How about Bryant Johnson?
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjohnson/profile?id=JOH086211]Bryant Johnson[/url]

Bryant Johnson would be a great pick up for our team. I know he doesn't have huge stats but he was stuck behind Bolden and Fitz in Arizona. Everytime there was an injury he filled in more than adequetly. He has great hands, he goes across the middle, he can leap, good size, he's young, he knows the west coast system (denny green era), he wouldn't demand a huge contract, and it would free up another draft pick. I know I am going to get called a homer cause he is a Nittany Lion but he was a great college player and would really fill a need for our team.

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good player... a bit shaky on it tho ... what if he doesnt produce?

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I'm torn on him. He's a really good #3 receiver, but does he have the consistency to be a #1/#2?

I'm not saying he's a bust, because he's not. But there's a perception that he was some unheralded late pick who worked his way into the rotation with Boldin and Fitzgerald. But that's not the case. He was a top 20 pick who's firmly entrenched as the 3rd receiver behind Fitz and Boldin. I guess my question would be why isn't he really seen as more than a #3 WR?

I wouldn't hate having him here, just torn on whether he should be a priority.

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^i 2nd, didnt feel like typing all that lol

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Bryant Johnson or Earnst Wilford is exactly what the redskins need, either one would be a good fit with our small recievers. Keep Caldwell, start developing espy and mix, draft a WR with some later picks (Jason Rivers from Hawaii would be a good 5th round pick), and cut thrash, lloyd, and Mcardell

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Well if we're going to use a second on Devin Thomas or Jordy Nelson, then I suggest that we use that pick to try and pick up Roy Williams. Or better yet try to get Williams for a third round pick and use the 2nd round to draft a Guard after taking a guy like Kentwaan Blamber (who is probably being targeted by the Skins for their first pick).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424423] I guess my question would be why isn't he really seen as more than a #3 WR?

I wouldn't hate having him here, just torn on whether he should be a priority.[/QUOTE]

Because he has Bolden and Fitzgerald in front of him. It's not like he couldn't beat out James Thrash and Reche Caldwell. He is 3rd behind two perennial all pro WR's.

As long as he doesn't expect bolden or fitzgerald money, There is no reason not to get him.

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[QUOTE=jamf;424428]Because he has Bolden and Fitzgerald in front of him. It's not like he couldn't beat out James Thrash and Reche Caldwell. He is 3rd behind two perennial all pro WR's.

As long as he doesn't expect bolden or fitzgerald money, There is no reason not to get him.[/QUOTE]

But that's sort of my point. I mean I know Fitz was like a top 3 pick, but Boldin was a late 2nd (early 3rd?) round pick. And I'm not putting Boldin down by any means. I think he's awesome. All I'm saying is Johnson was pretty highly regarded coming out of college and drafted accordingly so is the reason he's #3 because he's behind Fitz and Boldin, or is it because he's underachieved and doesn't have the consistency to be any better?

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johnson was third behind two great receivers in Boldin and Fitz. Both of them are better then the recievers we have. If he's a third on that roster, he's at least a #2 receiver on ours

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I was thinking the same thing about Johnson. I would have Roy Williams or Javon Walker because both have proven that they can be a number 1. On top of that D.J. Hackett would be probably the best signing since he knows Zorn's offense and he is a big receiver and will not cost us any draft picks.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424429]But that's sort of my point. I mean I know Fitz was like a top 3 pick, but Boldin was a late 2nd (early 3rd?) round pick. And I'm not putting Boldin down by any means. I think he's awesome. All I'm saying is Johnson was pretty highly regarded coming out of college and drafted accordingly so is the reason he's #3 because he's behind Fitz and Boldin, or is it because he's underachieved and doesn't have the consistency to be any better?[/QUOTE]

I see what you are trying to say, every story has 2 sides which side is Johnsons? Here are his stats for games that he had to start for either Boldin or Fitzgerald.

FILLING IN FOR BOLDIN:
WK4 vs. PITT 4rec. 40yds. 0TD's
WK5 @ STL 6rec. 80yds. 0TD's
WK6 vs. CAR 4rec. 29yds. 0TD's
WK14 @ SEA 1rec. 5yds. 1TD

FILLING IN FOR FITZGERALD:
WK13 vs. CLE 6rec. 56yds. 1TD

And you can look up on NFL.COM for the rest of last season stats for Johnson , but the question remains...

Is he a good WR stuck behind 2 pro-bowlers, or is he nothing more than an average 3rd WR?

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I still like Hackett more.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;424431]I was thinking the same thing about Johnson. I would have Roy Williams or Javon Walker because both have proven that they can be a number 1. On top of that D.J. Hackett would be probably the best signing since he knows Zorn's offense and he is a big receiver and will not cost us any draft picks.[/QUOTE]

If there is any chance in hell that we could get Roy Williams by all means we should...

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[quote=Redskins8588;424435]If there is any chance in hell that we could get Roy Williams by all means we should...[/quote]

Apparently the asking price is a 2nd round pick, but given that the trade would help Detroit get salary cap space as well as compenstation for a guy they won't resign then I'd say that its possible to get him for a third round pick. Either way second or third is a small price to pay for a proven #1 WR. Especially considering that we would concievably use one of those picks on a rookie that history tells us probably won't pan out.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424429]But that's sort of my point. I mean I know Fitz was like a top 3 pick, but Boldin was a late 2nd (early 3rd?) round pick. And I'm not putting Boldin down by any means. I think he's awesome. All I'm saying is Johnson was pretty highly regarded coming out of college and drafted accordingly so is the reason he's #3 because he's behind Fitz and Boldin, or is it because he's underachieved and doesn't have the consistency to be any better?[/QUOTE]

I think it's less an indictment of his skills as much as it is a testament to how deep Arizona's WR core really is. It's fair to say that BJ hasn't achieved a level of success consistent with being a top 20 pick, but that doesn't matter at this point because he isn't going to command a contract commensurate with his draft position anyway. The fact is Arizona has perhaps the best starting tandem in the league and Johnson isn't good enough to start there. Boldin was a second round pick but he was also rookie of the year so there's no shame in being behind him on the depth chart. Still, Johnson is a big solid hard-worker with the potential to excel as a compliment to our smaller shiftier guys.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;424436]Apparently the asking price is a 2nd round pick, but given that the trade would help Detroit get salary cap space as well as compenstation for a guy they won't resign then I'd say that its possible to get him for a third round pick. Either way second or third is a small price to pay for a proven #1 WR. Especially considering that we would concievably use one of those picks on a rookie that history tells us probably won't pan out.[/QUOTE]

IMO, I would be all over that with our 2nd round pick. I know that just about everyone on here would be up in arms, but who would we get in the 2nd round that could produce like Williams? If you put Williams in an offense that had a good QB, not an average one like Kitna, he would be a monster in the NFL...

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What about Andre Davis of the texans? the guy was money for the texans and caught everything thrown his way,especially looked good on the deep ball,plus he's a great return man also,I think he's 6'1" or 6'2" 195 .He was in a contract year and the texans cant afford to pay him more than 3rd wr money

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[quote=Redskins8588;424439]IMO, I would be all over that with our 2nd round pick. I know that just about everyone on here would be up in arms, but who would we get in the 2nd round that could produce like Williams? If you put Williams in an offense that had a good QB, not an average one like Kitna, he would be a monster in the NFL...[/quote]

I don't think that many people would be up in arms. I think it would be pretty well received. Do we have good info that Williams is still on the block? I know that was the rumor a while ago, still valid?

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[quote=htownskinfan;424441]What about Andre Davis of the texans? the guy was money for the texans and caught everything thrown his way,especially looked good on the deep ball,plus he's a great return man also,I think he's 6'1" or 6'2" 195 .He was in a contract year and the [b]texans cant afford to pay him more than 3rd wr money[/b][/quote]

Maybe the Hokie fans would be excited, but I'd say no one should pay Davis more than 3rd WR money ... since he is nothing more than a 3rd WR ...

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I love the thought of getting this guy. Everyone is always concerned that we need a number one reciever. I think what we need is a possession reciever, and Johnson could be that guy. It would be hard for anyone to shine, with Bolden and Fitzgerald. I also think that the Redskins recievers are very underated. Its up to Jason Campbell to improve, for them to shine.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;424442]I don't think that many people would be up in arms. I think it would be pretty well received. Do we have good info that Williams is still on the block? I know that was the rumor a while ago, still valid?[/quote]

Seems like the Lions are engaging in a "tough negotiation stance." However the way I see it, the guys pretty much there for the taking especially with the price for elite WR's set at a 4th round pick. Second Round pick should be enough to "blow them away."

[url=http://www.allphiladelphiasports.com/blog.php?bid=327]All Philadelphia Sports :: Report denies Roy Williams trade rumors[/url]

[url=http://www.prideofdetroit.com/story/2008/1/29/234932/793]Pride Of Detroit :: A Detroit Lions Blog[/url]


"Other news includes the rumor that Lions wide receiver [B]Roy Williams[/B] is on the trading block, and one report said Detroit would look for a second-round pick in return. Williams played for two seasons under former Lions offensive coordinator [B]Mike Martz[/B], who's now with the 49ers, so would the 49ers look to make a deal for Williams?"

Should we start a Roy Williams thread, because the Bryant Johnson thread is getting jacked?

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naw... i'd pass... Wilford or draft a big guy with the #4 pick...

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We need a WR we all agree, Roy Williams, D.J. Hackett or Bryant Johnson all have good height & excellent potential whoever cost the least take that one, we need the draft picks for DL & OL

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williams for a 2nd is a decent idea... lets trade lloyd for a 5th.... HAHAHA *SMH*

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he wouldn't make a huge impact on our passing offense. not really a huge upgrade on either starting spot.

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[quote=Mattyk72;424434]I still like Hackett more.[/quote]

i agree and he has a history with Zorn

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[QUOTE=bigm29;424572]i agree and he has a history with Zorn[/QUOTE]


I will 3rd that notion. Big names are just that, and not willing to play their role. Hackett will play his part and leave us draft picks for other needs because lets face it we have a few. I think lineman are a top priority as JC needs to get the ball to this stud receiving corps we are all playing fantasy football in our minds with. Not to mention too many big personalities will certainly throw our team into a tailspin with our less than experienced head coach.

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[quote=Redskins8588;424432]I see what you are trying to say, every story has 2 sides which side is Johnsons? Here are his stats for games that he had to start for either Boldin or Fitzgerald.

FILLING IN FOR BOLDIN:
WK4 vs. PITT 4rec. 40yds. 0TD's
WK5 @ STL 6rec. 80yds. 0TD's
WK6 vs. CAR 4rec. 29yds. 0TD's
WK14 @ SEA 1rec. 5yds. 1TD

FILLING IN FOR FITZGERALD:
WK13 vs. CLE 6rec. 56yds. 1TD

And you can look up on NFL.COM for the rest of last season stats for Johnson , but the question remains...

Is he a good WR stuck behind 2 pro-bowlers, or is he nothing more than an average 3rd WR?[/quote]

Math is your friend:

Those 5 games extrapolated to a 16-game season, making the assumption he'd start for 16 games, that would translate into:

67 Catches, 672 Yards, 6.4 TDs (as the #2 WR on the team, after all, either Boldin or Fitz were on the field the whole time opposite Johnson).

That's a nice possession receiver and a big RZ target, given that Moss would still be your #1 and Randle-El would look real nice in the slot. And you'd end up paying Johnson like the #3 WR on our team (he'd make less than Moss & ARE).

Seems like the perfect thing for our WCO.

Anyone who thinks we're going to magically acquire a WR not named Chad Johnson or Randy Moss, and who will put up over 1000 yards for us is delusional. Bryant Johnson would fit in real well, especially for the money.

I think DJ Hackett is capable of very similar production and is probably a better fit given familiarity with Zorn. But Johnson is exactly the kind of guy we need.

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[quote=That Guy;424483]he wouldn't make a huge impact on our passing offense. not really a huge upgrade on either starting spot.[/quote]

Impact won't be huge, and the paycheck won't be huge.

It would have the following subtle impacts:[LIST][*]Give JC a big target aside from Cooley and Sellers in the RZ. We'd actually have a WR capable of running a fade, forcing DBs to respect that route in the red zone.[*]Reduce the burden on ARE, allowing him to move to the slot more, hopefully allowing him to find more space to run after the catch.[*]Give us the 3rd WR option that Lloyd was supposed to provide us.[*]Assuming we keep Caldwell, would actually give us a 4-WR package that's worth a darn.[*]Avoid the typical 3-year learning curve that comes with drafting a WR.[/LIST]Johnson or Hackett would do similar things for us, with a better learning curve with Hackett.

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And did I mention that he (or Hackett) would add key depth for when Santana Moss will inevitably miss a few games.

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[quote=PSUskinsfan11;424421][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjohnson/profile?id=JOH086211"]Bryant Johnson[/URL]

Bryant Johnson would be a great pick up for our team. I know he doesn't have huge stats but he was stuck behind Bolden and Fitz in Arizona. Everytime there was an injury he filled in more than adequetly. He has great hands, he goes across the middle, he can leap, good size, he's young, he knows the west coast system (denny green era), he wouldn't demand a huge contract, and it would free up another draft pick. I know I am going to get called a homer cause he is a Nittany Lion but he was a great college player and would really fill a need for our team.[/quote]

What he did in college has nothing to do with professional football. He just hasn't shown enough to deserve a big contract. We already paid big $ to ARE and Lloyd and both have never ever shown anything to deserve it. I hope our FO is real careful chasing FA Wr's. But you know someone that has some $ to spend is going to overpay him. I hope it's not us.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;424448]Seems like the Lions are engaging in a "tough negotiation stance." However the way I see it, the guys pretty much there for the taking especially with the price for elite WR's set at a 4th round pick. Second Round pick should be enough to "blow them away."

[URL="http://www.allphiladelphiasports.com/blog.php?bid=327"]All Philadelphia Sports :: Report denies Roy Williams trade rumors[/URL]

[URL="http://www.prideofdetroit.com/story/2008/1/29/234932/793"]Pride Of Detroit :: A Detroit Lions Blog[/URL]


"Other news includes the rumor that Lions wide receiver [B]Roy Williams[/B] is on the trading block, and one report said Detroit would look for a second-round pick in return. Williams played for two seasons under former Lions offensive coordinator [B]Mike Martz[/B], who's now with the 49ers, so would the 49ers look to make a deal for Williams?"

Should we start a Roy Williams thread, because the Bryant Johnson thread is getting jacked?[/quote]

No because it's not going to happen. Det. is entertaining offers. That doesn't mean a damn thing. Every team would entertain offers for almost anyone. NE might entertain offers for Tom Brady if someone gave up 5 1st round draft picks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;424587]What he did in college has nothing to do with professional football. He just hasn't shown enough to deserve a big contract. We already paid big $ to ARE and Lloyd and both have never ever shown anything to deserve it. I hope our FO is real careful chasing FA Wr's. But you know someone that has some $ to spend is going to overpay him. I hope it's not us.[/quote]

I would agree that we overpaid for Lloyd because he hasn't done anything more than James Thrash has.

But the ARE contract, $10 million bonus, is about right for a #2 WR these days. I would disagree with the notion that we're not getting our money's worth from him.

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I like Bryant Johnson. I think he's ready to step up his game. I also like D.J. Hackett too. Attitude and productivity goes a long way. Randle El;s game is a testament to that.

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[quote=Schneed10;424593]I would agree that we overpaid for Lloyd because he hasn't done anything more than James Thrash has.

But the ARE contract, $10 million bonus, is about right for a #2 WR these days. I would disagree with the notion that we're not getting our money's worth from him.[/quote]

I would say in general we haven't got enough production out of all the wr's the last two years.

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700 yards for a number two isn't bad... but 200 from lloyd in 06 is awful.... I would definately say we're getting our moneys worth for Randle El.. this is only his second year being a true wr and he improved dramatically from 06.

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Granted 194 of them came in the first game against miami, but still..

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[quote=skinsfan69;424657]I would say in general we haven't got enough production out of all the wr's the last two years.[/quote]

OK, then that's really an indictment of Brandon Lloyd more than anything, and to some extent Santana Moss. But unless you're alleging Bryant Johnson is going to be another Brandon Lloyd, that's no reason not to sign him.

I just don't get your point, it's not making any sense. What are you suggesting the Skins do about it?

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[quote=Schneed10;424692]OK, then that's really an indictment of Brandon Lloyd more than anything, and to some extent Santana Moss. But unless you're alleging Bryant Johnson is going to be another Brandon Lloyd, that's no reason not to sign him.

I just don't get your point, it's not making any sense. What are you suggesting the Skins do about it?[/quote]

My point is this. For two straight years SM has been somewhat average to below average. Lloyd has been a complete 100% bust. ARE has barely over 1,000 yards receiving in two years. So why go out and sign ANOTHER FA WR that is unproven? If we're going to go the FA route to find yet another WR, I'd just rather go out and get a guy that WE KNOW once he gets on the field he's going to PRODUCE. I can't say that about B. Johnson or Earnest Wilford. Why bother chasing guys that we might already have?

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[LEFT]You know what? Screw Bryant Johnson! He's just another number in a long line of jackass's that played high school ball in Maryland and then left to go to college out of state. I would include Carmelo with the Yellow, but he grew up in New York so I can't blame him for Syracuse.[/LEFT]

Thats right Kevin Durant, I'm talking about you (Born in DC, went to High School in Rockville) and you go to TEXAS?!! Who's in Texas? At least settle for Georgetown. GD. I'm also talking to you AJ Wallace. Derrick Williams. Derrick Harvey. Victtor Abiamiri! Lamaar Thomas! Joe Haden! Anthony McCalin! Tywon Lawson! Uche Echefu!