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skinsguy 02-14-2008 08:02 PM

Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
I have to admit, the only defensive talent that comes to mind in the draft is Chris Long. Would love it if the Redskins were able to draft him (but that's probably not going to happen.)

Anyways, I still believe our most pressing need is to upgrade our defensive line. We need young legs, strength and a lot speed up front. Who do you guys think the Redskins will go after in both free agency and the draft to address our needs on defense?

Redskin Warrior 02-14-2008 08:34 PM

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Well I feel Chris Long is not a long shot at all. Plus the fact that the Dolphins are listening to trade down anyway & the Bengals doesn't plan to trade CJ. To me DE is the next big need to fill go for it DS.

Meks 02-14-2008 08:47 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
i say we draft that corner.... that ball hawk corner i forget his name, saw it on NFL network tho the "experts" think we should take him

skinsguy 02-14-2008 08:52 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
One thing I think about drafting another player in the safety is this...if we have a strong defensive line that puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback, we're not going to need another Darrell Green or Champ Bailey. What we have in Springs and Smoot will be good enough.

EARTHQUAKE2689 02-14-2008 09:18 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[quote=Meks;422370]i say we draft that corner.... that ball hawk corner i forget his name, saw it on NFL network tho the "experts" think we should take him[/quote]


aqib talib and SmootSmack would be giddy if we did.

SmootSmack 02-14-2008 09:29 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;422378]aquib talib and SmootSmack would be giddy if we did.[/QUOTE]

Yup :)

Him or Cason in the 1st round. People will complain that we're not drafting a DE, but that's ok. The offseason isn't just about the first round of the draft. There are several ways to address many of our needs

EARTHQUAKE2689 02-14-2008 09:39 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;422387]Yup :)

Him or Cason in the 1st round.[B] People will complain that we're not drafting a DE, but that's ok. The offseason isn't just about the first round of the draft. There are several ways to address many of our needs[/B][/quote]


And that is the point that so many people overlook.

Big C 02-14-2008 09:40 PM

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aquib talib is our guy i hope. playmaking cb

EARTHQUAKE2689 02-14-2008 09:49 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;422387]Yup :)

Him or Cason in the 1st round. People will complain that we're not drafting a DE, but that's ok. The offseason isn't just about the first round of the draft. There are several ways to address many of our needs[/quote]


Talib has better hands but cason is faster its win win in my book.

WaldSkins 02-14-2008 09:50 PM

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id rather take talib, he seems more physical

SmootSmack 02-14-2008 10:03 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
Cason may not make it past the Cardinals at 16. And if Talib has a good combine he may not be there at 21 either.

Hopefully one of them will though. If not, then maybe someone like Mike Jenkins would slide down

SBXVII 02-14-2008 10:19 PM

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If we are talking defense only then I would suggest CB, DE, or DL. We will need one more CB due to Rogers being out. They are not even sure if Rogers will come back and be the same. If he's not the same then we atleast have a plan. If he's just a new then we will have our CB for the future.

We need a DE to accompany Carter. This would definitly be awsome. Who was the fill in during the Seatle game. I think he did pretty good. Perhaps just a little more playing time.

We need DL due to the fact that Daniels and Griffin are older and somehow hurt often. One of them always is having back spasms. Time to get younger. This is the year to bring in young blood and start rotating them to get experience.

Our S turned out to be pretty good. I like what we had even though it was make shift. Perhaps more playing time and the dynamic duo will be awsome. With more of a rush from the line and they might get more interceptions.

Offense has a lot of needs also though. I'm hoping Mix turns out to be a gem especially in this offense however I think we need an experienced tall talented possession WR. Mix was a rookie last year and he will need to time to be excellent.

Our OL is getting old as well. Time to start looking for young blood there also. Even if we can just rotate them in on games that we are blowing away the competition to get experience.

We need to lose Brunell and Collins. Maybe Collins will follow AS. Brunell will be a cap casualty(hopefully). Lets get younger there also. I like Campbell I think he will be great in this offense. I hope the Marylander we picked up last year...Sam Hollenbach turns out to be good also in this offense. Then we can pick up a #3 in a late round or pick one up that was not drafted.

T.O.Killa 02-14-2008 10:45 PM

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I have said it before, we need to get Corey Williams. I think we should draft a DE. We keep springs for one more year and draft a corner next year. We need to take Oline in the next two rounds.

redsk1 02-15-2008 09:21 AM

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Chris Long may go 1st per NFL Network. Top 5 lock though. I wouldn't be upset if we somehow got Chris Long as long as we didn't give away too much. He's can rush the passer, he's can stuff the run, he's ultra competitive, and he's a class act. I'd be really happy to get him.

Campbell17 02-15-2008 10:17 AM

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Lawrence Jackson from USC would be a great first round pick. I want him to be a skin, and he would asses a big hole at DE.

halodoc 02-15-2008 10:27 AM

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;422431]I have said it before, we need to get Corey Williams. I think we should draft a DE. We keep springs for one more year and draft a corner next year. We need to take Oline in the next two rounds.[/QUOTE]

i agree on getting c.willliams hes an up and commer, and wont be as overpriced as some other vets like justin smith or jevon kerse if the end up relesing him.also pick up some depth for our outside lb pos. plenty oflb in free agency and draft. while other teams swallow up the big names - l.briggs ,calvin pace ,al wilson (if healty same as dan morgon)t.suggs(proberly franchised)jon vilma (if traded and ian gold),zach thomas ,ect.we can pick up a possible starter / decent backup like -reggie tobar ,victor hobson ,rocky boiman ,boss bailey or clark higgins. and nothing much on off ,maybe wr dj hackett and ot max starks.
so saying we get dj wr ,max ot ,coery dt ,victor olb ( which shouldn't break the bank) i would love to draft talib cb, but after the combine and no clear cut superstar at the pos hell never fall to us. so maybe d rodgers cromatie cb ,but proberly still go de like d.harvey , or c.campell .then in 2nd rnd if didnt get a de get one now like c.ellis or l jackson. if we did get a de then a db like b.flowers,c.godfrey ,d.morgon ,j.adams ,t.zbikowski. so 1st 2 rnds go de and db and then pick up a wr and ol later. wr later could be m.urruttia ,m.monk,l.leggit or d.bess. ol h.bendict ,p.sosa ,j.greco , r.felton ,c.reinhart.
so def would look like this -
dt-c.griffin ,c.williams,a.montgemry,k.goldstin
de-a.carter,c.campell,p.daneils,d.evans
olb-m.wasighton,r.mcintosh(if healthy),v.hobson,k.campell
ilb-l.flecter,hd.blades
cb-springs,smoot,rodgers(if heathy),d.macklin
s-l.landry,reed doughty ,v.fox,t.zbikowski

and the off will be same persoanl plus depth at ol and an extra wr or two.

Campbell17 02-15-2008 10:38 AM

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We dont need any older players, we are trying to become an even younger team right now.

skinsguy 02-15-2008 11:55 AM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
I'll admit, I'm very lazy (and at work right now so I can play on the internet TOO much.)

Can someone post the top CBs in the draft and their stats?

killromo 02-15-2008 12:16 PM

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[QUOTE=Big C;422395]aquib talib is our guy i hope. playmaking cb[/QUOTE]

Let's take the jayhawk. Riggo will get wood

killromo 02-15-2008 12:20 PM

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I like zbikowski too. I mean pro boxer, hard hitting safety. the kid is tough as nails, sure he is a little slow but might be a steal in the later rounds. Although he may be snatched prematurely because of the gold helmet. Either way I think he has some intangibles that shouldn't be overlooked

T.O.Killa 02-15-2008 12:22 PM

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ok from what I just heard on Redskins radio we wont get a DE in the Draft, but we will be getting another db. Which would be 25 years in a row we take a db in the first round. He did say a priority would be pressure up the middle, which sounds like Corey williams.

SmootSmack 02-15-2008 12:32 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;422572]ok from what I just heard on Redskins radio we wont get a DE in the Draft, but we will be getting another db. Which would be 25 years in a row we take a db in the first round. He did say a priority would be pressure up the middle, which sounds like Corey williams.[/QUOTE]

In the draft...or in the first round of the draft?

T.O.Killa 02-15-2008 12:34 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;422580]In the draft...or in the first round of the draft?[/quote]
He said in the draft, but I think he ment first unless his guy is not there, but he said priority number 1 is db, 2 is dt, and 3 is de.

SmootSmack 02-15-2008 12:43 PM

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Personally, I'd swap the second and third priorities

SkinsFanSince91 02-15-2008 12:43 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[QUOTE=Big C;422395]aquib talib is our guy i hope. playmaking cb[/QUOTE]

He is cool, but there is a youtube clip of him getting "smoked" by Jordy Nelson( who we need to draft by the way). We can do better in the 3rd round looking for a corner. Just as long as we draft one, we should be cool.

[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo]YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib[/url]

T.O.Killa 02-15-2008 12:46 PM

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Does anyone think that this means that Springs will be cut? I dont see why this would be a priority if Spring and Smoot are here

SkinsFanSince91 02-15-2008 12:52 PM

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;422593]Does anyone think that this means that Springs will be cut? I dont see why this would be a priority if Spring and Smoot are here[/QUOTE]

Its a priority because our corners are all pushing 30, if they arent there already.

Its just a position that we need to get younger at.

freddyg12 02-15-2008 01:02 PM

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Full disclosure, I'm a Hokie, but objectively, Brandon Flowers, CB, Va. TEch, is a jr. in the draft who if he stayed his sr. year would likely be a definite 1st rounder. His early projection is 2nd round at best. This kind of player - underclassman w/lots of talent - is the kind of value you build a team on. He won't be anything more than a nickel back his first year, but will be a starter in 2-3 years. I would love to see him in b&g.

MonkFan4Life 02-15-2008 01:03 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[quote=SkinsFanSince91;422597]Its a priority because our corners are all pushing 30, if they arent there already.

Its just a position that we need to get younger at.[/quote]

True, also no one knows how Carlos will be after returning from his injury. So I understand corner being a priority. I hope we either sit at #21 or catch a team who wants to move up around that time and gather a couple later round picks. You can't hit on all of them every draft but I guess the more chances the better. If no one wants #21 we still have it. No reason to move up because we'll be giving up something to get something which many don't want us to do for a proven vet as it is. There are no absolutes in this game, only guesses. Some easier than others but we have to wait and see.Patience is a virtue.

Eknox 02-15-2008 03:44 PM

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Cromartie, he looks to be a playmaker on the rise like his cousin Antonio for San Diego

GTripp0012 02-15-2008 05:05 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
I think Zbikowski is going to be very happy that he played all four years of his college eligibility. He could have been a higher draft pick if he had come out after his second season, but he wasn't ready to make the move, and would have been a disaster as an NFL safety (still would have been a valuable Punt Ret guy).

As it stands now, he's not going to be a first round pick, but ultimately when the draft process runs it's course, I think he will be a second or third rounder and probably the 4th or 5th safety off the board.

The Redskins [I]could[/I] use Zbikowski, but they certainly don't need him, nor do they need a safety in general. Just as a fan of the guy, for personal reasons, I think Washington would be a good fit for him.

Dirtbag59 02-15-2008 05:45 PM

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Has anyway mentioned Antwaan Odom. He has the size to play Left DE (270+), he also is coming off a year where he had 8 sacks. On top of that he's entering his prime at 27 years old. I say we make a play for him should he hit the open market.

WaldSkins 02-15-2008 06:06 PM

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what about signing newly released Bryon Leftwich to backup jason campbell. Long time redskins fan would get the chance to play for his favorite team.

SmootSmack 02-15-2008 06:13 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
[QUOTE=WaldSkins;422707]what about signing newly released Bryon Leftwich to backup jason campbell. Long time redskins fan would get the chance to play for his favorite team.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't really answer the issue that this thread is about, addressing needs on defense

WaldSkins 02-15-2008 06:24 PM

Re: Who do we sign on defense? FA/Draft?
 
whoops, didnt see the word defense. ok, well id like to see who doesnt get franchised. there could be alot of good free agents out there, Id like us to go after jared allen from kc. he's a beast. Then id use the first pick on talib, second on de, and so on. With out a doubt i think our top need goin into this season is going to be a DB. We have no depth behind springs and smoot, and both are injury prone.

redsk1 02-15-2008 06:35 PM

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Haven't done the research but heard a few weeks ago that Atari Bigby is a FA (apologize if i'm wrong). That guy can light some people up, but haven't really seen him play too much.

That Guy 02-16-2008 01:28 PM

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i wouldn't be happy with talib. DE is so deep this draft, there's a safety that can really play, and cromartie is probably the best cb in the draft (and more likely to be there at 21).

That Guy 02-16-2008 01:29 PM

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[quote=redsk1;422718]Haven't done the research but heard a few weeks ago that Atari Bigby is a FA (apologize if i'm wrong). That guy can light some people up, but haven't really seen him play too much.[/quote]

he'll be re-signed by GB i imagine. they like him.


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