Saden1's Bitter Draft Poll: Who Do You LEAST Want?
 

So a lot of names have been mentioned in mock drafts for the Redskins.

But the most common names have been

CB Aqib Talib
DE Calais Campbell
DE Phillip Merling
WR Malcolm Kelly
WR Limas Sweed
WR Devin Thomas

So the question is, from the above list, whose name do you LEAST likely want called when the Redskins announce their first pick at #21.

(I left Albert and Phillips (among others) off the list because a.) that's a lot of names, and b.) they're either not mentioned as often or not likely to be around at 21 anyway)

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The answer to your question is: Malcolm Kelly.

I'd reverse order these picks as follows:

WR Malcolm Kelly
CB Aqib Talib
WR Limas Sweed
DE Calais Campbell
DE Phillip Merling
WR Devin Thomas

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Real close between Aqib Talib and Malcolm Kelly. I went with Aqib Talib because of his off the field baggage. Kelly is definitely 1a on that list though...

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Malcolm Kelly -- don't trust his injury history.

Id actually be excited if Talib fell to us.

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I chose Kelly because, well unfortunately just because he's WR; nor I want Thomas or Sweed.. I don't want us to draft any WR in 1st rd.. The history of 1st rounders of WR has proved itself..

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There is a correct answer to this question, so long as it's rephrased like this:

"Which player is most likely to bust out of the NFL?"

And as long as that's the question we are answering here, the probabilities say, undoubtably, that the answer is Devin Thomas. I gave him a 4th round draft grade, because of his elite physical skill, but we have no (read: zero) reason to think he's an NFL receiver?

A punt returner? Perhaps, but I'm not even sure he did that well in college.

Anyway, Thomas was a nobody before this season, caught 72 passes, and then bolted for the NFL draft. If he was any good, don't you think he would have stayed around for his Sr. year when Michigan State actually plans to contend for the Big Ten Championship?

Thomas is leaving because there's no guarentee he would start next year if he stayed in school. And if you are receiver who is arguably not good enough to start on a mid level college team, then how any team can justify spending a first round selection on you is beyond me.

The Redskins don't need a WR in the first round, but Devin Thomas would be a wasted selection, thusly he gets my vote.

I don't particuarly like Kelly or Talib either, but I could see both having a bit of success at the pro level. Thomas, I'd be surprised if he [B]ever[/B] started a game for us if we drafted him.

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ANY of the WRs. If we can keep up being fiscally responsible and making sound picks along the lines as well as shrewd contract decisions, over the next two to three years (the time it takes a receiver to develop) we could actually make a play for an elite WR and pay them the contract they would require.

That's ONE area I don't mind us spending a good chunk of money on.

If we're going WR AT ALL in the next few drafts, Crabtree from Texas Tech is insane.

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I went with talib.

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I went with Calais Campbell, and I'm probably gonna take some flak for this but I don't think he's worthy of a first round pick. His stats are unimpressive to me compared to the other defensive ends and the few Miami games I saw last season he didn't stand out in.

A close second would have to be the wide receivers, the only wide receiver I think we should consider taking in the first round is Devin Thomas, the rest of them I'd consider a good pickup in the second.

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I'd have to go with Sweed I dont trust a wrist injury on a receiver, that's a vital part of them doing there job on the field, catching...

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Outside of Merling or Talib, I don't want any of those as our first rounder.

Thomas - Not as down on him as GTripp, but he could very well bust. No way I use a #1 on him.
Campbell - pathetic combine performance. Either shows he's real weak or not motivated enough to prepare, either way he has "bust" written all over him.
Kelly - slow, whiny-baby.
Sweed - Nothing really against him, but we have more pressing needs than WR @ #21.
Talib - Good talent, fills a need, once we take away his bong and rolling papers and he'll be fine.
Merling - He's who I'm pulling for as our pick.

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kelly - 4.7, terrible workout numbers, huge injury concerns... just not a great bet.

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Devin Thomas, he had one good year, and I don't trust his hands.

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I don't want any WR with the first three picks. I'm not saying it's not an area we don't need to upgrade, just that none of the WR's are better than guys that will be there in the late 3rd round.

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Talib, something about this guy just screams Ahmad Carroll to me

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Any of the WRs

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[quote=djnemo65;439609]Talib, something about this guy just screams Ahmad Carroll to me[/quote]

Ha! I like that analogy. Although I chose Malcolm Kelly. Given his recent poor 40 times and the dreaded character issues (sorry, apologizing in clearly scripted legalese doesn't buy you a pass in my book), not to mention injury problems each of the past two seasons, leave me wary of this guy.

I agree with FRPLG that we should stay away from all WRs in the first round. I just don't think there is that much difference between guys like D. Thomas, Kelly, and Sweed, and 2nd/3rd round guys like Hardy and Nelson. It would be smarter IMO to go DL, OL, or DB with the 21st, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we took a wideout.

The only WR that wouldn't piss me off at 21 would be Sweed, given his wrist is 100%.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;439521]ANY of the WRs. If we can keep up being fiscally responsible and making sound picks along the lines as well as shrewd contract decisions, over the next two to three years (the time it takes a receiver to develop) we could actually make a play for an elite WR and pay them the contract they would require.

That's ONE area I don't mind us spending a good chunk of money on.

If we're going WR AT ALL in the next few drafts, [B]Crabtree from Texas Tech is insane.[/B][/quote]

He's amazing, but unless we finish with a terrible record next year or trade up we have no shot. He'll be a top 5 pick for sure if he stays healthy. Dude is sick.

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You know, after reading this article on NFL.com, maybe we shouldn't go OL in the 1st. If one of the top corners is there at 21 that may be the best play, given the depth at OL, particularly tackle. I knew it was a great year for the position, but not this good:

[I]Kevin Colbert, the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/URL]' director of football operations, calls it the best group of tackles he has seen in 24 years of evaluating NFL talent.[/I]
[I]"This class is so deep that you're going to get a top talent anywhere in the first through third rounds," Colbert says. "It's really a strong group. The majority of them can play on the left side or play both sides.[/I]
[I]"It's unusual to have that many guys that big, that athletic and that productive."[/I]
[I]If a half-dozen are chosen in the first round -- and especially if Long is the top overall pick -- the '08 draft could go down as the Year of the Offensive Tackle.[/I]

Link to the whole article: [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807bdad0&template=with-video&confirm=true]Michigan's Long holds same promise as former Big Ten rival[/url]

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I would love to see the team trade up to get Chris Williams, the T/G out of Vanderbilt. As I said in another thread we need a guy that can take over if Samuals ever goes down, and drafting Williams would give us Samuals replacement at LT for when he retires in 4 or 5 years. In the meantime the guy has experience at Guard and can probably start. Either way Samuals is one of the most important players on our team, and having a disaster plan in place is important.

And with trade ups now priced at an all time low, the possiblity of us getting away with just trading a 1st and 3rd is a distinct possibility. Of course we might have to trade a 1st and a 2nd to get the pick, but I think he would be one of the few guys that would be worth it. Personally I like him better then my other man crush, Branden Albert.

Anyway it all depends on what happens on draft day especially once we find out which teams that like Brian Brohm miss out or pass up on Ryan. The fact that they're really committed to BPA also makes it possible that the team could take a RB or a LB with one of their first 4 picks.

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I'll go with Talib (ironic I know). It's not because I don't think he's talented (OMG, he got burned by Jordy Nelson!!! So what?).It's because drafting him likely means getting lesser talent in later rounds at other positions.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;439662]I would love to see the team trade up to get Chris Williams, the T/G out of Vanderbilt. As I said in another thread we need a guy that can take over if Samuals ever goes down, and drafting Williams would give us Samuals replacement at LT for when he retires in 4 or 5 years. In the meantime the guy has experience at Guard and can probably start. Either way Samuals is one of the most important players on our team, and having a disaster plan in place is important.

And with trade ups now priced at an all time low, the possiblity of us getting away with just trading a 1st and 3rd is a distinct possibility. Of course we might have to trade a 1st and a 2nd to get the pick, but I think he would be one of the few guys that would be worth it. Personally I like him better then my other man crush, Branden Albert.

Anyway it all depends on what happens on draft day especially once we find out which teams that like Brian Brohm miss out or pass up on Ryan. The fact that they're really committed to BPA also makes it possible that the team could take a RB or a LB with one of their first 4 picks.[/quote]

Trade up to get Chris Williams when this is the most loaded draft possibly EVER for tackles? I don't see it.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;439662]I would love to see the team trade up to get Chris Williams, the T/G out of Vanderbilt. As I said in another thread we need a guy that can take over if Samuals ever goes down, and drafting Williams would give us Samuals replacement at LT for when he retires in 4 or 5 years. In the meantime the guy has experience at Guard and can probably start. Either way Samuals is one of the most important players on our team, and having a disaster plan in place is important.

And with trade ups now priced at an all time low, the possiblity of us getting away with just trading a 1st and 3rd is a distinct possibility. Of course we might have to trade a 1st and a 2nd to get the pick, but I think he would be one of the few guys that would be worth it. Personally I like him better then my other man crush, Branden Albert.

Anyway it all depends on what happens on draft day especially once we find out which teams that like Brian Brohm miss out or pass up on Ryan. The fact that they're really committed to BPA also makes it possible that the team could take a RB or a LB with one of their first 4 picks.[/QUOTE]

Tony Hills!

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[quote=GMScud;439670]Trade up to get Chris Williams when this is the most loaded draft possibly EVER for tackles? I don't see it.[/quote]

Well I do :( The problem is that the Tackles will fall to us in the first round are all RT mauler types and right now Stephon Heyer looks like hes going to get a chance to succed Jansen when Jansen calls it a career though I doubt they'll let him succeed Samuals in 2013.

[quote=SmootSmack;439671]Tony Hills![/quote]

I personally love Tony Hills, but at the same time I'm not to crazy about adding another injury prone lineman. Right now my favorite G/T combos are as follows

1. Chris Williams
2. Branden Albert
3. Duane Brown
4. Tony Hills

And personally I'm starting to develop a man-crush on Duane Brown (Thomas according to JLC).

Also funny thing about the whole "Talib burned Nelson." Well just for the sake of playing devils advocate, Kansas won that game 30-24.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;439666]I'll go with Talib (ironic I know). It's not because I don't think he's talented (OMG, he got burned by Jordy Nelson!!! So what?).It's because drafting him likely means getting lesser talent in later rounds at other positions.[/QUOTE]

Hey John Kerry just called. He wanted me to tell you to be more consistent :cheeky-sm

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[quote=Dirtbag359;439675]Well I do :( The problem is that the Tackles will fall to us in the first round are all RT mauler types and right now Stephon Heyer looks like hes going to get a chance to succed Jansen when Jansen calls it a career though I doubt they'll let him succeed Samuals in 2013.
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Who knows where anyone will be in 2013?? You want to draft a LT with our first round pick so he can sit on the bench for 4 or 5 years? Why on earth would we do that? Heyer looked decent at times last year, but still needs a lot of work. Plus his salary is bare bones, so why not bring in one of these beasts available in the first three rounds to push him? Heyer is a guy who one day may turn into a decent starter, but he doesn't exactly have pro-bowl written all over him. We need depth anyway. Bring in a guy or two who can start at tackle and/or guard if need be, and use Heyer for spot-starts and depth.

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[quote=GMScud;439678]Who knows where anyone will be in 2013?? You want to draft a LT with our first round pick so he can sit on the bench for 4 or 5 years? Why on earth would we do that? Heyer looked decent at times last year, but still needs a lot of work. Plus his salary is bare bones, so why not bring in one of these beasts available in the first three rounds to push him? Heyer is a guy who one day may turn into a decent starter, but he doesn't exactly have pro-bowl written all over him. We need depth anyway. Bring in a guy or two who can start at tackle and/or guard if need be, and use Heyer for spot-starts and depth.[/quote]

Lol, yeah I guess you're right about 2013. However in the mean time Williams projects as a starting Guard. And if anything he has all the tools in terms of size and technique to be a good one. Not to mention he's super smart. Guy went to Vanderbilt for Gods sake. And obviously they don't make exceptions when it comes to football players as they've sucked for a long time. (Appologies to my cousin who is a scholarship athlete at Vandy).

The thing I like about Williams is his ability to become a very good guard as well as the fact that we would have an excellent insurance policy at our lines most important position.

Personally I like Heyer a lot and I like where he is in his development, the only thing that really concerns me about Heyer is his durability which obviously has been a HUGE problem for the team.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;439676]Hey John Kerry just called. He wanted me to tell you to be more consistent :cheeky-sm[/QUOTE]

Zing! :)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;439680]Lol, yeah I guess you're right about 2013. However in the mean time Williams projects as a starting Guard. And if anything he has all the tools in terms of size and technique to be a good one. Not to mention he's super smart. Guy went to Vanderbilt for Gods sake. And obviously they don't make exceptions when it comes to football players as they've sucked for a long time. (Appologies to my cousin who is a scholarship athlete at Vandy).

The thing I like about Williams is his ability to become a very good guard as well as the fact that we would have an excellent insurance policy at our lines most important position.

Personally I like Heyer a lot and I like where he is in his development, the only thing that really concerns me about Heyer is his durability which obviously has been a HUGE problem for the team.[/quote]

I agree that Williams is a solid prospect. As a huge Gator fan, I've seen plenty of Chris Williams. He's a great lineman for sure, but my point is I don't think he's worth trading up for given the OL depth in the draft. He could very well be there when we pick at #21 anyway.

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[quote=GMScud;439684]I agree that Williams is a solid prospect. As a huge Gator fan, I've seen plenty of Chris Williams. He's a great lineman for sure, but my point is I don't think he's worth trading up for given the OL depth in the draft. He could very well be there when we pick at #21 anyway.[/quote]

Yeah, I have to admit I didn't totally think that one out. I just like him as a prospect, but at the same time we can get a similar guy in the 2nd if we take Duane Brown.

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[quote=FRPLG;439614]Any of the WRs[/quote]
im with you. our needs are much more pressing at other positions

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Definitely wouldn't want Talib after reading this:

[QUOTE]“There is no way I’d touch (Talib),” one team told PFW. “He’s gotten into a lot of trouble, and he still does not get it.”

“He’s got a laundry list of issues,” another team executive said of Talib's off-the-field behavior. “He’s not a one-time offender. Give a guy like him money, and it never gets better. It only gets worse.” [/QUOTE]

If we could get Kelly in the 2nd that would be a steal.

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I voted Talib. Just sounds too much like Taliban.

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This is tricky. On one hand you have to look at who's has the least value at the 21st pick. Scratch Talib. He would be considered a steal at that point and we would draft him because of that. On the flipside, Campbell and Sweed would be considered reaches. So therefore I wouldn't be happy with either of them (voted Campbell). Now. Thomas, Kelly, and Merling would be about spot on. These two wideouts bring totally different attributes to the game. Thomas seems to have the makeup of a prototypical pro. I think of Jordy Nelson in the same way: Can he be had in round two or on day two? Kelly seems to be a slower and possibly hurt Plaxico Burress (see how Burress still dominated games at less than 100%) Kelly is a nightmare for smallish NFL CBs and he doesn't drop balls. Merling is likely the safest pick.

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I don't think Merling or Thomas will be there at 21, Kelly and Calais Cambell are 2nd round talent, Sweed is not worth a 21 pick,and niether is Talib.

I think the skins should
1. either trade down to grab an extra 2nd and 3rd, and then grab Calais Cambell or Lawrence Jackson(whichever is available), and Malcom Kelly in the 2nd round(a steal), and then adress the o-line and CB positions in the third.
2. or trade up with either Chicago to grab Branden Albert.
3. Or go big and trade up with Kansas City to grab Chris Long or Vernen Gholston or Glenn Dorsey, all of which are blue chips in my opinion and one would definetly be available.
I want them to trade down, but it seems like every team wants to trade down, so maybe we could get a steal by trading up. If Merling is available at 21 then just grab him, but all of the other prospects are not worth the value of 21. I say TRADE DOWN- aquire more picks in this very deep draft, that would be the smart move

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Answer is Aqib Talib to me. He's highly overrated, gives up too many big plays.