Report: J. Allen traded to Vikings (edit)
 

I know we've discussed him before. But with new information, I figured it was best to start a new thread. The Redskins don't appear to be players in these sweepstakes, but should they be? He won't come cheap.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8043460/Chiefs]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Chiefs' Allen talking with Vikings, Bucs[/url]

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Can you imagine the D-line in Minnesota if they get him?!?! Talk about a force.

I'd love him in the B&G but I don't see it happening now.

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This might be one of the few trades that I'm willing to really get on board with. Of course I don't want to give up a 1st and 2nd but I will settle for a 1st and 3rd. If I read right he's about 25 years old.

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I would love to get him for a 1st and 3rd. We need a 1st or 2nd round DE anyway, and Allen is a proven commodity. Could you imagine Allen and Carter as bookends? Together they could probably get 23 sacks with some more coming from Griffin, Washington and Montgomery.

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[quote=rypper11;440424]I would love to get him for a 1st and 3rd. We need a 1st or 2nd round DE anyway, and Allen is a proven commodity. Could you imagine Allen and Carter as bookends? Together they could probably get 23 sacks with some more coming from Griffin, Washington and Montgomery.[/quote]
...and Landry. :)

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I dont know. At the end of last year, I figured we needed Jared Allen and Chad Johnson and we were superbowl bound. Now they have me convinced that Daniels can play till he is fifty and that Chris Wilson will make the pro bowl next year. I think at this point, I want to see them use their draft choices and draft. I am excited about them possibly moving down to get more picks. I guess, I am not a big fan of this move.

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I wonder how all this affects the draft. Two first round picks means that the Chiefs can trade up for Jake Long or take a QB at 17 and Albert or Clady at 5, or better yet get a DE at 5, an OL at 17, and then trade up with the Skins for their pick at QB for 21. Then again maybe the trade up is just a pipe dream.

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I'd like to see him in a Skins uni but I think the price is too high and not worth paying for. Better to keep our draft picks and use them wisely.

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Its like all or nothing in terms of FA for the B&G.... this man is a proven producer with a high motor. If you watched that show on HBO last preseason you got to see alot of the guy and it really made me wish he was on our team

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I remember him when we played them a few years ago...he tore us apart! I'd love to have him, unlike a draft pick...you know what you're getting with him!

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[quote=SmootSmack;440374]I know we've discussed him before. But with new information, I figured it was best to start a new thread. The Redskins don't appear to be players in these sweepstakes, but should they be? He won't come cheap.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8043460/Chiefs"]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Chiefs' Allen talking with Vikings, Bucs[/URL][/quote]

oooooooh....I likes this!

I haven't read the article yet but I like the sound of Allen being available. Although I don't want to touch this draft at all to do try to acquire him I wouldn't mind listening to some trade numbers.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;440383]Can you imagine the D-line in Minnesota if they get him?!?! Talk about a force.

I'd love him in the B&G but I don't see it happening now.[/QUOTE]

Too bad the Vikings don't have a QB, so they will be once again a team with a great defense and a below average offense (I would call it a terrible offense, if Adrian Peterson wasn't there).

Allen would be expensive, and we would def have to give up our first rounder...but I don't know...would we give up a 1st rd pick and a later round from next year? This is a tough one. Maybe our 1st rd and Ladell? (give the Chefs a solid back up for Larry Johnson, who carries the ball like 50 times)

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[quote=Ruhskins;440511]Allen would be expensive, and we would def have to give up our first rounder...but I don't know...would we give up a 1st rd pick and a later round from next year? This is a tough one. Maybe our 1st rd and [B]Ladell?[/B] (give the Chefs a solid back up for Larry Johnson, who carries the ball like 50 times)[/quote]

No way, I don't want Redskins to trade Betts ever - he chose to sign with us instead of going to market for big money.. And we express our gratitude by trading him away? And beside as much I love CP, but his history show he can get injured easily..

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Well apparently the Chiefs are asking for a 1st and 2nd (the Vikings supposedly have offered a 1st and 3rd)

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In a fantasy world who wouldn't mind having him (as long as he cuts the mullet, with the fam; that way we can come outta the back room crackin up.)? In reality we have too many needs to give up 2 picks for one guy (unless that guy is Chad Johnson).

Now many of you may be wondering why I would give up two picks for CJ and not for JA. It's simple, the game is determined by how many points are put on the scoreboard, not how many sacks are put on the QB. The defensive line is a need, but the offense is a need as a whole.

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Allen is a good player, but two first round draft picks is too much.

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The Vikings spent a first round pick on a DE two-consecutive years to get Kenichi Udeze and Erasmus James. While neither is a "bust", they're obviously not taking care of business if the Vikings are willing to give up a 1st & 3rd pick to get Allen.

What I'm getting at is draft picks (especially in the 20's) are never a sure thing. Jared Allen IS. There is no debate he is one of the best in the league, and is only 25.

So, our options are to give up a 1st and 3rd (or 2nd) to get a guaranteed stud, or we could take our chances on a Merling or Thomas or the like (who only had 1 standout season in college - fluke?).

I'm all for building through the draft, but it's a lot like gambling. You can bet on the favorite and know that you're likely going to win, or you can bet on the longshot and if it works if you're a genious and if it doesn't (and this is a likely possibility) then you've wasted your money.

I like the sure thing.

Granted, I'm not saying we should drink silly juice and put forth a rediculously one-sided offer (a la the Champ Bailey trade), but if we can make sense of it, let's do it.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;440564]The Vikings spent a first round pick on a DE two-consecutive years to get Kenichi Udeze and Erasmus James. While neither is a "bust", they're obviously not taking care of business if the Vikings are willing to give up a 1st & 3rd pick to get Allen.

What I'm getting at is draft picks (especially in the 20's) are never a sure thing. Jared Allen IS. There is no debate he is one of the best in the league, and is only 25.

So, our options are to give up a 1st and 3rd (or 2nd) to get a guaranteed stud, or we could take our chances on a Merling or Thomas or the like (who only had 1 standout season in college - fluke?).

I'm all for building through the draft, but it's a lot like gambling. You can bet on the favorite and know that you're likely going to win, or you can bet on the longshot and if it works if you're a genious and if it doesn't (and this is a likely possibility) then you've wasted your money.

I like the sure thing.

Granted, I'm not saying we should drink silly juice and put forth a rediculously one-sided offer (a la the Champ Bailey trade), but if we can make sense of it, let's do it.[/quote]

So what happens if Jared Allen turns out to be a system guy (I'm not saying he will)? Even signing a FA is risky. Not even they are sure things.

Remember Bryce Paup. One hit wonder.

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Well Udeze has leukemia and James has had 3 knee surgeries in the past year so neither should be counted for 2008, at least. Trading draft picks for Jared Allen probably won't be too difficult. It's shelling out the $80+ million over 6 years that he reportedly wants.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;440577]Well Udeze has leukemia and James has had 3 knee surgeries in the past year so neither should be counted for 2008, at least. Trading draft picks for Jared Allen probably won't be too difficult. It's shelling out the $80+ million over 6 years that he reportedly wants.[/QUOTE]

Mr. SmootSmack,

(As usual) your points are very valid - and indisputable. I agree that we shouldn't overpay/trade for the guy. Hopefully, Danny has figured that out by now, right?!

Respectfully,
THE ADE

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Yeah... those guys were a real force for us last year when CP and line pushed them all over the field!

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;440383]Can you imagine the D-line in Minnesota if they get him?!?! Talk about a force.

I'd love him in the B&G but I don't see it happening now.[/quote]

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;440588]Mr. SmootSmack,

(As usual) your points are very valid - and indisputable. I agree that we shouldn't overpay/trade for the guy. Hopefully, Danny has figured that out by now, right?!

Respectfully,
THE ADE[/quote]

Wipe that brown stuff off of your face [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]. Not worth the time or money is an accurate statement though. When are we going to find our own superstars instead of buying everyone elses? Now, I believe is the time.

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[quote=angryssg;440569]So what happens if Jared Allen turns out to be a system guy (I'm not saying he will)? Even signing a FA is risky. Not even they are sure things.

Remember Bryce Paup. One hit wonder.[/quote]

If he is a system guy then it's because he's a 4-3 system guy instead of a 3-4. In fact the only way a team can screw up Jared Allen is if they come up to him before a game and say, "OK Jared, we're going to line you up at Safety today." That is the only way you can make Jared Allen a bust at this point.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;440639]If he is a system guy then it's because he's a 4-3 system guy instead of a 3-4. In fact the only way a team can screw up Jared Allen is if they come up to him before a game and say, "OK Jared, we're going to line you up at Safety today." That is the only way you can make Jared Allen a bust at this point.[/quote]

Ok, you have faith in Jarred Allen. I can respect that. Now based on what you just said about JA, Javon Kearse shold be just as crappy this upcomming season as he has been in Philadelphia. On the other hand if Kearse performs at the level that he did in his first stint in Tennessee, will it or will it not be the system and not the player?

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[quote=angryssg;440640]Ok, you have faith in Jarred Allen. I can respect that. Now based on what you just said about JA, Javon Kearse shold be just as crappy this upcomming season as he has been in Philadelphia. On the other hand if Kearse performs at the level that he did in his first stint in Tennessee, will it or will it not be the system and not the player?[/quote]

Oh yeah, almost forgot about Javon Kearse. Well in that case can I blame that on injuries, because he never played 16 games *regular season* for the Eagles since he got there in 2004? In fact he never played 16 regular season games in a season since 2001.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;440642]Oh yeah, almost forgot about Javon Kearse. Well in that case can I blame that on injuries, because he never played 16 games *regular season* for the Eagles since he got there in 2004?[/quote] Contrary to popular belief I do belive that evryone is entitled to their own opinion. His lack of production may have been caused by injuries others may believe that it was due to the system. First, he has to come back and produce. If he does then, it will be the system and not the injuries IMO. If he doesn't produce then I will chalk it up to age and injuries.

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"Grandpa" Kearse is like 31 or something and has had his knees replaced 6 times (guess). Not a fair comparison to Jared Allen.

To Dirtbag's comment: I think you could also make Jared Allen a bust if you made him the punter. Although he may surprise...

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[QUOTE=angryssg;440644]Contrary to popular belief I do belive that evryone is entitled to their own opinion. His lack of production may have been caused by injuries others may believe that it was due to the system. First, he has to come back and produce. If he does then, it will be the system and not the injuries IMO. If he doesn't produce then I will chalk it up to age and injuries.[/QUOTE]

Is it the same system as when he left? Just cause it's the same team it doesn't mean they've changed systems. Does anyone know? Is it worth the effort to figure out? Probably not...

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;440647]Is it the same system as when he left? Just cause it's the same team it doesn't mean they've changed systems. Does anyone know? Is it worth the effort to figure out? Probably not...[/quote]

Yes, it is the same system for the most part. Bye the way it was a fair comparison because Kearse didn't turn 31 or something until recently. When he left the Titans, much like JA now, he was considered one of the best DEs in the league.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440537]Well apparently the Chiefs are asking for a 1st and 2nd (the Vikings supposedly have offered a 1st and 3rd)[/quote]

Why is KC putting him on the market? That doesn't make sense to get rid of a guy who is a young premier pass rusher.

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[quote=skinsfan69;440655]Why is KC putting him on the market? That doesn't make sense to get rid of a guy who is a young premier pass rusher.[/quote]

I believe that it's because they have many needs and they are trying to stockpile picks. By trading JA for a couple of quality picks, it helps them out with numbers both in personnel and money.

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KC is a team that's definitely in serious rebuilding mode. I guess they figure they'd be better off with picks and I'm sure they are probably hesitant about locking up Allen considering his past legal issues.

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you want the vikes to get him. if they do, there's a much better chance of derrick harvey falling to us. not great, but they're the last team he could possibly get to unless they pickup a serious DE before the draft.

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Unless the Chiefs use that pick now on Harvey (or Merling)

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Just reported on profootballtalk.com that the trade to the Vikings is almost done, just working out salary...

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First and a 2nd right?

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So now the Vikings are reportedly offering a 1st in 2008, a 3rd in 2008, and a 2nd in 2009. Chiefs should take that.

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wow, thats a good deal for the chiefs. at 17 overall they can replace him, then use the 2nd and 3rd to improve their team. 1-2 year drop off at that spot, but they're not winning anything next year anyways.

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[QUOTE=Angry;440657]I believe that it's because they have many needs and they are trying to stockpile picks. By trading JA for a couple of quality picks, it helps them out with numbers both in personnel and money.[/QUOTE]

The reason he is on the trading block is because Jared Allen was franchised and he told the Chiefs that he was not going to resign with the team. They figured trade him now why his stock is high rather then lose him next year and get nothing in return

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NFL.com just reported that Jared Allen was traded to Vikings..

Will post the link up once it is up, u can go to nfl.com as u sld see it tho..