Todd Collins Re-Ups
 

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Collins will be here next year to back up Campbell, at the very least.

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now that monkey is off our back, onto the free agency pool... CANNONBALLL

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i'll wait for a non PFT source to confirm.

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espn reporting collins re-upted 3 years 9 mil

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Very nice, good to have TC back sniffing footballs for the Redskins

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meh.. i still think Brunell might have been a better fit for THIS offense..

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I think TC could be a great match for this offense. He does lack mobility which will hurt but he is super accurate and is a smart player who can pick the offense up and understand how to execute it. As a backup he can be valuable. His mobility can be offset with more 3 step drops which are a staple in some forms of the offense. This is a good move to me. Seems like a liked guy so it is good for the locker room.

Anyone else stoked that our priority FA siging was Todd Collins? Way to show some level headedness and restraint.

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I like that we're focusing on our own guys first and taking a wait and see approach to the FA market.

I hate to say I called this, but I kinda did say that I thought there was a good chance TC would be back. WHERE'S MY CREDIT?! ;)

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This is great news. And Todd is here because while Jason will be given every chance to show he can lead, there will be a point in which if we just aren't succeeding with him, Todd will take over.

That will be good for Jason. He'll have a great teacher in Coach Zorn, and time to learn the offense without worrying about looking over his shoulder if he makes a mistake. However, if he is chronically mediocre, then eventually, a change will be made. So he will have pressure, just not immediate pressure. It will keep him focused.

It wouldn't be good to have everything riding on Jason's development, and him staying healthy. Todd is an outstanding player and gives us a great insurance policy, and he will be able to assist in coaching Jason as well.

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[QUOTE=juggernaunt;427450]espn reporting collins re-upted 3 years 9 mil[/QUOTE]

Is it just me or isn't that a bit much for a backup QB who is as old as dirt?

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[quote=skinsnut;427475]Is it just me or isn't that a bit much for a backup QB who is as old as dirt?[/quote]

I think that's a pretty fair deal for a #2 these days.

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[quote=Mattyk72;427476]I think that's a pretty fair deal for a #2 these days.[/quote]

Plus the market is just crazy. Some DT in Oakland who I've never heard of got $18 million in guarantees ... Andre Davis got $8 million in guarantees ... and we won't have Brunell's big contract and will likely go after a low-priced #3 QB so it will work out numbers wise. Good news I think, to have TC back. Glad they got this done.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;427477]Plus the market is just crazy. Some DT in Oakland who I've never heard of got $18 million in guarantees ... Andre Davis got $8 million in guarantees ... and we won't have Brunell's big contract and will likely go after a low-priced #3 QB so it will work out numbers wise. Good news I think, to have TC back. Glad they got this done.[/quote]

Yeah the FA market looks like it's going to pick up where it left off last year with marginal guys getting mega deals and stars getting insane mega deals. Sounds like there may have been a bit of a bidding war for Collins, I like that we got this done quickly. He was definitely a top priority. Nice to see us paying our own guys for once.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;427476]I think that's a pretty fair deal for a #2 these days.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Matty...I trust your opinion on market value.

I sure am glad we have a decent backup! this is excellent news...he was our top potential free agent....good work....dare I say it....[SIZE="1"]Cerrato[/SIZE]

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That's a good move...kudos. Let's get Hackett.

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Good to have TC back. I think he would do well within this new offense. Quick decisions and release of the ball to a spot. Time will tell and I hope he doesn't see the field in 2008.

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I'm Happy about that. Dude is serious gamer

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[quote=Mattyk72;427478]Yeah the FA market looks like it's going to pick up where it left off last year with marginal guys getting mega deals and stars getting insane mega deals. Sounds like there may have been a bit of a bidding war for Collins, I like that we got this done quickly. He was definitely a top priority. Nice to see us paying our own guys for once.[/quote]


Matty - lets hope that teams go bonkers this year - as many GM's have said that the talent pool is not that great. That way teams will use up their cap space so when the SKins eventually do get some cap room in future years the competition will be lower if you know what I mean.

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[quote=skinsnut;427475]Is it just me or isn't that a bit much for a backup QB who is as old as dirt?[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing but how much of that money will TC ever see and how much is based off him actually playing?

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I don't think the details are available yet. I assume there's a pretty hefty SB based on last year's play, and a steeply escalating salary that will never be payed.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;427462]I like that we're focusing on our own guys first and taking a wait and see approach to the FA market.

I hate to say I called this, but I kinda did say that I thought there was a good chance TC would be back. WHERE'S MY CREDIT?! ;)[/QUOTE]

Good call Matty! You happy now, ya big Ego? :)

This continues the trend from last year of retaining key players who performed well for us (Betts, Sellers, Collins-I'm sure I'm forgetting others). Five more years of this and maybe irish will start to think we're turning things around.

Anyhow...does anyone else find it kind of interesting that Zorn and Snyder flew out to Massachusetts to bring Collins back, while Cerrato stayed back in DC? What's that all about? Maybe it's like the State of the Union addresses where one Cabinet member is always absent in case of some mass tragedy on site.

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[quote=SmootSmack;427499]Good call Matty! You happy now, ya big Ego? :)

This continues the trend from last year of retaining key players who performed well for us (Betts, Sellers, Collins-I'm sure I'm forgetting others). Five more years of this and maybe irish will start to think we're turning things around.

Anyhow...does anyone else find it kind of interesting that Zorn and Snyder flew out to Massachusetts to bring Collins back, while Cerrato stayed back in DC? What's that all about? Maybe it's like the State of the Union addresses where one Cabinet member is always absent in case of some mass tragedy on site.[/quote]

Maybe with FA about to start Vinny was too busy to go? Or maybe they thought the message would be best delivered by Zorn.

I've been watching the 6 part interview with him on Redskins.com and I'm more and more impressed with him by the minute. Well spoken, definitely an x's and o's guy, very likeable personality, I like his offensive philosophy... I'm diggin' the Z man!

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Maybe Vinny stayed behind and manned the phones for other deals. In a perfect world, that's what happened.

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Great news! He deserved to be the top priority after what he did for the team last season.

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Joey Harrington, Rex Grossman, and David Carr all signed deals worth $3 mil a year to be backups in the last calender year, and Todd's probably the best of the bunch.

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[quote=Mattyk72;427476]I think that's a pretty fair deal for a #2 these days.[/quote]

Really?? I think that was way too much. I don't think older back-ups like Brad Johnson, Trent Diler, Gus, Kerry Collins or Charlie Batch made or make that much. I'm glad he's back but for 3mil a year?? I'm not sure JC is making much more than that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;427500]Maybe with FA about to start Vinny was too busy to go? Or maybe they thought the message would be best delivered by Zorn.

I've been watching the 6 part interview with him on Redskins.com and I'm more and more impressed with him by the minute. Well spoken, definitely an x's and o's guy, very likeable personality, I like his offensive philosophy... I'm diggin' the Z man![/quote]

I am too. The more I hear him talk the more I'm starting to like this guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;427508]Really?? I think that was way too much. I don't think older back-ups like Brad Johnson, Trent Diler, Gus, Kerry Collins or Charlie Batch made or make that much. I'm glad he's back but for 3mil a year?? I'm not sure JC is making much more than that.[/quote]

I don't know about you but I'd take Collins over any of those guys you named. Check out gtripp's post above about some other guys that have signed similar deals.

Plus it sounds like there was a bit of a bidding war for TC, so I really don't think $3M is that unreasonable. MB was making that much last year as the #3.

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Here's another from NFL.com

Skins keep Collins: The Washington Redskins resigned quarterback Todd Collins to a three-year, $9 million contract that included a $3 million signing bonus. The 36-year-old veteran backup replaced an injured Jason Campbell in Washington's Week 14 win over Chicago and then started the last three games of the regular season, helping the Redskins earn a wild-card berth. With Campbell coming back from a knee injury, it was considered important for new head coach Jim Zorn to retain the veteran backup.

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[quote=skinsfan69;427508]Really?? I think that was way too much. I don't think older back-ups like Brad Johnson, Trent Diler, Gus, Kerry Collins or Charlie Batch made or make that much. I'm glad he's back but for 3mil a year?? I'm not sure JC is making much more than that.[/quote]

The $3 million per season figure means nothing. The contract could be incredibly backloaded for the 3rd season, at which time he'll be 40 and probably won't be a Redskin anymore.

What matters is how much in the way of guaranteed money we paid him. If we gave him $5 million guaranteed (I highly doubt it) then I can understand the complaint.

But as with any NFL contract, coming up with a per-season value is meaningless. The guaranteed portion is what really matters.

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[quote=Schneed10;427523]The $3 million per season figure means nothing. The contract could be incredibly backloaded for the 3rd season, at which time he'll be 40 and probably won't be a Redskin anymore.

What matters is how much in the way of guaranteed money we paid him. If we gave him $5 million guaranteed (I highly doubt it) then I can understand the complaint.

But as with any NFL contract, coming up with a per-season value is meaningless. The guaranteed portion is what really matters.[/quote]

Sounds like he got a signing bonus of $3M

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SBs are guaranteed, so it's at least $3 million.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;427499]Anyhow...does anyone else find it kind of interesting that Zorn and Snyder flew out to Massachusetts to bring Collins back, while Cerrato stayed back in DC? What's that all about? Maybe it's like the State of the Union addresses where one Cabinet member is always absent in case of some mass tragedy on site.[/QUOTE]

Not really. I mean what does VC have to offer the conversation? TC knows they want to resign him and he knows the Jags would like him so he is going to base his decision on comfort and opportunity mostly. That stuff is dependent on the coaching staff so to me Zorn is the only guy to deliver the message. Plus he's a former QB so that helps. Snyder just tags along cause all this stuff gets him going. He loves this stuff.

I'd ne more worried if Snyderatto went and left Zorn behind. Either way Snyder is going no matter what. He's gotta get his First Day of FA fix baby. If he aint on a jet at 12:01 then he is probably bouncing off the walls. At least time it was to make a reasoned move.

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[quote=Mattyk72;427525]Sounds like he got a signing bonus of $3M[/quote]

Thanks I didn't see that. So his cap hit this year is probably $1.85 million (assuming he's getting the vet min base salary this year and they backloaded the base salaries in the last two years).

That's by no means a killer for a backup QB.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;427526]SBs are guaranteed, so it's at least $3 million.[/QUOTE]

3 Guarnateed plus we'd have to assume he is guaranteed to play this year and probably at a vet min sal level so he'll probably be a cap figures of

yr1-1.85mil
yr2-2.5mil
yr3=4.65mil

or something close to that.

It is almost a guarantee he is here for at least 2 years.

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[quote=FRPLG;427527]Either way Snyder is going no matter what. He's gotta get his First Day of FA fix baby. If he aint on a jet at 12:01 then he is probably bouncing off the walls. [/quote]

LOL - there's definitely truth in that!

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[quote=Schneed10;427530]Thanks I didn't see that. So his cap hit this year is probably $1.85 million (assuming he's getting the vet min base salary this year and they backloaded the base salaries in the last two years).

That's by no means a killer for a backup QB.[/quote]

Sounding more and more like a steal for us if you ask me.

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My only concern with him is learning a brand new system...

But then again, touch is touch and he showed plenty of that late in the season last year...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;427534]My only concern with him is learning a brand new system...

But then again, touch is touch and he showed plenty of that late in the season last year...[/quote]

Yeah I share that concern. He was great at releasing the ball before WRs made their break. The only way you can confidently do that is if you know where the WR is going to be.

It's going to take time for him to learn that in this new system.

That said, Campbell is the much bigger concern when it comes to picking up the new system. And just about any backup QB out there would have needed to learn Zorn's system. So that shouldn't really play into the decision to resign Collins too much. As soon as we hired Zorn, we knew we were in for a learning year, no matter who we had on the roster.