Report: Hackett Agrees to Terms with Panthers
 

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I hope he goes and gets overpayed by the Panthers, he would be nice to have, but he's not worth going into a bidding war for.

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I don't think $2 to $3 million for a one year contract is overpaying him. According to Rotoworld, that's the type of money he's looking for at this point.

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I've got my fingers crossed he comes here.

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I really don't see him signing with us. I think he will stay in Seattle.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;432536]I've got my fingers crossed he comes here.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a huge fan, but signing him would free us up to take care of more needs in the draft.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;432529]I hope he goes and gets overpayed by the Panthers, he would be nice to have, but he's not worth going into a bidding war for.[/quote]

I really thought Tampa would step it up for him. Any word from them? They have the cap space.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432542]I'm not a huge fan, but signing him would free us up to take care of more needs in the draft.[/QUOTE]

which is exactly why we should all hope he comes here. receivers take too long to develop. we can draft at other positions and find at least a couple players who can make significant impacts right now.

even if we draft limas sweed in the 1st round, it could be 2 years before it starts to pay off.

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[quote=SmootSmack;432542]I'm not a huge fan, but signing him would free us up to take care of more needs in the draft.[/quote]

yeah good point, it would give us a bit more flexibility in the draft

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432542]I'm not a huge fan, but signing him would free us up to take care of more needs in the draft.[/QUOTE]

That's basiaclly where I fall. He is a perfect FA acquisition for whoever gets him. he has some talent and wont cost a ton. He is probably better than every WR in the draft except 3 or 4 in the end so there is no bust factor with him basically. We just need so much more than a WR from the draft Our lines could use complete attention. Take all linemen this year and I'd be happy. I know we need a CB but other than that I'd lvoe to see us go overboard on the lines in a perfect world.

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[quote=FRPLG;432548]That's basiaclly where I fall. He is a perfect FA acquisition for whoever gets him. he has some talent and wont cost a ton. He is probably better than every WR in the draft except 3 or 4 in the end so there is no bust factor with him basically. We just need so much more than a WR from the draft Our lines could use complete attention. Take all linemen this year and I'd be happy. I know we need a CB but other than that I'd lvoe to see us go overboard on the lines in a perfect world.[/quote]

I agree the idea of just devoting the entire draft to O&D lineman. We'd be beter served if we fill and develop our core on both sides of the ball.

If we plant the seeds this year we'll be formidable in the years to come.

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[quote=FRPLG;432548]That's basiaclly where I fall. He is a perfect FA acquisition for whoever gets him. he has some talent and wont cost a ton. He is probably better than every WR in the draft except 3 or 4 in the end so there is no bust factor with him basically. We just need so much more than a WR from the draft [B]Our lines could use complete attention[/B]. Take all linemen this year and I'd be happy. I know we need a CB but other than that I'd lvoe to see us go overboard on the lines in a perfect world.[/quote]


I agree although I have said on other messages I heard Cerrato on Redskins Radio that one of the draft picks is going to used on a qb to be our 3rd stringer - which is probably a good long term move because you never know what will happen - maybe a severe injury to JC but lets hope not.

I think that we will use 2-3 picks on lineman (hopefully more) with one of the picks on a db as well. I am just excited we have all our picks for this year (pending the extra pick for Dockery we get). So far the restraint by the FO is a breath of fresh air and from the looks of the DJ Hackett situation it looks like we made a fair offer and didn't throw him an obscene contract offer, which is smart because the injury potential and history for DJ is something you have to consider. DJ makes sense in that he is well versed in the system and wants to go over the middle and would be the perfect compliment for Moss and Randle El. The contract numbers I have seen on the board all look reasonable and if he gets that from the Skins that would be a good move for the money.

so far the offseason has been quiet and that is a good thing!

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[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=114193&id=2642]D.J. Hackett[/url]

Updated - Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Panthers and WR D.J. Hackett have reached agreement on a two-year, $3.5 million contract.

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[quote=BrudLee;432559][URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=114193&id=2642"]D.J. Hackett[/URL]

Updated - Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Panthers and WR D.J. Hackett have reached agreement on a two-year, $3.5 million contract.[/quote]

of course there's no details in that blurb, but damn that is cheap! If we offered less, then Vinny is serious about this new approach.

I would imagine there's a lot of incentives in his deal.
thanks for the update

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[quote=Bill B;432552]I agree although I have said on other messages I heard Cerrato on Redskins Radio that one of the draft picks is going to used on a qb to be our 3rd stringer - which is probably a good long term move because you never know what will happen - maybe a severe injury to JC but lets hope not.
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I think the QB pick is a neccesity so we can have someone young who can learn and develop under Jim Zorn, the QB guru.

We bring in someone young with the physical essentials and Zorn should be able to take advantage of his QB coaching expertise.

No QB selections too high though. Those should be reserved for CB and DE. QB should be fourth selection at the earliest.

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[quote=BrudLee;432559][URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=114193&id=2642"]D.J. Hackett[/URL]

Updated - Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Panthers and WR D.J. Hackett have reached agreement on a two-year, $3.5 million contract.[/quote]


Just heard the same on Redskin radio. D.J lands deal with the Panthers.

I'm semi surprised if this was the guy the Skins wanted they didn't land him. But, I don't know what the contract details where that the Skins offered?

However, it seems to be a reasonable offer for D.J., and IF he stays healthy it's a really good deal for the Panthers.

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[quote=BrudLee;432559][URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=114193&id=2642"]D.J. Hackett[/URL]

Updated - Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Panthers and WR D.J. Hackett have reached agreement on a two-year, $3.5 million contract.[/quote]

If this turns out to be accurate, the folks in Seattle & Zorn must not be very impressed, even though he put up some good numbers when healthy. Or there's a lot more to the recurring ankle injury.

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Good he would have been a injury risk anyway & that's more money in our pockets

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I may be in the minority but I am very happy Hackett will not be getting paid by the Skins next year. His injuries are too much of a concern, imo. Still, the panthers definitely got him for a good price.

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3.5 mil for 2 years?
hmmm...I thought we'd offer him at least 2.
Oh well...looks like one of the below needs will not be addressed in the first 4 picks
DE, DT, OL, CB.

ouch.

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The Panthers got a steal in my opinion.

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I would think JZ is on the inside track with this guy? I would prefer them to be to conservative rather than pissin' away more B Lloyd deals

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[QUOTE=Hog1;432570]I would think JZ is on the inside track with this guy? I would prefer them to be to conservative rather than pissin' away more B Lloyd deals[/QUOTE]

This aint no Lloyd player...nor was it close to Lloyd money.
We may be kicking ourselves with this one....hard to know.
But we may get lucky paying a rookie this much and hoping our existing lines can hold up another year.

I dont see any other possible FA WR that can help us....

I guess we have 2 options now....use a draft pick, or trade a draft pick for a WR....in either case, we are down a draft pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;432542]I'm not a huge fan, but signing him would free us up to take care of more needs in the draft.[/quote]Ditto. I came to my senses after watching that playoff game agaonst SEA that Hackett is nothing special. He and Caldwell are very similiar route runners.

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When I was listening to Redskins Radio at 1200, it seemed as if the injuries were not a concern for us. In fact the phrase used was something like " Zorn and the Redskins didn't even work Hackett out because they were not worried about injuries and they already knew what they would be getting". That is not the actual quote I am paraphrasing what Larry Michael said on the show.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;432578]When I was listening to Redskins Radio at 1200, it seemed as if the injuries were not a concern for us. In fact the phrase used was something like " Zorn and the Redskins didn't even work Hackett out because they were not worried about injuries and they already knew what they would be getting". That is not the actual quote I am paraphrasing what Larry Michael said on the show.[/QUOTE]

So what is your point?

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[quote=angryssg;432578]When I was listening to Redskins Radio at 1200, it seemed as if the injuries were not a concern for us. In fact the phrase used was something like " Zorn and the Redskins didn't even work Hackett out because they were not worried about injuries and they already knew what they would be getting". That is not the actual quote I am paraphrasing what Larry Michael said on the show.[/quote]
I think the reason we didn't throw a ton of cash at him is because he was sought as kind of a 'fall back' option anyway.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;432573]Ditto. I came to my senses after watching that playoff game agaonst SEA that Hackett is nothing special. He and Caldwell are very similiar route runners.[/QUOTE]

For the sake of draft picks...I am now officially on the resign caldwell bandwagon.
I dont want to waste a top pick on a WR

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According to Hacketts agent and ESPN, he chose Carolina over Seattle, Washington and Tampa Bay and that Hackett recieved only a "minimum salary offer from the Redskins."

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3298035]ESPN - Panthers agree to two-year deal with WR Hackett - NFL[/url]

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[quote=skinsnut;432579]So what is your point?[/quote]


There were a couple of people that were under the impression that the Skins were worried about him being injury prone when actually they were not.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;432586]According to Hacketts agent and ESPN, he chose Carolina over Seattle, Washington and Tampa Bay and that Hackett recieved only a "minimum salary offer from the Redskins."

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3298035]ESPN - Panthers agree to two-year deal with WR Hackett - NFL[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what promises other teams made to him, but I believe the Redskins made it pretty clear to him he wasn't going to be brought in here to be the main guy. Not even necessarily #2 either.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432589]I'm not sure what promises other teams made to him, but I believe the Redskins made it pretty clear to him he wasn't going to be brought in here to be the main guy. Not even necessarily #2 either.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure that is a factor...they couldn't say he'd be #2 because they'd have to pay him more than Randel El...who makes like 4 mil a year.

He was probably looking for a #2 opportunity.
I think he has that in Carolina...with Muhammed being 35 and all.

But that kind of money is pretty cheap...offering even less than 1.75/yr....he may have been insulted and said BUH-BYE.

Its not like the Skins didn't have the cap room to make a decent offer.
Same with Tampa....something must be wrong with him other than injury that the Skins and Tampa and Seattle didn't like. I am truly suprised at the low ball offer considering he was our only FA target....I'd think most here who wanted him would have been elated at a 2 mil/yr deal

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;432559][url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=114193&id=2642]D.J. Hackett[/url]

Updated - Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Panthers and WR D.J. Hackett have reached agreement on a two-year, $3.5 million contract.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe we were not prepared to beat a 2 year 3.5 mil deal. So we must have offered pretty much the vet minimum...why even bring him in? He's not worth crying about but he would have been nice to have at those numbers.

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[quote=skinsnut;432582]For the sake of draft picks...I am now officially on the resign caldwell bandwagon.
I dont want to waste a top pick on a WR[/quote]Malcolm Kelly (and Limas Sweed) are good values at 21st overall...

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Good Deal! Now we can move on to bigger and better receivers.

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[quote=EXoffender;432597]Malcolm Kelly (and Limas Sweed) are good values at 21st overall...[/quote]

kelly probably wont be there and i think sweed would be a big mistake. that and the DE talent takes a nose dive once merling and harvey are gone.


i'm really surprised we didn't even offer 2mill per... he's a much better #3 than caldwell.

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I think Carolina stole him. I cant believe we did get him for that kind of money.

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Disappointing, but if Zorn didn't make a SERIOUS push to bring him in it could signal there's something more to him than we're seeing..

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For those saying 1st round WR's are risky or take too long to develop (of whom I have been one - on both counts), a reminder of something I just recalled:

"With the 18th Selection in the 1980 Draft, the Redskins select Art Monk."

While risky, if the pick is good, it can be a real payoff - most of the truly top flight WR's have been chosen in the first round ([url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=Wide+Receivers&type=position]NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Position[/url]).

True some top tier WR's are chosen in later rounds (S. Smith, C. Johnson, T.J. Who'syour mama, T. Owens, A. Boldin). A significant number (I would suggest, substantial majority) of true top flight WR's are 1st Round choices (R. Moss, M. Harrison, R. Wayne, Braylon Edwards, L. Fitzgerald, P. Burress, I could go on...).

As with most things in the draft, WR is a crap shoot. In the year of Monk's induction, I am officially switching to the "pick a WR in round one" band wagon in hopes that the good karma train is rolling our way.

As for Hackett, more power to him. I vote "good call" by the FO.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;432597]Malcolm Kelly (and Limas Sweed) are good values at 21st overall...[/QUOTE]

I dont agree any WR is a good value in the 1st round in general, and based on the Skins needs....I will be disappointed if we invest anything higher than a 5th rounder on one.

I dont like WR draft pick crap shoots...lets use top picks on both lines and CB