Lito Sheppard is still out there
 

[I]very good player but i don't know The Eagles askin price. An productive [/I]
[I]starter we don't have to worry about draftin CB one at all. We know what we are gettin, a vete and i never heard his name about any off tha field issue.[/I]

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It's looking like the eagles want a 2nd and something else. Along with being a good player, he's oft-injured and will require a big contract. I personally would hate to see us touch the guy.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;437723]It's looking like the eagles want a 2nd and something else. Along with being a good player, he's oft-injured and will require a big contract. I personally would hate to see us touch the guy.[/QUOTE]

Plus he is getting up there in age I rather draft a CB and have him for the next 8-10 years.

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Does CB really have to be a worry for us. Springs is staying and appears to be much healthier on the workout regimen he started two years ago. Smoot is a player (always liked Smooty but the hit he put on hasselback in the playoff game made me love him), Rogers should be back early in the reg season, and in the meantime didn't we hear a lot about Torrence's league-leading speed. If Blache likes to focus on CBs why don't he coach up the Torrence kid and make him a reliable guy?

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;437724]Plus he is getting up there in age I rather draft a CB and have him for the next 8-10 years.[/QUOTE]

He's 27 (April 8); not much older than Portis, but he has had injury problems.

I'm with you. I'd rather use the 2nd round pick to draft a DB than to trade it (plus what/whoever Philly would be seeking in addition) for Sheppard.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;437727]Does CB really have to be a worry for us. Springs is staying and appears to be much healthier on the workout regimen he started two years ago. Smoot is a player (always liked Smooty but the hit he put on hasselback in the playoff game made me love him), Rogers should be back early in the reg season, and in the meantime didn't we hear a lot about Torrence's league-leading speed. If Blache likes to focus on CBs why don't he coach up the Torrence kid and make him a reliable guy?[/QUOTE]
Springs is 33 years old and has been injury prone. Smoot is not a #1 CB in this league, he is a great #2 or #3. Carlos Rogers will be back on the field some time in September, but his injury will take at least another year before he is close to being back to normal. You are never the same after the severe type on knee injury Carlos had. We need to develop this position. The NFL has changed rules to make it a more pass happy league. You need 3 to 4 quality CB's. Plus add injuries during the season and this position becomes very important. Quality and Quantity is important.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;437739]Springs is 33 years old and has been injury prone. Smoot is not a #1 CB in this league, he is a great #2 or #3. Carlos Rogers will be back on the field some time in September, but his injury will take at least another year before he is close to being back to normal. You are never the same after the severe type on knee injury Carlos had. We need to develop this position. [B]The NFL has changed rules to make it a more pass happy league. You need 3 to 4 quality CB's. Plus add injuries during the season and this position becomes very important. Quality and Quantity is important[/B].[/QUOTE]

Well they did get rid of the force out rule which means that receivers will have to work harder.. it should become easier for corners to protect the sidelines.

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[QUOTE=CPAlltheWay012;437740]Well they did get rid of the force out rule which means that receivers will have to work harder.. it should become easier for corners to protect the sidelines.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but you are not allowed to breath on a receiver after 3 yards. By contrast NFL Officials hardly ever call offensive pass interference. WR's push off CB's right before the ball arrives and they hardly ever get called for it. Randy Moss and Terrel Owens do it the most and they never get called for it. The rules are not being applied evenly. The NFL wants more offense for the average fan that does not appreciate great defense.

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we could use him. but no more then a third

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Why do the Eagles want to get rid of this guy?
Found some interesting facts about Lito, he is a clutch player:
Lito has two of the top 3 longest interception returns in the NFL. He has an 101 yd and 102 yd interception return for TD's.

He leads the NFL in Average INT Return Yards since 2003
Player
1. Lito Sheppard INT's 17 Avg 27.1
2. DeAngelo Hall (Atl.) INT's 17 Avg 25.8
3. Ed Reed (Bal.) INT's 29 Avg 24.6
4. Mike McKenzie (NO) INT's 15 Avg 22.9
5. Chris McAlister (Bal.) INT's 12 Avg 22.1
That is a great group of DB's

Of Sheppard's 17 career INTS…
3 have ended the game
4 have come in the 4th quarter of a ""close game""
8 have resulted in TDs (3 returns)
8 have come in the 4th quarter (4 in the final 2 minutes)
10 have come in ""close games"" (+/- 7 points)
9 have come inside the Eagles 10-yardline (4 in the endzone)

Not Bad.

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I would not mind if we go after him ONLY if he is released from Eagles.. I don't want us to waste our picks, granted it might not be wasted if we trade for Lito but we could use those picks to fill our needs..

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Not sure I want to give up a 2nd round pick, but I am worried about our CBs. Let's be honest...Carlos Rogers is a bust. A 1st round bust. We drafted him high (9th I think) and he has shown only 3rd or 4th round abilities. He can't catch a football to save his life. His coverage skills are good and he's a good tackler. But he has no ball skills. I still can't forget that first playoff game against the Seahawks (2005 season)...we have a lead early and Carlos jumps in front of a Hasselbeck pass and can dance into the endzone to take a 2 score lead...and lets the ball bounce right off his hands. Seattle continues that drive and scores a touchdown. That's a 14 point swing and I really think made all the difference in the world in that game. And I've seen him drop so many more. He's a good guy...and works very hard...but a bad pick by the skins so early in that draft.

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If anything the Redskins will be looking for more picks. Right now though I'm banking on Mike McGlynn becoming a Redskin. He makes way to much sense in light of what the team is looking for, in fact it's almost like they're just stoping short of saying his name. The best part is, at the very least he'll be able to replace Rabach in a year or two.

However trading a second for Lito Shepard instead of drafting a Brandon Flowers, Justin King, or Tracey Porter doesn't seem likely in my book.

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By the way...when we drafted Carlos Rogers 9th overall in 2005, Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were then drafted 11th and 12th respectively. SHAWNE MERRIMAN!!! What were we thinking? You never draft for need...you take the best talent available. Carlos was not the best talent and has proven that fact. Sorry if I'm upsetting any Carlos fans, but facts are facts. Add up the pro bowls Merriman and Ware have been to and compare it to the ZERO Carlos has. I love ROcky, but if we drafted Ware or Merriman, we would have had Washington, Arrington and Merriman/Ware...that is a formidable tandem.

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[QUOTE=CPAlltheWay012;437740]Well they did get rid of the force out rule which means that receivers will have to work harder.. it should become easier for corners to protect the sidelines.[/QUOTE]

Not really when you think about it.. How often does that call come into play, maybe once every 3 games? It's not a big deal, players will adapt.

ON Sheppard, I don't really want us to give up more than a 3rd for him if anything at all.. While I think Rogers is a bust for his draft slot, he's serviceable.

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We've come to far to give up any draft picks now. We're so close to the draft and we have all of our picks in tow.

Feets don't fail us now!

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[quote=billyredskin;437758]By the way...when we drafted Carlos Rogers 9th overall in 2005, Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were then drafted 11th and 12th respectively. SHAWNE MERRIMAN!!! What were we thinking? You never draft for need...you take the best talent available. Carlos was not the best talent and has proven that fact. Sorry if I'm upsetting any Carlos fans, but facts are facts. Add up the pro bowls Merriman and Ware have been to and compare it to the ZERO Carlos has. I love ROcky, but if we drafted Ware or Merriman, we would have had Washington, Arrington and Merriman/Ware...that is a formidable tandem.[/quote]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Rogers is who we have. I agree that Rogers has not played up to where he was chosen, but it does nothing to look back at what we coulda done. I also agree with you to pick the best player available, but only of up to say 3 or 4 positions of need. Grade the player, grade the need, add it up and draft accordingly.

I also find myself doin the shoulda, coulda, wouldas. It only brings heartache, headachs, and hand fulls of hair. My biggest one is if only we coulda kept Stephen Davis long enough to play with Gibbs 2.0. Imho, hes the type of RB Gibbs has needed all along. But I digress.

I say bring Lito Sheppard in. Bring him in for a 4th or lower if hes not going to be released this year. I dont know where Philly stand if they can keep him on the roster or release him.

If what "Defensewins" says is true, we need that type of baller who can change the direction of a game. We lost our last one and need to find a replacement.

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[QUOTE=ArcticRed;437774]....I say bring Lito Sheppard in. Bring him in for a 4th or lower if hes not going to be released this year. I dont know where Philly stand if they can keep him on the roster or release him.

If what "Defensewins" says is true, we need that type of baller who can change the direction of a game. We lost our last one and need to find a replacement.[/QUOTE]

Maybe even for a 3rd rounder. Lito is better than any CB we get in the 3rd round of this draft.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;437778]Maybe even for a 3rd rounder. Lito is better than any CB we get in the 3rd round of this draft.[/QUOTE]

That is true, he is very underrated, and he usually has to be up against the opponents best WR, and he still gets good numbers.

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Take a look at Zach Bowman (CB Nebraska). If the Redskins don't take a corner with their first four picks then chances are they'll role the dice on this guy in the 5th or 6th round. Apparently at one point he was considered a 1st round talent back in 2005 but he's suffered through injuries since then. He's already visited with the team and he has late round Redskin pick written all over him.

[url=http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/zackbowman.html]Zack Bowman Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/zackary-bowman?id=2666]NFL Events: Draft Player Profiles - Zackary Bowman[/url]

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=61333]Zackary Bowman, CB, Nebraska - 2008 NFL Draft Scout Profile, Powered by The SportsXchange[/url]
02/27/08 - Zack Bowman might have made himself a decent chunk of change on Tuesday at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. The former Husker cornerback posted a 40-yard dash time clocked by some scouts at 4.38 seconds, one of the faster times at the combine. He also bench-pressed the standard 225 pounds 18 times, which is a formidable showing by a defensive back. The 6-foot-2, 200-pound Bowman was thought by many scouts to be a first-round talent after the 2005 Alamo Bowl, where he had five pass breakups and one interception against Michigan. But two serious knee injuries dampened his college career and his draft stock wavered. Despite that, he got an invite to the combine, where many scouts were anxious to see exactly how fast he could run after the injuries. While preparing for the combine, Bowman recently wrote a diary for nflplayers.com. About his injuries, Bowman wrote: “It actually made me value football a lot more. It wasn’t just a game to me. It was something that I loved doing and that I had a passion for. There are guys who go out here and actually think it’s just for fun, but once you’re taken away from it, then you really respect it. When you get injured like that, it’s tough.” - Brian Christopherson, Lincoln Journal Star

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[quote=Defensewins;437778]Maybe even for a 3rd rounder. Lito is better than any CB we get in the 3rd round of this draft.[/quote]

Ah, but is he better than any WR, D-lineman, or O-lineman we could possibly get in the 3rd round?

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[QUOTE=Rajmahal33;437877]Ah, but is he better than any WR, D-lineman, or O-lineman we could possibly get in the 3rd round?[/QUOTE]

Drafting someone, say, Jordy Nelson, you never know how he will perform at the next level, but with Lito Sheppard, you know what your getting, a good sold vet that can cover the other teams best WR.

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;437880]Drafting someone, say, Jordy Nelson, you never know how he will perform at the next level, but with Lito Sheppard, you know what your getting, a good sold vet that can cover the other teams best WR.[/QUOTE]

Yep.

Plus the Eagles play an aggressive blitzing defense that puts their corners in a lot of one on one situations. Lito did well in this scheme and he is good in run support as well. He would be a great fit on our defense.

Regarding our team needs, I am not sure why WR is hyped by some as such a high need? We have [B]a ton of money tied up on WR's[/B] that are here and on other teams. IMO drafting a WR high in the draft would be a luxury and not a necessity. We would be ignoring other high needs like DE, CB, OG, OT where are are getting old, injury prone and thin in depth.
Some of our issues last year in the passing game might have been more about growing pains of our young QB and an offensive line that fell apart to injury more so than lack of talent in our WR's.

WR's like QB and RB sells a lot of tickets and the media loves to hype. It is easy to get excited and delusional that a Wr will cure all.
We need to be careful about not going back to the Snyderatto drafting habits of their pre-Gibbs era, where we drafted alot of skiil postion guys high in the draft that did not pan out:
1) WR Taylor Jacobs
2) WR Clifford Russell
3) WR Rod Gardner
4) QB Patrcik Ramsey

Redskins have not selected a Defensive Lineman high in the draft since Kennard Lang in 1997. 10 years!

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;437843]That is true, he is very underrated, and he usually has to be up against the opponents best WR, and he still gets good numbers.[/QUOTE]

If you can get him for a 3rd, great, but the price is probably steeper.

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[quote=Defensewins;437891]
1) WR Taylor Jacobs
2) WR Clifford Russell
3) WR Rod Gardner
4) QB Patrcik Ramsey

[/quote]

1) WR Taylor Jacobs - Undersized and injury prone
2) WR Clifford Russell - Track star that had Spurrier looking at just his 40 time
3) WR Rod Gardner - For some reason the coaching staff seemed to give up on him

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[QUOTE=billyredskin;437758]By the way...when we drafted Carlos Rogers 9th overall in 2005, Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were then drafted 11th and 12th respectively. SHAWNE MERRIMAN!!! What were we thinking? You never draft for need...you take the best talent available. Carlos was not the best talent and has proven that fact. Sorry if I'm upsetting any Carlos fans, but facts are facts. Add up the pro bowls Merriman and Ware have been to and compare it to the ZERO Carlos has. I love ROcky, but if we drafted Ware or Merriman, we would have had Washington, Arrington and Merriman/Ware...that is a formidable tandem.[/QUOTE]

mmmmmmm, hindsight

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[quote=Dirtbag359;437924]1) WR Taylor Jacobs - Undersized and injury prone
2) WR Clifford Russell - Track star that had Spurrier looking at just his 40 time
3) WR Rod Gardner - For some reason the coaching staff seemed to give up on him[/quote]

4) QB Patrick Ramsey - Football portion of brain never fully developed.

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[QUOTE=tryfuhl;437957]mmmmmmm, hindsight[/QUOTE]

I followed Merriman in college very closely and I had no idea he'd be this good. At the time, we took a very highly rated player.

This happens every year. Think how many teams are sick about passing over Tom Brady.

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[QUOTE=redskinmania;438190]I followed Merriman in college very closely and I had no idea he'd be this good. At the time, we took a very highly rated player.

This happens every year. Think how many teams are sick about passing over Tom Brady.[/QUOTE]

We will see just how good Brady is next season when the defenses have headsets.

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[QUOTE=billyredskin;437758]By the way...when we drafted Carlos Rogers 9th overall in 2005, Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were then drafted 11th and 12th respectively. SHAWNE MERRIMAN!!! What were we thinking? You never draft for need...you take the best talent available. Carlos was not the best talent and has proven that fact. Sorry if I'm upsetting any Carlos fans, but facts are facts. Add up the pro bowls Merriman and Ware have been to and compare it to the ZERO Carlos has. I love ROcky, but if we drafted Ware or Merriman, we would have had Washington, Arrington and Merriman/Ware...that is a formidable tandem.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure if Carlos took as much HGH as Merriman has he would have become great as well. Merriman is not all natural talent, he had a little chemical help.

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[quote=ArcticRed;437774]Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Rogers is who we have. I agree that Rogers has not played up to where he was chosen, but it does nothing to look back at what we coulda done. I also agree with you to pick the best player available, but only of up to say 3 or 4 positions of need. Grade the player, grade the need, add it up and draft accordingly.

I also find myself doin the shoulda, coulda, wouldas. It only brings heartache, headachs, and hand fulls of hair. My biggest one is if only we coulda kept Stephen Davis long enough to play with Gibbs 2.0. Imho, hes the type of RB Gibbs has needed all along. But I digress.

I say bring Lito Sheppard in. Bring him in for a 4th or lower if hes not going to be released this year. I dont know where Philly stand if they can keep him on the roster or release him.

If what "Defensewins" says is true, we need that type of baller who can change the direction of a game. We lost our last one and need to find a replacement.[/quote]

Good post.

I hate the shoulda, coulda, woulda scenarios.

I say shoulda, coulda, woulda... who cares. You have to live with your decisions. You can learn from them, but obsessing over what could have been is a waste of time.

Also a good point when you said "Grade the player, grade the need, add it up and draft accordingly."

You can't draft by need alone or by best player alone. You have to consider both accordingly.

Regarding Davis he was already a shell of his former self by 2004. He wouldn't have helped much and he certainly was not feature back material by then.

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getting lito for a 3rd would be ideal. We've got the money for him, and would give our cornerback position much needed depth. I don't know if this is the type of shut-down corner Blache particularly wants, but would overall help the team out, and would create compitition.

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no thank you
price tag would be too high, and corner isn't as big a need as people are making it out to be

look what investing top dollar in the cornerback position got the Broncos
Spend the money somewhere else and try developing young DB talent through the later rounds

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Vinny should offer Philly our #3 and see if they bite. As the draft nears or on draft day itself, I would anticipate Reid dropping his asking price.

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he would be great at dime or nickel, and would complement a first or second round draft pick, but only if the price is right.

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[QUOTE=redskinmania;438190]Think how many teams are sick about passing over Tom Brady.[/QUOTE]

That would be every team, wouldn't it?

I like Sheppard but don't think CB is our biggest need so would be loathed to give up more than a 4th round pick.

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Sheppard is pretty solid but I wouldn't go higher than a 3rd for him. He definitely has some durability concerns.

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In any other year, I'd do a third for Lito, but the draft is so deep at CB this year, I'd rather grab a CB in the third who I could expect to develop [I]into[/I] Lito.

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Lito was a first rounder who developed into a very solid(Not great) corner. To draft a cb in the third would be neccesary to say the least for the team, but that player might not pan out, it's a gamble. Lito is proven, fast, and clutch. He has ended a lot of ball games with his ability. Of course if a quality cb falls into our lap in the 1st couple rounds then do that. If we don't get lito, and don't get a cb on the 1st day then yes, pick up a CB in the 3rd, of course; but don't draft a 3rd round question mark over a quality corner.

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Just a guess here, but if the Eagles' asking price for Lito Sheppard is a #2 pick - just to use as an example here - then the price for the Redskins and the Giants and the Cowboys will be higher. I believe the Eagles would trade him out of the NFC East for a lower price than within the NFC East.

Lito Sheppard is not a great player, but he is capable starting CB - one who has been a contributor to a team that has been very good during his tenure with it. I'm not sure there is a CB in the draft who could step in and play as well as Sheppard in 2008. Sure, some will play and develop into better players than Sheppard, but not next year.

I don't think the Eagles have to trade him. The Eagles have to be looking to find safety depth because Brian Dawkins is getting long in the tooth. Dawkins isn't finished, but he's not a kid any more. Maybe Sheppard would get a shot there if he stays in Philly???