Greg Blache stands up to Cerrato and Synder...
 

If what JLC is saying about Cerrato and Synder below is true, thank God that Greg Blatche and Gregg Williams had enough sense to stand up to them. I am worried if personnel decision making is back in the hands of Synder if what JLC says is actually true below...


"Blache, when working with former assistant head coach-defense [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Gregg+Williams?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Gregg Williams[/COLOR][/URL] the past four years, put a premium on acquiring teachable players. Last season, for instance, owner [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Daniel+Snyder?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Daniel Snyder[/COLOR][/URL] and Cerrato were enamored with several veteran linemen who became available -- [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Simeon+Rice?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Simeon Rice[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Sam+Adams?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Sam Adams[/COLOR][/URL] and Corey Simon, in particular. But Blache and Williams staunchly resisted acquiring those players, with age, work habits and/or selfishness an issue (none of the bunch came close to being productive in 2007)."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/20/AR2008022002837.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Bill B;424514]If what JLC is saying about Cerrato and Synder below is true, thank God that Greg Blatche and Gregg Williams had enough sense to stand up to them. I am worried if personnel decision making is back in the hands of Synder if what JLC says is actually true below...


"Blache, when working with former assistant head coach-defense [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Gregg+Williams?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Gregg Williams[/COLOR][/URL] the past four years, put a premium on acquiring teachable players. Last season, for instance, owner [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Daniel+Snyder?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Daniel Snyder[/COLOR][/URL] and Cerrato were enamored with several veteran linemen who became available -- [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Simeon+Rice?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Simeon Rice[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Sam+Adams?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0000ff]Sam Adams[/COLOR][/URL] and Corey Simon, in particular. But Blache and Williams staunchly resisted acquiring those players, with age, work habits and/or selfishness an issue (none of the bunch came close to being productive in 2007)."

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url][/QUOTE]

Cerrato is only around because he will reinforce Snyders inability to asses talent, neither has a clue about talent evaluation.

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If that is true, then our only hope is Greg Blatche, because he'll be the only one that can stand up to those two. But on the bright side, remember that Vinny has acknowledged that the blame will go to him if something goes wrong. I guess time will tell if we will see absolutely retarded moves like those go down, which I hope not. Then again JLC could just be going on his "Snyder and Cerrato" agenda again.

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Greg Blache is lobbying for a YOUNG DT... and A. Odom from Tenn.

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Or maybe this is just an indication that the front office listens to the coaches on personnel?

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[quote=Mattyk72;424529]Or maybe this is just an indication that the front office listens to the coaches on personnel?[/quote]
as they have in the past....Brunell (Gibbs), Lloyd & ARE (Saunders), Archuletta (GW). These moves were all pushed for by coaches.

I guess it's the off-season and there isn't much to write about until the combine & FA on March 1st so we pass the time with "Snyderatto" bashing.

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[QUOTE=HOGTIMUS PRIME;424523]Cerrato is only around because he will reinforce Snyders inability to asses talent, neither has a clue about talent evaluation.[/QUOTE]

Like all the desk jockies at the Warpath do...

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So big time free agents hit the market, the owner is willing to spend the money to get them as they fill an immediate need on the team, the coaches say no these aren't the kind of guys we are looking for, the owner and VP both say OK, they dont get signed, and this is a problem???

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[quote=djnemo65;424538]So big time free agents hit the market, the owner is willing to spend the money to get them as they fill an immediate need on the team, the coaches say no these aren't the kind of guys we are looking for, the owner and VP both say OK, they dont get signed, and this is a problem???[/quote]

Only when it's the Redskins.

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[quote=Mattyk72;424529]Or maybe this is just an indication that the front office listens to the coaches on personnel?[/quote]

heh, nice Matty. The last few weeks ive really admired you moderators, you spend a lot of time balancing discussions and being the devils advocate so both sides are represented even if its not your opinion! Keep up the great work!

Our organization, Danny boy and Vinny included, have really grown since they got here. Originally it was just danny playing madden and signing all the free agents, but later, even though it looked like we were signign everyone, it was the coachs picks not theirs. We went out and got Brandon Llyod, and yes he didtn work out, but its not like he was some big name free agent, the coachs thought he was a great young talent so we traded for him. Sometimes things dont work out but at the time it looked like we would have 'return or the smurfs' and the second coming of the greatest show on turf, but on grass, etc, etc

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I can see people being ticked if Snyderato was signing guys against the coaches' wishes, but that's simply not the case.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Take the drama somewhere else.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;424540][B]heh, nice Matty. The last few weeks ive really admired you moderators, you spend a lot of time balancing discussions and being the devils advocate so both sides are represented even if its not your opinion! Keep up the great work![/B]

Our organization, Danny boy and Vinny included, have really grown since they got here. Originally it was just danny playing madden and signing all the free agents, but later, even though it looked like we were signign everyone, it was the coachs picks not theirs. We went out and got Brandon Llyod, and yes he didtn work out, but its not like he was some big name free agent, the coachs thought he was a great young talent so we traded for him. Sometimes things dont work out but at the time it looked like we would have 'return or the smurfs' and the second coming of the greatest show on turf, but on grass, etc, etc[/quote]

Thank you and I'm glad that people notice these things once in a while. Sometimes the mods do indeed play devil's advocate for the sake of balanced discussion and too often people misinterpret this as the mods being pro-Snyder.

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[quote=Mattyk72;424543]I can see people being ticked if Snyderato was signing guys against the coaches' wishes, but that's simply not the case.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Take the drama somewhere else.[/quote]


what about signing assistant coachs against the coachs wishes?!?! oh wait we didnt have a coach yet that could complain, my bad

lol, just kidding, not trying to cause trouble just making a joke

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[quote=Mattyk72;424545]Thank you and I'm glad that people notice these things once in a while. Sometimes the mods do indeed play devil's advocate for the sake of balanced discussion and too often people misinterpret this as the mods being pro-Snyder.[/quote]


yea sometimes it seems like a conflict of interest to drink the kool aid, blow snyder, want to make exceptions of who we should overpay for, and talk abotu growing through the draft at the same time as wishing we could get Spurrier to come back from college and golf, but someones gotta keep the peace!

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Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

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[quote=SmootSmack;424552]Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.[/quote]

haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

man I forgot about shane matthews.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;424557]haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

[I][B]man I forgot about shane matthews[/B][/I].[/quote]


Me too I rather not remember that time ever.

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[quote=SmootSmack;424552]Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.[/quote]

exactly Smoot, I made this point a few times in the last couple of weeks when we were discussing the coaching decisions.

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Yeah I see this as no big deal. As long as coaches are willing to speak up and say what they want, Danny and Vinny have shown that they'll listen. When we'd have a problem is if the coaching staff just kind of said "eh whatever" and took what Vinny gave them.

But there's no indication that is the case.

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The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.

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[quote=FRPLG;424573]The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

Great post, highlights the importance of interpreting the slant inherent to any piece of journalism.

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Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.

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It's no secret that Snyder is involved in the personnel process to some degree. He always has been outside of the year that Marty was here. However I don't think that he makes any calls on his own and forces players upon the coaches. I don't have a problem with him being involved as long as he's deferring to others on the final decisions.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424552]Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.[/QUOTE]


So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...

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That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.

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[quote=Bill B;424591]Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.[/quote]
How could this even happen when Gibbs is the coach?
So this is how it went.
Dan: Hey GW what do you think about these guys who are FA.
GW: Well their old and have bad work habits.
DAn: These are some of the biggest names in the NFL.
GW: Yea, but their getting old.
Dan: OK

Wow, GW is one tough Cookie.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;424612]So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...[/quote]
This was a Spurrier project. Ramsey was supposed to be QB of the future. Cannon arm, smart (dual major from Tulane), tough. Fumble-prone Tony Banks was our QB in 2001. Wuerffel & Matthews were brought in to help "coach Ramsey up" in the "pitch & catch". (I hope I never hear those terms associated with the Skins in any way, shape, or form)

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Good to see Blache is recognizing the importance of youth as opposed to aging FA veterans, espically on the D-line, a position long neglected in the draft. [with emphasis on the first round]

Both, Snyder and Cerrato have at times come under heavy criticism for the way players have been selected in the past, mistakes have been made. Many of the mistakes made by Snyder are reminiscent of a fans perspective when it came to his choice of players.

One must agree however, his decisions good or bad were agressive ones', with the mindset they would improve the team because I do beleive he really does want to win. I would much prefer to have an owner willing to spend, and making mistakes of agression, than one like John Cooke who didn't have the money to invest in the team.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;424615]That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.[/quote]

I can't blame them for making decisions for Spurrier... let's face it he was fresh out of college and really wasn't in the best position to make personnel decisions, he all but admited that.

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Snyder also wanted Santana Moss, but deferred to Marty and Rod Gardner.

IMO, this whole thing really is a non-story

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I agree this isn't much of a story here. It's a least good that Blache will let it be known what type of player he wants, but what coach doesn't.

Right now, though, I feel a little uneasy about the fact its either going to be Zorn, Cerrato, or DS making the personell decisions from here out. I'm guessing Blache is going to be heavily involved in the Defensive personell dept. too which should help things.

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[quote=redsk1;424681]I agree this isn't much of a story here. It's a least good that Blache will let it be known what type of player he wants, but what coach doesn't.

Right now, though, I feel a little uneasy about the fact its either going to be Zorn, Cerrato, or DS making the personell decisions from here out. I'm guessing Blache is going to be heavily involved in the Defensive personell dept. too which should help things.[/quote]
Scott Campbell is Director of Player Personnel. Both he and Cerrato are pretty experienced guys. Zorn & Blache and many of their assistants have been around the NFL for a while.

Lavar Arrington told me Snyder has put away his XBox and Madden franchise mode. I think we will be fine.

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[quote=djnemo65;424538]So big time free agents hit the market, the owner is willing to spend the money to get them as they fill an immediate need on the team, the coaches say no these aren't the kind of guys we are looking for, the owner and VP both say OK, they dont get signed, and this is a problem???[/quote]


....it is when you get rid of the coach that was standing up to the owner.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;424690]Scott Campbell is Director of Player Personnel. Both he and Cerrato are pretty experienced guys. Zorn & Blache and many of their assistants have been around the NFL for a while.

Lavar Arrington told me Snyder has put away his XBox and Madden franchise mode. I think we will be fine.[/quote]


Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?

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Every time I worry that Redskins fans are among the most ignorant in all of sports...Giantone comes along to remind me otherwise

You know he was just joking about the "LaVar told me..." don't you?

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[quote=Giantone;424743]Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?[/quote]
You sound pretty upset about this. If Cerrato is such an idiot you guys in Giant land should be laughing it up. Didn't you guys just have a big win a couple of weeks ago, you should be pretty high-on-life right now....

The Arrington reference was sarcastic referring to some prior threads......but while we're on the subject, maybe Lavar should've had an agent who actually read his contract before signing it. I'm pretty sure that's what they get their 3% for. And didn't Arrington and the team agree to a settlement on that?

Haven't we heard enough of the "Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around because Snyder wants a yes man" garbage. I don't think the guy walks on water and he has probably been responsible for bad decisions , but please define why you believe Cerrato is an idiot. Please don't say Lloyd & Archuletta, we've gone down that road already.

Cerrato does have an NCAA Championship ring and SB ring to his credit. So either he has some talent or he's real good at identifying situations which will work out well for him, either way he doesn't sound like an idiot to me. His interview the other day sounded pretty good, he seems to have a good handle on what the teams needs are.

Now he also has full responsibility for all FO moves, so if he screws up there is no shadow of Gibbs or Snyder or GW or whoever. It's on his shoulders and Snyder will be under immense pressure to fire him if the FO falls apart.

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[quote=SmootSmack;424749]Every time I worry that Redskins fans are among the most ignorant in all of sports...Giantone comes along to remind me otherwise

You know he was just joking about the "LaVar told me..." don't you?[/quote]
OK, so it wasn't just me

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You mean Snyder really doesn't run the team with his Madden franchise?

How is he going to set the prices for hot dogs and foam fingers?

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[quote=Mattyk72;424762]You mean Snyder really doesn't run the team with his Madden franchise?

How is he going to set the prices for hot dogs and foam fingers?[/quote]
don't forget life-like robotic crabs and model Air Force jets :lol:

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[quote=Giantone;424743]Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?[/quote]
And the Giants made that smart move and signed Lavar to how long and how much of a contract?