Reed Doughty
 

What do you guys think of him?
can he be a full-time starter in the NFL?

he played well down the stretch and seemed to fit in well in the locker room

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[Personal opinion]: love the guy. hope he remains as the starter and develops

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[quote=JDub21;439018][Personal opinion]: love the guy. hope he remains as the starter and develops[/quote]

Exactly what I'm feeling..

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Is anybody averse to addressing FS in the draft this year? I have a hard time deciding because it would essentially be trying to replace someone who was very special to the team too quickly.

...I don't want to lose or taint the memory but I would want to improve if there are deficienies there, tough call.

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Well I think that Landry is our FS isn't he? I just hope that we don't draft Kenny Phillips. For one thing, it's sort of creepy. And for another I think he's an overrated U player (much like I think Calais Campbell is starting to become really undderrated)

Anyhow, as for Doughty. I think he can definitely be a full-time starter in the NFL. But for him to succeed he needs to be one of those types that has all the right pieces around him to help (at least for now). In other words, if Doughty struggled on the field I think Landry could still play at a superior level and pick up Doughty's slack. But if the reverse were happening, I think it would have a negative effect (affect?) on Doughty.

I'm definitely rooting for him though. He's been through a lot with his own kid and the moment that probably got me most choked up last season was when some moron asked him if the guys were crying in the locker room (after finding out ST had been shot, though still live) and he said "Of course" then choked up and added "it's real."

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I look at it as this: What happens if Laron Landry gets injured?

And it's exactly the reason I think we should draft Kenny Philips. Reed Doughty served as a solid and proven backup in the NFL and played well on special teams, where he should continue to do so. If injury were to strike one of our safties, he's there to fill the void and hopefully do a solid job. If we don't have someone like Kenny Philips and Laron gets injured.. what happens? We have a very weak deep secondary.

I know this is based on alot of "Ifs" but no one ever thought that Sean Taylor would go down and it happened. I think we should take the precautions to keep our secondary strong so we don't get torched like 2006.

Check out this video of him: [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807b1ebf]NFL Video Galleries[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;439029]Well I think that Landry is our FS isn't he? I just hope that we don't draft Kenny Phillips. For one thing, it's sort of creepy. And for another I think he's an overrated U player (much like I think Calais Campbell is starting to become really undderrated)

Anyhow, as for Doughty. I think he can definitely be a full-time starter in the NFL. But for him to succeed he needs to be one of those types that has all the right pieces around him to help (at least for now). In other words, if Doughty struggled on the field I think Landry could still play at a superior level and pick up Doughty's slack. But if the reverse were happening, I think it would have a negative effect (affect?) on Doughty.

I'm definitely rooting for him though. He's been through a lot with his own kid and the moment that probably got me most choked up last season was when some moron asked him if the guys were crying in the locker room (after finding out ST had been shot, though still live) and he said "Of course" then choked up and added "it's real."[/quote]

We moved Landy to FS after the tradegy so I thought he was going to go back to his orginial position after the season. Maybe you're right, but I thought they brought Landry to the team as a SS because he plays well close to the LOS.

I guess if we go into the season with Doughty starting he will be the SS, he better suits that position.

If Phillips fell to us in the second round that would be creepy because we might be forced to select him.

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[QUOTE=CPAlltheWay012;439030]I look at it as this: What happens if Laron Landry gets injured?

And it's exactly the reason I think we should draft Kenny Philips. Reed Doughty served as a solid and proven backup in the NFL and played well on special teams, where he should continue to do so. If injury were to strike one of our safties, he's there to fill the void and hopefully do a solid job. If we don't have someone like Kenny Philips and Laron gets injured.. what happens? We have a very weak deep secondary.

I know this is based on alot of "Ifs" but no one ever thought that Sean Taylor would go down and it happened. I think we should take the precautions to keep our secondary strong so we don't get torched like 2006.

Check out this video of him: [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807b1ebf]NFL Video Galleries[/url][/QUOTE]

Ok, but what if we don't draft Talib and Springs gets injured, or we don't draft Otah and Jansen gets injured, or we don't draft Albert and Thomas gets injured, or we don't draft Merling and Carter gets injured, or we don't draft Balmer and Montgomery gets injured...and so on?

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[quote=SmootSmack;439032]Ok, but what if we don't draft Talib and Springs gets injured, or we don't draft Otah and Jansen gets injured, or we don't draft Albert and Thomas gets injured, or we don't draft Merling and Carter gets injured, or we don't draft Balmer and Montgomery gets injured...and so on?[/quote]

The answer to that question is what has us in this precarious position. Making sure that you use your alotted selections on premier young talent coming out of the college ranks.

That is something we haven't been doing the past few years and are now suffering as a result. There is too much luck involved when your competitive season relies on none of our full time starters being lost for the year.

Building in the draft through multiple years is the only way we can eliminate the luck factor and be competitive year in and year out.

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I see Reed Doughty as a Ryan Clark clone. Not terribly fast, not terribly big, but takes good angles to the ball, is a very good fundamental tackler, and is smart enough in coverage not to get burned.

He will not generate turnovers, but he's a very solid NFL starter when paired with a premeir talent like Landry.

I think Doughty's presence allows us to draft for other needs first, and worry about acquiring depth at safety instead of spending a higher pick on a starter.

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Cooley seems pretty high on him from his blog:

[QUOTE]Of course being around the team year round I see a lot of things that no one else does. Down to the details of who works the hardest in the weight room. That said, it can still be a guess to who has a breakout year. Laron Landry will have a great season for us in his second year, but I think everyone expects that. The player that will surprise a lot of people is Reed Doughty. He is extremely smart as well as a very hard working player.[/QUOTE]

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I voted for Reed for the player most likely to have a brakeout season (on redskins.com). I only remember Reed getting beat twice last season, both when he first started to play full time. When he stared to play back when Sean was just rehabing his knee didnt he play as a FS for a few games. Thats where he was a liability, once moved to SS he did really well. He definitly got better as the season went on. So shouldnt that mean give him a chance and hope we dont spend a first day pick on a saftey.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;439048]Cooley seems pretty high on him from his blog:[/QUOTE]

Given that 'character' seems to be something that many people feel very strongly about on this site (see the number of complaints about the picking up of Mathis and the suggestion that we might pick up Chad Johnson (both of which I am not adverse to)) then Reed Doughty should be someone who is given and chance to cement himself as a starter; he is unquestionably a guy who boasts tremendous character.

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I like Doughty but there is no free lunch in the NFL, you got to earn your keep. Hopefully he worked hard on every aspect of his game so we don't have to draft a SS.

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[quote=JDub21;439017]What do you guys think of him?
can he be a full-time starter in the NFL?

he played well down the stretch and seemed to fit in well in the locker room[/quote]It was a great move by Williams switching him up with Landry. Taylor's athletic ability at FS was a key to the defensive changes last season, and Landry is much more an impact player than Reed would ever be in centerfield. I want to see Doughty get his fair shot as our starting SS this year. He's another high character, intelligent guy that Gibbs brought in, and he'll get better if given the chance to play more SS.

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Reed definitely deserves the chance to compete for a starting job. Finding another safety in the draft would be pretty low on my list of priorities. Maybe a 2nd day pick.

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I love Doughty, however, he lacks the speed needed in our current defensive backfield. He has what it takes to play safety as long as we get him some speed to keep up with burner receivers. He has angle, can hit, and is phenomenal on special teams. He is an asset but if we dont get some younger, faster CBs, we are going to need a quicker safety.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;439069]I love Doughty, however, he lacks the speed needed in our current defensive backfield. He has what it takes to play safety as long as we get him some speed to keep up with burner receivers. He has angle, can hit, and is phenomenal on special teams. He is an asset but if we dont get some younger, faster CBs, we are going to need a quicker safety.[/quote]I don't see Doughty having to cover burners as much if he's the starting SS. His first assignment should be the TE, or possibly the slot WR in 3 WR sets.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;439070]I don't see Doughty having to cover burners as much if he's the starting SS. His first assignment should be the TE, or possibly the slot WR in 3 WR sets.[/QUOTE]

as long as hes doing that, he will be great for us and I think we need to get a second day SS in the draft for depth.

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We have to remember we are not replacing Taylor with anybody. We're not going to get another player like him. Landry will do what he did to some extent but we can't expect to have two stud safeties back there like we did. The question is whether Doughty can be a productive safety for us and he showed last year that he probably can. He is not going to be Taylor but he can do the job and no one we bring in is going to do all that much better probably.

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JLC has reported a few times that vinney et al have identified safety as a position of need, and it certianly is given what happened last year & that Prioleau might sign elsewhere, not to mention stoutmire.

That doesn't mean saftey is a HIGH priority but if Phillips is there in the 2nd that's a relative bargain & I think they'll have a tough time not taking him. He had an off sr. year but is talented & has a good head/attitude.

That said, I'd love to see Doughty retain the starting spot w/a young speedster taking over on passing downs. Remember how GW had a bunch of safeties on the roster at times? I think his approach was to find the best players available for his nickel & dime packages, if that meant more safeties fine, if that meant more corners fine. Whichever is most effective. Will Blache take that approach or will he prefer to load up on one position to fill those packages?

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;439136]JLC has reported a few times that vinney et al have identified safety as a position of need, and it certianly is given what happened last year & that Prioleau might sign elsewhere, not to mention stoutmire.

That doesn't mean saftey is a HIGH priority but if Phillips is there in the 2nd that's a relative bargain & I think they'll have a tough time not taking him. He had an off sr. year but is talented & has a good head/attitude.

That said, I'd love to see Doughty retain the starting spot w/a young speedster taking over on passing downs. Remember how GW had a bunch of safeties on the roster at times? I think his approach was to find the best players available for his nickel & dime packages, if that meant more safeties fine, if that meant more corners fine. Whichever is most effective. Will Blache take that approach or will he prefer to load up on one position to fill those packages?[/QUOTE]


Well I know that as of about 6 weeks ago they had interest in the middle rounds for Jamar Adams.

Also, I wonder the latest is on Prioleau

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What about Johnathan Heffney? He is a pretty good safety from Tennessee. Fast and a good tackler.

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Reed Doughty is the second coming of Mark Murphy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;439138]Well I know that as of about 6 weeks ago they had interest in the middle rounds for Jamar Adams.

Also, I wonder the latest is on Prioleau[/quote]

that sounds like a good idea to me, a mid round pick for a depth guy that can play coverage ok & special teams.

I would guess that Prioleau would only be offered vet min. or little more. I'd like to see him here, but they do need to get younger & if they draft somebody he (PP) might not make the team anyway.

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Charlie Casserly mentioned last night that the late round safetys that know how to use their instincts to maxamize their effectiveness are becoming a valuable commodity in this league. In other words he indirectly praised Reed. I'd say give him a chance and use a 5th or 6th round pick on App. States Corey Lynch. This isn't like Mix where we have no idea what we're getting the guy started more then a few games.

I almost forgot that someone after the season compared Landry and Doughty's stats when each of them started SS, and the numbers with remarkably similar. In other words the numbers suggested that Reed plays strong safety as well as a rookie Laron Landry, and in all honesty thats more then enough for me. Let this guy start in 2008 and if he faulters use next years safety class to add a potential impact player. It's safe to assume that given how shallow this years safety class is, that next years class will be a lot deeper, and both Florida State and Missouri both have big and fast safetys that are currently poised to be first round picks in April 09.

Remember the last time we tried to add an impact safety when we had a solid starter was when we signed Adam Archuleta. And after that we had people wishing for the good old days of Clark and Taylor. Lets not make the same mistake again.

[quote=SmootSmack;439029]Well I think that Landry is our FS isn't he? I just hope that we don't draft Kenny Phillips. For one thing, it's sort of creepy. And for another I think he's an overrated U player (much like I think Calais Campbell is starting to become really undderrated)
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At the same time if we end up looking for a backup safety then I think it would have to be a guy that has experience as a FS. Mainly because if Reed goes down Landry can play SS, but if Landry goes down then we'll have a hard time switching Reed to play FS.

In other words

SS - Reed Doughty/ Laron Landry
FS - Laron Landry/ Rookie FS

In the meantime I'll have to look into weather or not Corey Lynch or Jamar Adams can play FS. I'm pretty sure though that Marcus Griffin played FS at Texas, and apparently Vinny Cerato is good friends with Texas Head Coach Mack Brown.

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Obviously I am in the minority here but I just don't think Reed is a starting caliber NFL safety. I think Reed is a more than adequate backup safety, and great special teams player for us, but nothing more. I like Reed a lot and I hope that he proves my wrong but I just don't trust him back there.

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Even though he is good, I believe its a little too early for him; he still needs to grow a little more.

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I'm actually kind of upset with the fanbase in general as it relates to Reed. If anything this is another case of Madden syndrome where unless a player is a potential 90 overall no one wants to give him a chance.

On top of that the people that say "get another safety, get another safety" also seem to be the ones saying Mix is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Also keep in mind the cries for get another safety in my quote refers to the desire to use a 1st round pick on Kenny Phillips, which I wouldn't totally be opposed to but at the same time we have other needs that we've choosen to wait until the draft address.

Reed played well last year, and the report from the real insider, Cooley, says that he should be poised for an even better year in 2008. Right now I'd say that he has enough experience to be confident and enough motivation to be the teams hardest worker this offseason. Give him a chance and if he messes up then use the deeper safety class from next years draft to find another safety.

In the end anyone that supports Mix, by nature of not wanting to be a hypocrite, should be at least equally if not more supportive of Reed.

With that said, I'd say that we definately need to look at adding a safety like Adams or Lynch in the 5th or 6th for depth. Hopefully if we trade down we can get an extra 5th round pick and leave the fifth with a DE and a FS.

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Another one might be that guy from LSU. Steltz?

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[quote=SmootSmack;439200]Another one might be that guy from LSU. Steltz?[/quote]

Actually it wld be good idea - LaRon should have not any problem playing with him obviously.. It wld speed up Steltz's learning process..

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Reed "No Doubt-y"
He played college ball at Northern Colorado, and let me tell you, the unholy stench of slaughterhouses permeates the town of Greeley, CO in a way that I can't describe, but let's just say it was good preparation for Philadelphia. Let him play, put him in there at starter and see how he does. Obviously he's no ST, but who is? He'll need to be an in the box hitter, because I don't see him as the centerfielder type. We definately have more pressing needs in the draft.

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[quote=RMSkins;439176]Obviously I am in the minority here but I just don't think Reed is a starting caliber NFL safety. I think Reed is a more than adequate backup safety, and great special teams player for us, but nothing more. I like Reed a lot and I hope that he proves my wrong but I just don't trust him back there.[/quote]

The reality is that Reed is a late round draft pick who we hope turns out to be a solid contributer. Anything more than that is gravy. With that said, the way the defense is set up plays to his strengths. He is an excellent tackler and is playing in a backfield with a bunch of 1st and 2nd round talent and, except for Springs, we are young.

If I compare that to say... d-line, then I see that we have glaring needs there by comparison. On the d-line we have a potential stud in Andre Carter but then we fall off fast. Griffith can be great when healthy, but he has struggled hard lately. Same with Daniels but he is a lesser impact even when healthy. Our d-line youth is filled with late round picks that we are praying pan out. This is the area we need to shore up first early in the draft.

I don't see anything wrong with bringing in competition for Reed, but we may be best served finding a good coverage safety role player to swap out with him on passing downs late in the draft or as a free agent.

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As a first year starter ,Reed done an outstanding job of not getting burned deep,tackling,and pass coverage.With that said,last year he was learning on the job training.Now lets see if he can be a step quicker,and read the offense.Give him a chance to exceed.A superstar no,a solid DB absolutely.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;439143]Reed Doughty is the second coming of Mark Murphy.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. I might add a little bit of Brad Edwards mixed in.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfan1967;439261]My thoughts exactly. I might add a little bit of Brad Edwards mixed in.[/QUOTE]

You are right! I forgot about good old Brad.

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I was thoroughly impressed with Doughty performance last year. I was a little skeptical of him, I had heard his praises sung by coaches and players alike, but I couldn't shake the stigma that surrounded him in my mind for having been brought in for his similarity to Archuleta. He proved himself last year though. He's a good starter, all we need is some depth late in the draft or UDFA.

Cooley's comments are certainly promising, but I heard similar things about Lloyd last year. Lloyd never produced anything beforehand however, and Doughty stepped up big for us last year.

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Reed had a nice season and deserves an opportunity to win a starting position. The Redskins have a number of needs to fill and they should remain flexible at #21 and take the best player available. They need offensive and defensive line help, corner back, safety and wide receiver. No need supersedes the other.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;439480]Reed had a nice season and deserves an opportunity to win a starting position. The Redskins have a number of needs to fill and they should remain flexible at #21 and take the best player available. They need offensive and defensive line help, corner back, safety and wide receiver. No need supersedes the other.[/quote]
I disagree. I think the DLine need is much more pressing than the rest. IMO, on the DL we need starters, the other places we need depth and role players.

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I look at it as this: What happens if Laron Landry gets injured?

And it's exactly the reason I think we should draft Kenny Philips. Reed Doughty served as a solid and proven backup in the NFL and played well on special teams, where he should continue to do so. If injury were to strike one of our safties, he's there to fill the void and hopefully do a solid job. If we don't have someone like Kenny Philips and Laron gets injured.. what happens? We have a very weak deep secondary.

I know this is based on alot of "Ifs" but no one ever thought that Sean Taylor would go down and it happened. I think we should take the precautions to keep our secondary strong so we don't get torched like 2006.

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I agree. Reed is not tha answer at FS or SS, but hey we have alot of question in the secondary. we'll see what happends