that the WCO needs. Time will tell.

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[QUOTE=irish;420767]This will not work out well for JC as the WCO is all about timing and getting the ball out with short passes. Campbell is a terrible short passer and is very slow getting the ball out. I predict by the end of the 2009 season he wont be the starter anymore.[/QUOTE]

As Zorn said yesterday, "Bummer!" He's a professional. JC is making millions as a QB. If he can't adjust and succeed, he's not what we need. My bet is he will make the adjustment and succeed and that Zorn will dedicate considerable energy to JC's success!

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[quote=irish;420785]True but his passing skills are just not suited for the quick passes that the WCO needs. Time will tell.[/quote]

We don't really know what type of WCO Zorn is going to run. Zorn's priority is going to be developing Campbell so I'm sure he's going to suit the offense to fit his strengths.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420790]We don't really know what type of WCO Zorn is going to run. Zorn's priority is going to be developing Campbell so I'm sure he's going to suit the offense to fit his strengths.[/QUOTE]

I suspect Zorn's priority will be assembling an offense that can score more than 15 points per game. If JC can help them do that great, if not he's gone. I just dont see Zorn wasting 2 years on JC waiting/helping him to develop. 2008 is the make or break year for JC.

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[quote=irish;420801][B]I suspect Zorn's priority will be assembling an offense that can score more than 15 points per game. If JC can help them do that great, if not he's gone.[/B] I just dont see Zorn wasting 2 years on JC waiting/helping him to develop. 2008 is the make or break year for JC.[/quote]

Those two basically go hand in hand, no?

Personally I don't see the team giving up on JC after 1 season in a new system with a first time HC.

But hey, if it makes you happy to make ridiculous predictions have at it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420805]Those two basically go hand in hand, no?

Personally I don't see the team giving up on JC after 1 season in a new system with a first time HC.

But hey, if it makes you happy to make ridiculous predictions have at it.[/QUOTE]

Sort of. If Campbell cant get the O going then he's out, plain and simple. Campbell hasnt shown much as a starter and now he has to prove himself all over again with a new coach.

I know I do make crazy predictions like in spite of Gibbs saying he was his QB that Ramsey would be gone by week 3.

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[quote=irish;420809]Sort of. If Campbell cant get the O going then he's out, plain and simple. Campbell hasnt shown much as a starter and now he has to prove himself all over again with a new coach.

I know I do make crazy predictions like in spite of Gibbs saying he was his QB that Ramsey would be gone by week 3.[/quote]

And you said Brunell would return as the starter when JC took over, so I guess it's a wash.

JC hasn't shown much as a starter?? I think he's shown enough to try to build around him and give him a realistic chance. He has just over 1 full season of starts under his belt. Is it too much to ask to just have a little patience?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420816]And you said Brunell would return as the starter when JC took over, so I guess it's a wash.

JC hasn't shown much as a starter?? I think he's shown enough to try to build around him and give him a realistic chance. He has just over 1 full season of starts under his belt. Is it too much to ask to just have a little patience?[/QUOTE]

I agree, JC is where he needs to be an average QB with only one season full of starts under his belt learning a new scheme where do you think he should be under those condition? Don't get it twisted people seem to come down hard on JC since TC did a good towards the end of the season, but folks also fail to realize he was in Saunders system for years & years.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420816]And you said Brunell would return as the starter when JC took over, so I guess it's a wash.

JC hasn't shown much as a starter?? I think he's shown enough to try to build around him and give him a realistic chance. He has just over 1 full season of starts under his belt. [B]Is it too much to ask to just have a little patience?[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes - because if he can't be selectively impatient, how will he rationalize his doom and gloom predictions?

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[quote=irish;420809]If Campbell cant get the O going then he's out, plain and simple. Campbell hasnt shown much as a starter and now he has to prove himself all over again with a new coach.[/quote]

Campbell has shown plenty of strong qualities as a starter so I don't really know what you are talking about? He needs to improve in all aspects, but he is a highly regarded young QB.

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Campbell has shown that he is what he is... a young QB with physical gifts, loads of potential, and the propensity to become a solid starter.

If he can't get the O going, and there are better options, obviously there are no reasons to stick with him. Kind of stating the obvious here Irish. That's pretty much like saying, "If player X sucks, we shouldn't start him".

He's made mistakes, shown weaknesses, but overall you've got to give him a chance. It's more risky to go pursue another project, and too expensive and unrealistic to chase a solid veteran.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420577]He should still be pretty hands on with JC, and since he's going to be hiring his OC and QB coach you can bet those individuals will share his same offensive philosophy.[/QUOTE]

I read in the Washington Post that one of the conditions to Zorn coming here is that he would be able to work one on one with Campbell. So, Zorn might be able to work out some of JC's kinks and bad habits (I hope anyway).

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Zorn and Campbell should after a brief period become like hand in glove. Campbell will welcome Zorn the same way he did Al Borges when Tommy Tuberville brought him from Indiana to coach Jason in the fine points of the WCO.

Jason Campbell flourished under the direction of Borges, and posted his most impressive resume. He had complained prior to Borges arival that the offense being deployed was too bland, as well as predictable, run on first down, run on second down, pass on third down, the type offense that put too much pressure on the QB.

Once he was given the opportunity to spread the defense, throw more on first down, and utilize his running backs more in the passing game, his game began to take on a new dimention.

The only difference in the Al Borges version of the WCO and Zorns' version, is that at the professional level it's executed at a much faster pace. Look for Jason to meet with limited difficulty, an offense which he has recorded his greatest success. It was the Saunders offense that was not best suited for him.

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dont forget J-Cam ran west coast offense with Al Borges...

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JC will being to show more improvement and earn his keep, they have to make him more mobile, a pocket passer is an easy target