Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557]ESPN - Sources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no - NFL[/url]

This is the best thing that has happened to us in a while. I personally love Chad, but I love the Skins more and we need to keep our picks

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wow...two first and no dice huh...

Id be ok with giving up a first and next years third for him though.

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I absolutely love CJ -- but two firsts is just too high for him. I want him in DC, but not even for that price. That said, the Bengals are idiots to have turned this down if the report is accurate.

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OK if they rejected that then they will reject everything

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I want Chad in the worst way, but I concur that 2 first rounders is too much.

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[quote=Daseal;441367]I absolutely love CJ -- but two firsts is just too high for him. I want him in DC, but not even for that price. That said, the Bengals are idiots to have turned this down if the report is accurate.[/quote]

If I was the Bengals I would have turned it down. You are trading a dominant player at his position, for the hopes of drafting a replacement. The vikings did this with Randy Moss for the 7th pick in the draft and even then they couldnt find a replacement. Its a gamble.

Of course Chad doesnt watn to be there, but I think they are better off trying to prove to him they want to win and getting him to change his attitude.

Is there any receiver at 21 in this years draft that could have a more immediate impact than CJ? Time will tell...but probably not in the near term

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If they're rejecting that offer good luck finding something better.

I still think something could get worked out after June 1.

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Maybe the Bengals are willing to wait till draft day to see whats available at suitors' picks -- but I think this is crystal clear they're going to keep him. Interesting to see if he'll play this year.

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Not to discredit a colleague, but I don't know that's entirely accurate. I'm pretty sure it was the 1st and a player (Betts?) for CJ or the 1st, conditional '09 for CJ and a pick

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Totally, agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep the pics. The Redskins are not a team one player away from a championship. A good draft does give us the best chance to ultimately reach our goals. Is Vinny afraid he can't make the right choices? If he is, then he is correct to go after proven stars even if they are locker room nightmares. Sorry, but I am no fan of Cerrato.

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Vinny has always been in favor of using the draft more and had he had more of a say in things in recent years we probably wouldn't have made some of the moves that we did in free agency. That said, if we went after a big name WR I don't think that's an indication that this shift towards using the draft is out the window.

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I think we all agree that two 1st's is WAY too much. One, maybe.

Everyone always focuses on the picks only, and not on the impact of signing a guy like CJ would have on our cap. You'd know he'd "wanna get paid" and it'll have to come at the expense of someone else not getting paid. IMO, that's what really makes this hard to do.

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I'd be fine spending this years first on a proven WR or DE, especially since the bust rate of those players in the draft is typically so high. If I found out we used our first on CJ, Roy Williams, anyone else available that is a #1 or maybe a jared allen / julius peppers -- I'm more than okay with it. Especially since it seems like rookies make more than vets now days =p

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Bad offer!! 2 possible first round picks for a player who's about to turn 30 and is a malcontent. No thanks!! Please Cincy, stick to your guns.

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Thank God that the Bengals can save us from ourselves.

How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.

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How is this heaving their draft strategy out the window? Trading one pick this year out of 9 for one of the best WR in the game (a position the team has explicitly said is a need), who almost definitely has several good years ahead of him.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;441386]Thank God that the Bengals can save us from ourselves.

How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.[/quote]


Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.

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[quote=SmootSmack;441388]How is this heaving their draft strategy out the window? Trading one pick this year out of 9 for one of the best WR in the game (a position the team has explicitly said is a need), who almost definitely has several good years ahead of him.[/quote]

It was supposed to be bringing in young players and teaching them the system. Not outsourcing your superficial needs at the time and jeopardizing the future of your team.

That's why Gibbs last action was to keep all the Redskins draft picks for them to use. Because even Gibbs knew the deficiency in our frachise was at its depth, and skill at depth. The only thing to remedy that is to use every pick that you are alotted on a young player in hopes of building depth.

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I would love to have a playmaker of CJ ability, but honestly, 1 first rounder is too much for a receiver that is 30 years old. He is not in his "prime" anymore. he may have 1 good/great year. But, to get him if the trade went through we would have to restructure his contract, give him 15-20 million guaranteed and a 6 year deal. It honestly doesn't make a ton of sense to that. If you are going to go after someone like that, then go after a Roy Williams who is younger and may have a couple more years than Chad has. Plus, I thought we wanted a BIG receiver, chad is what 6' maybe 6'1, plus the dude is a head case. I just dont see it meshing well with our locker room. He is twice as bad and Lloyd and no body on the team could stand his stupid ass.

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[quote=mlmpetert;441390]Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.[/quote]

A) Smoot already said above that he is pretty sure the report was slightly off. Read the thread.

B) Even if the report was 100% accurate it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd in '09 that [I]could [/I]escalate to a 1st. The escalator clauses would probably be include some or all of things like - Pro Bowl selection, All-Pro selection, 1,400-1,500 yards receiving, 10+ TDs, Conference Championship appearance, or the like. I'm sure the escalators weren't catch 25 passes for 300 yards. They were likely team/individual performance levels that, if met, would have us forgetting about giving up the picks.

The Dolphins made a trade like this several years ago for Ricky Williams. it was a conditional pick that eventually escalated to a 1st when Ricky rushed for 1,800 yards. Now over the long term Ricky didn't pan out in Miami, but that first year he was dominant. If we could get Owens/Moss like production out of Johnson (I'd assume the escalators kicked in with elite level performance) then two 1sts could be worth it. But it wasn't just two 1sts straight up. Get it straight, it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd - and that assumes the report was 100%.

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He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?

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I don't believe this story one bit.

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I'm all about giving up this years 1st round pick, but no more. Chad is a better WR that we can pick up in the 1st round, and probably 2nd. He has his problems, so we'll just assign Mike Sellers to be his roomate on the road, and tell Mike he'll get twice as many carries if he keeps Chad in line....Problem solved.

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If we gave two 1st round picks for Chad Johnson we would complete morons. If Cincy rejected that offer they would be complete morons. Therefore I don't think the details are entirely accurate.

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[quote=SmootSmack;441375]Not to discredit a colleague, but I don't know that's entirely accurate. I'm pretty sure it was the 1st and a player (Betts?) for CJ or the 1st, conditional '09 for CJ and a pick[/quote]
Yeah I read that we offered this year's 1st round pick, and a 2009 conditional 3rd round pick.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;441394]He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?[/QUOTE]

Right On SS they are haters

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[quote=#56fanatic;441392]I would love to have a playmaker of CJ ability, but honestly, 1 first rounder is too much for a receiver that is 30 years old. He is not in his "prime" anymore. he may have 1 good/great year. But, to get him if the trade went through we would have to restructure his contract, give him 15-20 million guaranteed and a 6 year deal. It honestly doesn't make a ton of sense to that. If you are going to go after someone like that, then go after a Roy Williams who is younger and may have a couple more years than Chad has. Plus, I thought we wanted a BIG receiver, chad is what 6' maybe 6'1, plus the dude is a head case. I just dont see it meshing well with our locker room. He is twice as bad and Lloyd and no body on the team could stand his stupid ass.[/quote]

Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

[B]WR production after 30 -[/B]

[B]Jerry Rice:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5
1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33)
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880"]Jerry Rice[/URL]

Chris Carter:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 7
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/criscarter/profile?id=CAR632736"]Cris Carter[/URL]

Art Monk:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 8
1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/artmonk/profile?id=MON230710"]Art Monk[/URL]

Tim Brown:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 9
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)

Marvin Harrison:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting
1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)

Terrell Owens:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting
1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)

Randy Moss:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 1
1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)

[/B]So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.

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Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

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[quote=KB24;441403]Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds![/quote]

Glad no one is overreacting.

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We may have offered a first round pick and a lower pick, but don't buy into the the two first round picks. Everyone is blowing smoke with their "team
and league sources". They're all using the media as a negotiating tool.

I'm sure anything beyond the first round pick would have all kinds of conditions attached.

All this pre-draft hype and trade talks is worse than a bunch of dealers
at a used car auction.

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I think it was the possibility of 2 1st rounders...still that's too much. That's the skins though...one way trades where we're not the beneficiary. As SS said though, it may not be accurate.

1st and a late pick, yes. 2 1st rounders might be too much.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;441391]It was supposed to be bringing in young players and teaching them the system. Not outsourcing your superficial needs at the time and jeopardizing the future of your team.

That's why Gibbs last action was to keep all the Redskins draft picks for them to use. Because even Gibbs knew the deficiency in our frachise was at its depth, and skill at depth. The only thing to remedy that is to use every pick that you are alotted on a young player in hopes of building depth.[/quote]
Well Gibbs was not here for free agency so how do you know if he would have saved them. The only one we are missing is the one Gibbs traded for some running back to sit on the bench all year.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;441401]Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

[B]WR production after 30 -[/B]

[B]Jerry Rice:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33) [/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880"]Jerry Rice[/URL][/B]

[B]Chris Carter:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 7[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/criscarter/profile?id=CAR632736"]Cris Carter[/URL][/B]

[B]Art Monk:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 8[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/artmonk/profile?id=MON230710"]Art Monk[/URL][/B]

[B]Tim Brown:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 9[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)[/B]

[B]Marvin Harrison: [/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)[/B]

[B]Terrell Owens:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)[/B]

[B]Randy Moss:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 1[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)[/B]

So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.[/quote]

Age isn't the issue it's the cost, and not in dollars. No one doubts CJ is going to play in well in the NFL for while. Its the price you're going to pay to have him as a Redskin and the deteriment to the team's future in lost draft picks.

Make a list of high priced free agents that the Redskins have acquired and write their stats next it. You'll have the reverse argument.

Right now I think it's better for the team to build Redskins and not buy them. Gibbs had that outlook on the franchise when he made sure that the Redskins had all their picks for the 2008 draft.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;441393]A) Smoot already said above that he is pretty sure the report was slightly off. Read the thread.

B) [B]Even if the report was 100% accurate it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd in '09 that [I]could [/I]escalate to a 1st. The escalator clauses would probably be include some or all of things like - Pro Bowl selection, All-Pro selection, 1,400-1,500 yards receiving, 10+ TDs, Conference Championship appearance, or the like. I'm sure the escalators weren't catch 25 passes for 300 yards. They were likely team/individual performance levels that, if met, would have us forgetting about giving up the picks. [/B]

The Dolphins made a trade like this several years ago for Ricky Williams. it was a conditional pick that eventually escalated to a 1st when Ricky rushed for 1,800 yards. Now over the long term Ricky didn't pan out in Miami, but that first year he was dominant. If we could get Owens/Moss like production out of Johnson (I'd assume the escalators kicked in with elite level performance) then two 1sts could be worth it. But it wasn't just two 1sts straight up. Get it straight, it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd - and that assumes the report was 100%.[/quote]

Yeah seriously thanks for pointing that out. People here are bitching about two first rounders, but it isn't. It is a 3rd, that is conditional.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;441401]Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

[B]WR production after 30 -[/B]

[B]Jerry Rice:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33) [/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880"]Jerry Rice[/URL][/B]

[B]Chris Carter:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 7[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/criscarter/profile?id=CAR632736"]Cris Carter[/URL][/B]

[B]Art Monk:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 8[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/artmonk/profile?id=MON230710"]Art Monk[/URL][/B]

[B]Tim Brown:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 9[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)[/B]

[B]Marvin Harrison: [/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)[/B]

[B]Terrell Owens:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)[/B]

[B]Randy Moss:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 1[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)[/B]

So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.[/quote]


I agree there are some players that play at a high level for several years after the age of 30 - but these may be exceptions not the rule. The players you gave as an example are very good examples. thanks.

the age was one of my aguements, not the whole thing. The other two about money and overall attitude are hard to ignore. If we have adopted this new philosphy of building with draft picks and not overspending on aging players - this doesn't fall into that catagory.

I agree we would not draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd round with the ability of a chad johnson, but at what price? I just think the cons out weigh the pros in this situation. We have good chemistry, an overall good group of guys that formed a family. This clown doesn't fit that in my opinion. Its all about Chad, no one else. Chad wants to win and more importantly pad his stats. If we win, I am sure he will say and do the right things, but what if we hit a tough stretch?? I think he will be more of a distraction than an addition. the money - do we really need to give out 15-20 million guaranteed to this guy??

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Dirtbag will love this....[url=http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244967]EXTREMESKINS.com - Dan & Vinny Duped Us / Danny please sell the team / #85 Offer Vent Thread (Merged)[/url] (morons)

Anyhow, while trying to actually do my own work I'm trying to get some more info on this rumored deal (also curious what the Cowboys and Eagles are offering, but if it's true the Eagles offered Lito and their 1st for Roy Williams that should tell you something), and it appears that some of these "performance levels" are rather high (even unrealistic), Johnson sets single season TD record for a WR, Redskins host NFC Championship game.

Can't confirm that 100%. But if that's the case, I can see why we made the offer and why the Bengals turned it down.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;441401]Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

[B]WR production after 30 -[/B]

[B]Jerry Rice:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33) [/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880"]Jerry Rice[/URL][/B]

[B]Chris Carter:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 7[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/criscarter/profile?id=CAR632736"]Cris Carter[/URL][/B]

[B]Art Monk:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 8[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/artmonk/profile?id=MON230710"]Art Monk[/URL][/B]

[B]Tim Brown:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 9[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)[/B]

[B]Marvin Harrison: [/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)[/B]

[B]Terrell Owens:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting[/B]
[B]1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)[/B]

[B]Randy Moss:[/B]
[B]Seasons played after turning 30 - 1[/B]
[B]1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)[/B]

So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.[/quote]
Well if you look at the history of WR's in general I bet your wrong. You listed 7 WR's and there are how many that have played the game in that time span? I could go in and pick a ton in that span who's # that dropped off after 30. Its a crap shot and you think he is good for another 4 to 5 years (which I think he is) you just don't know when the body is going to turn on a player. I'm not saying your wrong I just don't think history is on your side in this situation.

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Is this something Zorn wants or is this something that Dan Snyder wants? I wouldn't want this to happen if it was just another Snyder move that Zorn wouldn't approve of. I'm not gonna overreact here but I don't think it's worth potentially giving up two first round picks. If we gave them this year's first and then like a 4th or a 3rd in next year's draft I'd be fine with that. And for the whole Chad is on the wrong side of 30 argument, well, personally I don't like that he's 30, just because if I was giving up two firsts for a player, I'd want a player in his young to late 20's, probably 28 at the oldest because that's simply more years of production out of him if it did work out. Chad may be 30, but he's probably only got like 5-7 good years ahead of him, which I think isn't worthy of giving up two first round picks for.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;441413]Well if you look at the history of WR's in general I bet your wrong. You listed 7 WR's and there are how many that have played the game in that time span? I could go in and pick a ton in that span who's # that dropped off after 30. Its a crap shot and you think he is good for another 4 to 5 years (which I think he is) you just don't know when the body is going to turn on a player. I'm not saying your wrong I just don't think history is on your side in this situation.[/QUOTE]

By the same token, SC could select a ton of WRs selected in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft who will never (have never) achieved the sort of numbers in their entire career that Chad Johnson does in one season. So what's the bigger gamble? That Johnson will crash like Cris Dishman or that we're drafting the next Hart Lee Dykes?

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[quote=firstdown;441413]Well if you look at the history of WR's in general I bet your wrong. You listed 7 WR's and there are how many that have played the game in that time span? I could go in and pick a ton in that span who's # that dropped off after 30. Its a crap shot and you think he is good for another 4 to 5 years (which I think he is) you just don't know when the body is going to turn on a player. I'm not saying your wrong I just don't think history is on your side in this situation.[/quote]

I agree with him. He is not going to do your research for you, you have to prove him wrong. Otherwise your argument holds no water because you listed no specifics. Give examples of Elite recievers who fell off at 30.