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Makes me [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/12/bc.fbn.redskins.taylors.ap/index.html"]sick[/URL].

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Wow is all I can say.. Taylor was being generous and that's what he got for it?

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completely senseless act of greed and stupidity.......

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why are there only 4 people charged when there were 5 of them?

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;431437]why are there only 4 people charged when there were 5 of them?[/QUOTE]

Who knows. The 5th suspect may not have known about the plan to rob Taylor, participated in the crime, or helped cover it up.

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All 5 of them deserve the chair and to burn in hell.

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I still can't beive he's dead. I hope they suffer for what they did.

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[QUOTE=Soup's Uncle;431452]I still can't beive he's dead. I hope they suffer for what they did.[/QUOTE]

Perfectly worded

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This hits too close to home...i grew up in Miami and have recently moved to get away from the fast south Florida lifestyle...no matter where you go it is all around!
My wife who was my girlfriend at the time lived close to where Sean was shot.
Even the good areas of town are within reach of the craziness...Down there it ain't all about the beach! Trust me 22 years but I am out.

R.I.P.
Sean Taylor!

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I am still furious about the way the media ghettoized this generous decent person. It's a tragedy to his legacy that, now attention has moved on, most people will never learn about Sean's true character.

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I assume that everything will come out once the trial starts, which I believe is sometime in April. I hope Sean's family, his gf and daughter are doing OK. I still think about what happened last Nov. and it's all still so strange.

Not to turn this into politics, but one day I hope this country gets very very tough on gun laws. I'm very tired of picking up the paper or turning on the news and seeing young people killed by guns. Those two college kids that were killed last week really made me ill.

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[quote=djnemo65;431471]I am still furious about the way the media ghettoized this generous decent person. It's a tragedy to his legacy that, now attention has moved on, most people will never learn about Sean's true character.[/quote]

I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;431557]I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.[/QUOTE]

I don't care how big he thinks he is that was f**ked up to say anything like that honestly. How can.....I just gonna shut up I LOVE U SEAN R.I.P. BIG HOMIE!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;431557]I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah me too. The media is so obsessed with applying the Tupac narrative to any young black male who gets killed, and you expect that from dimly lit bulbs like that Cowherd idiot, but you expect Wilbon to be a bulwark against that, as he has been for the majority of his career. If he had not even apologized ｂｕｔ just said he was completely wrong about everything I would have been OK with that, but to my knowledge he hasn't even done that.

On the flipside, I didn'ｔ think it was possible for me to respect JB more than I already did but he was so on point with everything.

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Bucha punk bitches! I hope they get ass raped every day.. and ten times a day during football season.

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[quote=djnemo65;431581]Yeah me too. The media is so obsessed with applying the Tupac narrative to any young black male who gets killed, and you expect that from dimly lit bulbs like that Cowherd idiot, but you expect Wilbon to be a bulwark against that, as he has been for the majority of his career. If he had not even apologized ｂｕｔ just said he was completely wrong about everything I would have been OK with that, but to my knowledge he hasn't even done that.

On the flipside, I didn'ｔ think it was possible for me to respect JB more than I already did but he was so on point with everything.[/quote]

I did hear JB's commentary on it. JB's a total 100% class act.

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[quote=oldhog44;431608]Bucha punk bitches! I hope they get ass raped every day.. and ten times a day during football season.[/quote]

Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here [URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22008724/"]Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com[/URL]), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/11/guest_blog_ehren.html"]Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider[/URL]) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/12/renaldo_wynn_and_sean.html"]Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider[/URL]). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.

[quote=Wilbon]The issue of separating yourself from a harmful environment is a recurring theme in the life of black men. It has nothing to do with football, or Sean Taylor or even sports. To frame it as a sports issue is as insulting as it is naive. Most of us, perhaps even the great majority of us who grew up in big urban communities, have to make a decision at some point to hang out or get out.

The kid who becomes a pharmaceutical rep has the same call to make as the lawyer or delivery guy or accountant or sportswriter or football player: Cut off anybody who might do harm, even those who have been friends from the sandbox, or go along to get along.[/quote]

IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;431618]Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here [URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22008724/"]Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com[/URL]), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/11/guest_blog_ehren.html"]Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider[/URL]) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/12/renaldo_wynn_and_sean.html"]Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider[/URL]). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.



IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.[/QUOTE]

Great post. However, I think it will fall on many deaf ears simply because it's just an emotional topic still for so many of us.

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Here is a great article from the Washington Post (Feb 10th) that I hadnt seen before.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902504.html]Brilliant Light, Persistent Shadow - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Stacks42;431632]Here is a great article from the Washington Post (Feb 10th) that I hadnt seen before.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902504.html"]Brilliant Light, Persistent Shadow - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]


WOW. That was a great article. I learned even more about Sean and I'm even more impressed by his character.

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[quote=Buster;431645]WOW. That was a great article. I learned even more about Sean and I'm even more impressed by his character.[/quote]


I thought the same thing. Its really a shame that not many people knew the real sean until after his passing.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;431618]Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here [URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22008724/"]Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com[/URL]), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/11/guest_blog_ehren.html"]Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider[/URL]) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/12/renaldo_wynn_and_sean.html"]Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider[/URL]). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.



IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.[/quote]

[U]"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion[/U]" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what [U]color[/U] he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.

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<<I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.>>

Ditto to that bro. I'm still pissed at Wilbon. Sean was a special dude. We celebrate the same birthday...I will always say a prayer for him on that day. Reading that article really brought it all back.

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It really changed the season for me (and I am sure many of you) when Sean was killed. I really have not had the same interest level in things..........football since.
I find it disappointing that it no longer has media appeal, and is basically forgotten about now that the "new" is gone from it. It continues to amaze and disgust, how cheap life is in this country, and how tawdry, and indifferent we can be to the loss of it.

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I still don't get why they broke into the bedroom and shot Taylor. It doesn't sound like a burglary gone wrong to me...it sounds like they were there for a reason other than burglary.

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[quote=jsarno;431724]I still don't get why they broke into the bedroom and shot Taylor. It doesn't sound like a burglary gone wrong to me...it sounds like they were there for a reason other than burglary.[/quote]

The knife on the bed a week prior seems to indicate so.

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[QUOTE=Buster;431725]The knife on the bed a week prior seems to indicate so.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly, the knife was left on the bed because the defendants were using it to try to pry things open. They went into the bedroom because that is where Taylor kept his money. They told police they did not expect Taylor to be home. So, they were going after the money in the bedroom, ran across Taylor, and fired in panic. At least, that's the most plausible theory. There doesn't seem to be any indication they intended to kill Taylor.

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[quote=oldhog44;431677][U]"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion[/U]" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what [U]color[/U] he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.[/quote]

Well said!

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I guess that's the kind of world we live in today. It's so much easier to take something that's not yours, instead of working hard to get it. It's a damn shame, and it makes me really sad thinking about our country this way.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431421]Makes me [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/12/bc.fbn.redskins.taylors.ap/index.html"]sick[/URL].[/quote]

What a complete shit bag! I'm still angry about it.

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Supposedly in this article it says Sean Taylor knew Scott Mitchell, Sean had given him 300 bucks for helping him with his lawn, Mitchell reportedly say 10 thousand dollars in a bag, makes me sick.
Article:[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031202795.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=oldhog44;431677][U]"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion[/U]" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what [U]color[/U] he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.[/quote]When you went over this post in your head before you put in the effort to type it, I'm find it hard to believe that some part of you wasn't saying "wait a minute, maybe I don't want to sound like a total moron in a public forum".

Tell that conscience to take a hike!

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[QUOTE=Buster;431725]The knife on the bed a week prior seems to indicate so.[/QUOTE]

That's just more evidence. Of course the killers are going to say whatever they can to lessen this blow. Instead of getting the chair, they will get parole in many, many years.

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[quote=GTripp0012;431830]When you went over this post in your head before you put in the effort to type it, I'm find it hard to believe that some part of you wasn't saying "wait a minute, maybe I don't want to sound like a total moron in a public forum".

Tell that conscience to take a hike![/quote]

Sorry princess but that's just way i feel about things. I don't really giva a sheet how i sound in a public forum. Turd sack.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;431437]why are there only 4 people charged when there were 5 of them?[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking that Rivera doesn't want the murder pinned on him, so he made up the 5th guy. Or maybe the 5th guy turned everyone in and cut a deal to keep his name anonymous. I wish someone could clear that up.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431726]Supposedly, the knife was left on the bed because the defendants were using it to try to pry things open. They went into the bedroom because that is where Taylor kept his money. They told police they did not expect Taylor to be home. So, they were going after the money in the bedroom, ran across Taylor, and fired in panic. At least, that's the most plausible theory.[B] There doesn't seem to be any indication they intended to kill Taylor.[/B][/quote]


So they came back with guns...

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[QUOTE=Buster;431985]So they came back with guns...[/QUOTE]

Exactly!
I am not a detective, but from what I read, this seems to be a premeditated murder...but my opinion doesn't mean squat in this so called "investigation".