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[url=http://fusion.stolaf.edu/athletics/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsDetails&id=1691]Meidt takes job with Redskins[/url]

St. Olaf eh? I hope his stories are as entertaining as Rose Nylund's

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This is actually a guy I was hoping we would consider for the Head Coaching job before we decided on Zorn.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;421041]This is actually a guy I was hoping we would consider for the Head Coaching job before we decided on Zorn.[/QUOTE]Is he that good?

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;421041]This is actually a guy I was hoping we would consider for the Head Coaching job before we decided on Zorn.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't see how DS can see that the "process" was complete w/out an interview of Meidt in the first place.

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hope he's good.Welcome to washington.

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Apparantly, they hired another guy too.

[url=http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/15532002.html]Meidt leaves St. Olaf to take Redskins job[/url]

Zorn also hired John Palermo, a former Gophers and Wisconsin assistant who spent last season as defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Tennessee Tech.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;421287]Apparantly, they hired another guy too.

[url=http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/15532002.html]Meidt leaves St. Olaf to take Redskins job[/url]

Zorn also hired John Palermo, a former Gophers and Wisconsin assistant who spent last season as defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Tennessee Tech.[/QUOTE]

What other guy?

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;421041]This is actually a guy I was hoping we would consider for the Head Coaching job before we decided on Zorn.[/QUOTE]

sarcasm?...

i don't know who this guy is or what to make of him. but i'm glad zorn is able to bring in a few guys of his own picking to help ease his transition.

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St. Olaf? A div 3 school? Are you kidding me?

In other news...Pop Warner coach makes jump to the NFL as Washingtons new quarterbacks Coach, film at 11.

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He'll probably be a lower level assistant. Nothing to get worked up over.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;421327]St. Olaf? A div 3 school? Are you kidding me?

In other news...Pop Warner coach makes jump to the NFL as Washingtons new quarterbacks Coach, film at 11.[/QUOTE]
You're right, a low level offense assistant needs to be a direct descendant of Vince Lombardi or Dave Campo..

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Why are we hiring college coaches? This guy and now some other guy who is going to be the D-line coach with no NFL experience. Just kind of strage. I thought we had already signed a D-line coach.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421029][url=http://fusion.stolaf.edu/athletics/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsDetails&id=1691]Meidt takes job with Redskins[/url]

St. Olaf eh? I hope his stories are as entertaining as Rose Nylund's[/QUOTE]

Holy crap...we're sinking to a D3 coach now? First we decide to hire a HC even though the guy has no head coaching OR OC / DC experience, now we hire a D3 coach?
I am REALLY trying to stay optimistic, but they are really raising my eyebrows. I hope they know what they are doing!

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[QUOTE=jsarno;421414]Holy crap...we're sinking to a D3 coach now? First we decide to hire a HC even though the guy has no head coaching OR OC / DC experience, now we hire a D3 coach?
I am REALLY trying to stay optimistic, but they are really raising my eyebrows. I hope they know what they are doing![/QUOTE]

You sound like Tim Kawakami, give these guys a chance.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;421418]You sound like Tim Kawakami, give these guys a chance.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, I will give them chances, but like I said in another thread, you go off odds. Odds are these guys will not be winners, and these signings are not smart. I will reserve my judgement until I see them coaching.
Hey we all want this work out, but if DS intentions were to lower expectations, well, mission accomplished.

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So a coach who takes a school that hasn't had much success since '69-'71 to three consecutive 8 win seasons in the last three years, has his team ranked in the top 15 in the country, has an offense that is ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons, set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game), and has recruiting classes with three All-America selections and (31) first team All-conference picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons doesn't deserve a chance as an offense assistant, not a position coach, an offensive assistant.....

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421428]So a coach who takes a school that hasn't had much success since '69-'71 to three consecutive 8 win seasons in the last three years, has his team ranked in the top 15 in the country, has an offense that is ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons, set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game), and has recruiting classes with three All-America selections and (31) first team All-conference picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons doesn't deserve a chance as an offense assistant, not a position coach, an offensive assistant.....[/QUOTE]

Stop. Your logic has no place here

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I just got a call from Zorn. I am going to be the new OC. No experience past High School whatsoever, but I do know the offensive playbook for DeMatha. Besides, I slept at a Holiday Inn last night. Thats because my wife wouldn't let me back in the house after getting trashed on a Monday night. But, I am the right man for the job. (Complete Sarcasim).

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421428]So a coach who takes a school that hasn't had much success since '69-'71 to three consecutive 8 win seasons in the last three years, has his team ranked in the top 15 in the country, has an offense that is ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons, set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game), and has recruiting classes with three All-America selections and (31) first team All-conference picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons doesn't deserve a chance as an offense assistant, not a position coach, an offensive assistant.....[/QUOTE]

Positive reputations points given to you my friend!! ;) Great post dude!

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[quote=skinsguy;421451]Positive reputations points given to you my friend!! ;) Great post dude![/quote]
Thx, much appreciated.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;421327]St. Olaf? A div 3 school? Are you kidding me?

In other news...Pop Warner coach makes jump to the NFL as Washingtons new quarterbacks Coach, film at 11.[/QUOTE]

And so it begins........

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;421428]So a coach who takes a school that hasn't had much success since '69-'71 to three consecutive 8 win seasons in the last three years, has his team ranked in the top 15 in the country, has an offense that is ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons, set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game), and has recruiting classes with three All-America selections and (31) first team All-conference picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons doesn't deserve a chance as an offense assistant, not a position coach, an offensive assistant.....[/quote]

now that is a post with same thought put into it :goodjob: and some good info to know as well

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421428]So a coach who takes a school that hasn't had much success since '69-'71 to three consecutive 8 win seasons in the last three years, has his team ranked in the top 15 in the country, has an offense that is ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons, set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game), and has recruiting classes with three All-America selections and (31) first team All-conference picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons doesn't deserve a chance as an offense assistant, not a position coach, an offensive assistant.....[/QUOTE]

I don't think you were referring to me directly since I was not that harsh about the signing, but just in case you were:
Like I have explained in another thread, had this been a signing for a Gibbs run team, I'd have no beef taking the chance. However, Zorn has no experience, and he is hiring people with no experience.
You say His team ranked top 15 in the country, well, that is not true...his team was a D3 team, so it ranked below the 120 or so D1 schools, and however many D2 schools there are. So he really ranked closer to 200 or so in the country.
I am not debating he did a good job with his team. There have been many high school teams that have had good coaches too, does that mean we hire them too? Again, my problem isn't with him as much as it is with Zorn. We need to hire people with experience to surround Zorn to help compliment where Zorn lacks. Zorn would have been a good choice for OC, but not HC. That's where my comments stem from.

ps- you need to ask yourself if this guy was so good, why was he at St. Olaf?

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[quote=jsarno;421531]ps- you need to ask yourself if this guy was so good, why was he at St. Olaf?[/quote]Everyone has to start somewhere?

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jeez are we really nitpicking an offensive assistant?? :doh:

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Let's hope this is an indication that Meidt is this year's Chris Wilson.

I, for one, am hoping on the Meidt Wagon!

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[quote=jsarno;421531]I don't think you were referring to me directly since I was not that harsh about the signing, but just in case you were:
Like I have explained in another thread, had this been a signing for a Gibbs run team, I'd have no beef taking the chance. However, Zorn has no experience, and he is hiring people with no experience.
You say His team ranked top 15 in the country, well, that is not true...his team was a D3 team, so it ranked below the 120 or so D1 schools, and however many D2 schools there are. So he really ranked closer to 200 or so in the country.
I am not debating he did a good job with his team. There have been many high school teams that have had good coaches too, does that mean we hire them too? Again, my problem isn't with him as much as it is with Zorn. We need to hire people with experience to surround Zorn to help compliment where Zorn lacks. Zorn would have been a good choice for OC, but not HC. That's where my comments stem from.

ps- you need to ask yourself if this guy was so good, why was he at St. Olaf?[/quote]
I wasn't referring to you directly, but I did read your post.

Meidt's team is ranked in the top 15 in the country against the teams he competes against. You cannot compare D1, D2 & D3 schools. D3 doesn't give out scholarships. Would he be a bad coach because his team lost to LSU or Ohio State?

Meidt has identified talent, coached & taught that talent and called the games on a consistently high level. He is recruiting & teaching kids that are not recruited by the D1 & D2 colleges and St. Olaf is not in a football hotbed or they would have won regularly before he got there. Based on his level of All-Americans & All-MAIC players I would say he has a great eye for talent or he is one hell of a coach. Either way I am glad he is on staff. What he has done is more impressive that what many D1 coaches have done. I would rather have Meidt than a D1 coach from a large school that stays at or near .500 all the time. That D1 coach at .500 is not a better coach just because he is at D1.

Same for the NFL, I'm sure many of the coaches son's who have gone on to better positions started in assistant positions similar to Meidt. Are they more qualified than him?

This would explain why Meidt is at St. Olaf's.

[URL="http://blog.mnsportsstore.com/2008/02/12/st-olaf-football-coach-chris-meidt-hired-by-washington-redskins/"]St. Olaf Football Coach Chris Meidt Hired By Washington Redskins | Minnesota Sports[/URL]

After reading this I feel even more comfortable with the hire.

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Nice posts on this guy. Informative to say the least.

I guess the best course it to be optimistic but skeptical.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421582]I wasn't referring to you directly, but I did read your post.

Meidt's team is ranked in the top 15 in the country against the teams he competes against. You cannot compare D1, D2 & D3 schools. D3 doesn't give out scholarships. Would he be a bad coach because his team lost to LSU or Ohio State?

Meidt has identified talent, coached & taught that talent and called the games on a consistently high level. He is recruiting & teaching kids that are not recruited by the D1 & D2 colleges and St. Olaf is not in a football hotbed or they would have won regularly before he got there. Based on his level of All-Americans & All-MAIC players I would say he has a great eye for talent or he is one hell of a coach. Either way I am glad he is on staff. What he has done is more impressive that what many D1 coaches have done. I would rather have Meidt than a D1 coach from a large school that stays at or near .500 all the time. That D1 coach at .500 is not a better coach just because he is at D1.

Same for the NFL, I'm sure many of the coaches son's who have gone on to better positions started in assistant positions similar to Meidt. Are they more qualified than him?

This would explain why Meidt is at St. Olaf's.

[URL="http://blog.mnsportsstore.com/2008/02/12/st-olaf-football-coach-chris-meidt-hired-by-washington-redskins/"]St. Olaf Football Coach Chris Meidt Hired By Washington Redskins | Minnesota Sports[/URL]

After reading this I feel even more comfortable with the hire.[/QUOTE]

Good post and good link.

My only concern with the logic is this...even if he did great at the D3 level, it's still too many levels under what he did. For instance, if a High School coach takes his team to state every year, does that mean he deserves a job at the NFL level? After all, he scouted his team and coached his team to the best of it's ability, and obviously has a great eye for talent. I say no, call it the big Spurrier blunder burnt on my mind. SPurrier was an AMAZING college coach, and it didn't even remotely translate to the NFL. That was only 1 step he had to take too. D3 is just about 1 step above High School football. So while he did do a great job with what he had, how do we know it will translate to the NFL?
Please keep in mind I am not against this hiring, my concern lies with Zorn being HC with no experience then hiring people to surround him with no experience to compliment him. I'm all for giving both of them a shot, but Zorn at HC has me scratching my head.

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[quote=jsarno;421689]Good post and good link.

My only concern with the logic is this...even if he did great at the D3 level, it's still too many levels under what he did. For instance, if a High School coach takes his team to state every year, does that mean he deserves a job at the NFL level? After all, he scouted his team and coached his team to the best of it's ability, and obviously has a great eye for talent. I say no, call it the big Spurrier blunder burnt on my mind. SPurrier was an AMAZING college coach, and it didn't even remotely translate to the NFL. That was only 1 step he had to take too. D3 is just about 1 step above High School football. So while he did do a great job with what he had, how do we know it will translate to the NFL?
Please keep in mind I am not against this hiring, my concern lies with Zorn being HC with no experience then hiring people to surround him with no experience to compliment him. I'm all for giving both of them a shot, but Zorn at HC has me scratching my head.[/quote]But the issue here isn't about why he deserves a shot, it's about why (if for any reason) he doesn't.

It's an odd transition to go from D-III HC to NFL offensive assistant, but roughly lateral. If anything, successful HCs at small college schools will make their way up the college ranks, and then jump to the pros at a position like offensive coordinator.

Just because it's the road less traveled doesn't mean he's going to slip on the ice and crack his neck. (Sorry about the metaphor, it's been a really messy week up here.) The reason that this is the road less traveled is because people who hold a head coaching position usually don't have the ego to swallow their pride and jump to the NFL where you are outranked by every other coach in the organization. The fact that this guy did that really speaks volumes about his character.

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[quote=jsarno;421689]For instance, if a High School coach takes his team to state every year, does that mean he deserves a job at the NFL level? After all, he scouted his team and coached his team to the best of it's ability, and obviously has a great eye for talent. I say no, call it the big Spurrier blunder burnt on my mind. SPurrier was an AMAZING college coach, and it didn't even remotely translate to the NFL. That was only 1 step he had to take too. D3 is just about 1 step above High School football. So while he did do a great job with what he had, how do we know it will translate to the NFL?
Please keep in mind I am not against this hiring, my concern lies with Zorn being HC with no experience then hiring people to surround him with no experience to compliment him. I'm all for giving both of them a shot, but Zorn at HC has me scratching my head.[/quote]
Thanks. I see where you are coming from and I know you are usually pretty optimistic. Just a couple of thoughts; Spurrier had a great system and really had no trouble recruiting, but he just didn't have the work ethic for the NFL and was spoiled by usually having far superior talent to the teams he played against. When he made the transition to the NFL, he couldn't adjust his system to the talent level of NFL defensive players and he got out. I'll never forget the comment he made, I think in reference to Jim Haslett, about "working smarter". That definitely bit him in the @ss.

I expect Meidt will bring good football knowledge to staff and at the level he is coming in at is probably over-qualified. He definitely won't hurt us, if he stinks he'll be let go.

While I think Zorn will work out, I would really love to know what went on behind closed doors in the interview process. Why didn't things work out with GW? Why not Meeks? What did they really think of Spags? Why didn't they pull the trigger on Fassel? (Why didn't they talk to Ron Rivera....my pet gripe) LOL. We'll never know, just speculate and bottom-line hope Zorn brings us the Lombardi trophy.

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Interesting read on Meidt:

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/02/new_skins_asst_loves_the_onsid.html#more]New Skins Asst. Loves the Onside Kick, Jesus - D.C. Sports Bog[/url]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421766]Interesting read on Meidt:

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/02/new_skins_asst_loves_the_onsid.html#more]New Skins Asst. Loves the Onside Kick, Jesus - D.C. Sports Bog[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow...So it turns out GTripp's real name is Chris Meidt

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;421694]But the issue here isn't about why he deserves a shot, it's about why (if for any reason) he doesn't.

It's an odd transition to go from D-III HC to NFL offensive assistant, but roughly lateral. If anything, successful HCs at small college schools will make their way up the college ranks, and then jump to the pros at a position like offensive coordinator.

Just because it's the road less traveled doesn't mean he's going to slip on the ice and crack his neck. (Sorry about the metaphor, it's been a really messy week up here.) The reason that this is the road less traveled is because people who hold a head coaching position usually don't have the ego to swallow their pride and jump to the NFL where you are outranked by every other coach in the organization. The fact that this guy did that really speaks volumes about his character.[/QUOTE]


But I thought Zorn and Meidt are friends making this an easy move?
I disagree that the move from D3 to offensive assistant is lateral. The move from QB coach in a D1 team to the NFL is lateral. So why are the Skins brass so eager to skip steps with these new coaches? How come no one is really questioning the fact that they are taking the road much, much, MUCH less travelled?
(again, not saying Meidt is a bad choice, it's just an assistant spot, but the point still remains.)

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421701]Thanks. I see where you are coming from and I know you are usually pretty optimistic. Just a couple of thoughts; Spurrier had a great system and really had no trouble recruiting, but he just didn't have the work ethic for the NFL and was spoiled by usually having far superior talent to the teams he played against. When he made the transition to the NFL, he couldn't adjust his system to the talent level of NFL defensive players and he got out. I'll never forget the comment he made, I think in reference to Jim Haslett, about "working smarter". That definitely bit him in the @ss.

I expect Meidt will bring good football knowledge to staff and at the level he is coming in at is probably over-qualified. He definitely won't hurt us, if he stinks he'll be let go.

While I think Zorn will work out, I would really love to know what went on behind closed doors in the interview process. Why didn't things work out with GW? Why not Meeks? What did they really think of Spags? Why didn't they pull the trigger on Fassel? (Why didn't they talk to Ron Rivera....my pet gripe) LOL. We'll never know, just speculate and bottom-line hope Zorn brings us the Lombardi trophy.[/QUOTE]

Good questions!
How come Mooch wasn't hired? I really thought he was going to get it cause he seemed the most qualified, especially with the west coast system.
By the way, who did we interview that was a minority?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;421968]Good questions!
How come Mooch wasn't hired? I really thought he was going to get it cause he seemed the most qualified, especially with the west coast system.
By the way, who did we interview that was a minority?[/QUOTE]

Ron Meeks

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421969]Ron Meeks[/QUOTE]

The DC of the Colts is a minority? Damn...guess I'm not paying enough attention.

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I heard he's been a black man his whole life

[IMG]http://espndeportes-akamai.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0303/w_RonMeeks_v.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421998]I heard he's been a black man his whole life

[IMG]http://espndeportes-akamai.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0303/w_RonMeeks_v.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Well played Matty...well played

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421998]I heard he's been a black man his whole life

[IMG]http://espndeportes-akamai.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0303/w_RonMeeks_v.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

If he takes a team to the Super Bowl will he have to answer the question, 'How long have you been a black coach?'

Back on topic, I don't know how/why people are viewing this as a bad thing.. Guys, football is football.. NFL, NCAA Div I, NAIA Div III, it doesn't matter.. It's blocking and tackling, that's it.. If the guy is a football svengali and brings a cerebral approach to the game then so be it if he improves an aspect of the game. He's not calling timeouts or throwing challenge flags so what's the issue.

I'm sure most of us have that guy at work who seems to always be in the boss's ear and we all wonder, 'what the hell does he actually do' but he is invaluable to the company's success.