Who Gets Cut Before or After June 1/Salary Cap Day?!
 

The draft is over, but the next big date is the beginning of June when teams release players for salary cap relief. Many times after teams draft for depth, they can now "afford" to release certain players that have been a strain on their salary cap.

This is why I believe the Redskins did not address the D-Line, LB, and O-Line positions during the draft like everyone thought they would. I believe that the Skins will target veteran talent to fill need at these critical positions. There should be substantial talent available around this time, and I firmly believe the Redskins braintrust will be active here, just like in the draft.

This may require some research, but here are the questions that I pose to The Warpath:

1) Which players, that will be June cap casualties, do you think the Skins will pick up?

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2) Who do you believe the Redskins will release come June?


Discuss.

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No one. They could have already been released already for the same cap effect.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;445246]No one. They could have already been released already for the same cap effect.[/QUOTE]

Thats not true.

I dont feel like getting into it, but the NFL set a date to give a break to teams taht cut players before a certain date in June.

We took advantage of that when we let Jeremiah Trotter and his huge contract go. Look it up.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;445247]Thats not true.

I dont feel like getting into it, but the NFL set a date to give a break to teams taht cut players before a certain date in June.

We took advantage of that when we let Jeremiah Trotter and his huge contract go. Look it up.[/quote]

GTripp is correct.

Brandon Lloyd was an example, we already released him, allowing him to sign on with the Bears (have fun, Lovie), but he was designated a post-June 1 move, allowing us to spread his dead cap money over two seasons.

Each NFL team can do this with up to two players per season. This is a rule adopted into the most recent version of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

In other words, if any June 1 casualties were going to hit, they've already been released from their teams.

Besides, few teams are in dire need of cap relief. There just aren't June 1 casualties like there used to be.

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We can now trim the WR logjam down by getting rid of Thrash, I would keep Mix since he would be like another draft pick to us since he has not played. We still need to address the Dee, without giving away any of next year's dfrat picks. The draft is the way to build a team.

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[quote=tluc242;445253]We can now trim the WR logjam down by [B]getting rid of Thrash[/B], I would keep Mix since he would be like another draft pick to us since he has not played. We still need to address the Dee, without giving away any of next year's dfrat picks. The draft is the way to build a team.[/quote]

I really hope that won't be the case..

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;445243]This may require some research, but here are the questions that I pose to The Warpath:

1) Which players, that will be June cap casualties, do you think the Skins will pick up?

&

2) Who do you believe the Redskins will release come June?


Discuss.[/QUOTE]

I hate it when people [I]order[/I] me to discuss things. As this is an interesting topic to me, I [I]may[/I] join in the substantive discussion at some point, but I am feeling put off by the requirement that I discuss this topic. Perhaps I will withhold my brilliance just out of spite.

See, you're making me spiteful - now, I am really displeased.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;445249]GTripp is correct.

Brandon Lloyd was an example, we already released him, allowing him to sign on with the Bears (have fun, Lovie), but he was designated a post-June 1 move, allowing us to spread his dead cap money over two seasons.

Each NFL team can do this with up to two players per season. This is a rule adopted into the most recent version of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

In other words, if any June 1 casualties were going to hit, they've already been released from their teams.

Besides, few teams are in dire need of cap relief. There just aren't June 1 casualties like there used to be.[/QUOTE]

Apparently, there is a misunderstanding. We are saying the same things about the June salary cap date, but in a different manner.

The questions and principle still stand. Now that teams have drafted talent, teams will begin to release players up until & after the first week in June, and in the interest of creating more space to sign rookies and UDFA, there will be cuts.

So who do we release(and we WILL release a player or two), and who do we pick up when teams start to trim their rosters according to cap constraints?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;445258]I hate it when people [I]order[/I] me to discuss things. As this is an interesting topic to me, I [I]may[/I] join in the substantive discussion at some point, but I am feeling put off by the requirement that I discuss this topic. Perhaps I will withhold my brilliance just out of spite.

See, you're making me spiteful - now, I am really displeased.[/QUOTE]

U r grown. U dont have to do anything that you do not want to do.

But it would be nice to get your opinion.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;445247]Thats not true.

I dont feel like getting into it, but the NFL set a date to give a break to teams taht cut players before a certain date in June.

We took advantage of that when we let Jeremiah Trotter and his huge contract go. Look it up.[/quote]

91, it's not a good idea to challenge the cap guys when it comes to anything that deals with the salary cap. They're right about 97% of the time.

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If there are any teams that need or want to release players because they feel they acquired a better one in the draft, or they need to get rid of them to create cap space for the rookies, we will see it happen sometime in May, teams don't have to wait until June 1st anymore.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;445258]I hate it when people [I]order[/I] me to discuss things. As this is an interesting topic to me, I [I]may[/I] join in the substantive discussion at some point, but I am feeling put off by the requirement that I discuss this topic. Perhaps I will withhold my brilliance just out of spite.

See, you're making me spiteful - now, I am really displeased.[/quote]

What are you talking about? The OP asked some questions about players who could become available. What's with the "order you to discuss things" and "put off by the requirement that I discuss things" comments? I must be missing something.

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James Thrash should be cut along with Daniels and Todd Wade and ARE

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[quote=artyK75;445406]James Thrash should be cut along with Daniels and Todd Wade and ARE[/quote]

??????? I can see Thrash getting cut because he is old and there is a major logjam at wr, but why would we cut ARE? We have no depth at DE so why would we cut Daniels? Todd Wade has a very reasonable contract for a veteran lineman who can still play so I don't get that one either?

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I hope the Skins keep Thrash, he's a fairly solid player and what I consider to be a team guy and a "True Redskin". Solid, hard playing, and a good guy.

Did anyone notice ESPN's list of team losses and additions? I had to chuckle when Brandon Llyod was listed as a key loss.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;445391]91, it's not a good idea to challenge the cap guys when it comes to anything that deals with the salary cap. They're right about 97% of the time.[/QUOTE]

OK, he can be a cap guy, and I was not challenging him. I was just saying something that everyone already knows. After a certain point, teams will being to release players. How could they not release players when they pick up 7+ players in the draft? These players can be a bargain and be adequate replacements for veterans with hefty contracts.

Except for a few new additions to CBA, there will be a litany of roster moves after the draft, leading up to and after training camp. That is all I am saying.

If no one gets released, then I am in the 97%, but if players do begin to become available after being released, like I know they will, then consider this the 3%.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;445258]I hate it when people [I]order[/I] me to discuss things. As this is an interesting topic to me, I [I]may[/I] join in the substantive discussion at some point, but I am feeling put off by the requirement that I discuss this topic. Perhaps I will withhold my brilliance just out of spite.

See, you're making me spiteful - now, I am really displeased.[/QUOTE]

Great, just great. First I have to explain to everyone when Dirtbag is being sarcastic.

Now I have to do the same for your posts? Sigh...

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Daniels should get cut cuz he has not ever produced a great game for us as a redskin They should pick up Dixon from Hampton im sure he will be able to get more sacks then Daniels had as a redskin. Randle EL has not done anything that special for us his punt returns are horrible he played alot better when he played for the steelers I think all he saw was the money

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I think Todd Wade blows.

We wouldn't just cut ARE, we'd trade him for something.

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Dixon went to the Cowboys, I believe.

And Daniels has been far more valuable to this team than too many people here realize. It's not all about sacks.

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[quote=artyK75;445406]James Thrash should be cut along with Daniels and Todd Wade and [B]ARE[/B][/quote]
Please learn about the salary cap and signing bonuses and release fees before you make these types of commnets. There is no way ARE is released or traded before 2010.

Daniels has years of experience in this defense and with our D-Coordinator. He is solid and we have no one else with his skill-set. It would be insanely stupid to cut or release him.

Wade, possibly but doubtful. He's a versatile veteran that is not a major cap hit. Thrash, probably.

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[quote=artyK75;445434]Daniels should get cut cuz he has not ever produced a great game for us as a redskin [/quote]

He had a four sack game against the Cowboys. He isn't a great player, but he is a very solid player.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;445446]He had a four sack game against the Cowboys. He isn't a great player, but he is a very solid player.[/QUOTE]

Well, those were against Drew Bledsoe, that's not saying much.

Re: Who Gets Cut After June 1/Salary Cap Day?!
 

We need to cut at least one person at receiver. I would wager that Mathis is gone, but I could see two people going. Either Thrash or Mix and both of them are about equal value only because Thrash is old and Mix is very young.

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Too bad this thread aint going well....
I am here because I am curious.

Who do you think COULD be cut that would benefit the REDSKINS now that the draft is done? or do we have to get lucky in mid preseason?

Re: Who Gets Cut After June 1/Salary Cap Day?!
 

I feel we should cut Todd Wade. I do not feel we have a sufficient defensive backfield and would love to cut two or three from there but we dont have the depth. Maybe next year...

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There is no way we are going to cut anyone come june 1. On that day we will have 9.8 mil in salary cap space...that's as soon as Lloyd is designated a june 1st cut. I wish there were some way we could reverse that decision and not have him be a june 1st cut, but i dont think there is, we would still be 4.5 mil under the cap if he was a normal cut. I think we were thinking we were going to make a big move when that happened, but obviously that didnt work out. The only thing we could still do is make a big signing when someone else is designated a june 1st cut, but i find that unlikely to happen because I dont think there will be anyone cut that we want to sign. We shot ourselves in the foot by designating Lloyd a June 1st cut, that's 5.3 mil we dont have on next years salary cap that we could have paid this year.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;445489]There is no way we are going to cut anyone come june 1. On that day we will have 9.8 mil in salary cap space...that's as soon as Lloyd is designated a june 1st cut. I wish there were some way we could reverse that decision and not have him be a june 1st cut, but i dont think there is, we would still be 4.5 mil under the cap if he was a normal cut. I think we were thinking we were going to make a big move when that happened, but obviously that didnt work out. The only thing we could still do is make a big signing when someone else is designated a june 1st cut, but i find that unlikely to happen because I dont think there will be anyone cut that we want to sign. We shot ourselves in the foot by designating Lloyd a June 1st cut, that's 5.3 mil we dont have on next years salary cap that we could have paid this year.[/quote]

There are plenty of ways to get that money back if we need to. Fro example, the Redskins had some left over money last year so they wrote some language concerning incentive based pay into Godfrey's contract that there was no way he could get. Because he didn't hit his marks and get the money, the money got shifted towards this years cap (as extra money we get to spend). I think Schneed talked about this in his salary cap update thread (but I'm to lazy to look it up for you right now).

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[quote=wilsowilso;445446]He had a four sack game against the Cowboys. He isn't a great player, but he is a very solid player.[/quote]He was productive up until last season. I think his future on this team is inside with Golston, Montgomery, and Griffin.

I feel he's going to retire at seasons end, but as the 3rd DT and DE, he can still help this team.

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FYI, Dominic Rhodes was released by the Raiders after the drafting of Darren McFadden.
[B]
He shoots! He scores!!![/B]

Let the dominoes fall!!!

In the Skins' favor, of course :)

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;445528]FYI, Dominic Rhodes was released by the Raiders after the drafting of Darren McFadden.
[B]
He shoots! He scores!!![/B]

Let the dominoes fall!!!

In the Skins' favor, of course :)[/QUOTE]

So, you want us to sign Dominic Rhodes?

Re: Who Gets Cut After June 1/Salary Cap Day?!
 

Broncos cut a bunch of people today.

Reggie Hayward may also be a cap casualty (Jaguars)

I don't know if they classify really as cap casualties, or just roster casualties

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[quote=SmootSmack;445438]Dixon went to the Cowboys, I believe.

And Daniels has been far more valuable to this team than too many people here realize. It's not all about sacks.[/quote]
He does good in stopping the run. And he bats down alot of balls at the line scrimmage. He's serviceable and solid, but not great. I like to see him stay for depth.

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Daniels is all we got, we can't start wilson on opeining day, and we sure can't start the 7th rounder. Unless we trade for someone, or some miracle happens like Jason Taylor getting cut, I can't see anyone else starting at DE other than Carter and Daniels

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;445530]So, you want us to sign Dominic Rhodes?[/QUOTE]

No, but I was slightly gloating. Rubbing it in that the day I create a thread to predict cuts and roster moves, it happens very evening.

Rhodes is good, but we are cool without him. Plus, he smokes herb and gets caught. Either way, thats not a good look.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;445428]Great, just great. First I have to explain to everyone when Dirtbag is being sarcastic.

Now I have to do the same for your posts? Sigh...[/QUOTE]

Sorry, oh great long suffering one. Your job is hard enough. I'll stop with the sarcasm and just go back to being simply brilliant - oops, there I go again.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;445489]There is no way we are going to cut anyone come june 1. On that day we will have 9.8 mil in salary cap space...that's as soon as Lloyd is designated a june 1st cut. [B]I wish there were some way we could reverse that decision and not have him be a june 1st cut, but i dont think there is, we would still be 4.5 mil under the cap if he was a normal cut.[/B] ... We shot ourselves in the foot by designating Lloyd a June 1st cut, that's 5.3 mil we dont have on next years salary cap that we could have paid this year.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering the same thing. Schneed, Crazy is it possible to simply absorb the hit fully now? It seems to me that, since the savings wouldn't go into effect until June 1st [I]and[/I] since Lloyd is actually off the roster, we should be able to simply notify the league that we will take the full hit now. I could see the league saying "no" if it were after the 1st as the bookkeeping would have already been in effect. But in this case, by redesignating it as a pre-June 1 cut, the benefit to both the team and player is unchanged.

Also, even if we were able to do so, would we still have enough cap room for the rookies?

Anybody know what type of deals the picks in the Skins slots got last year?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;445391]91, it's not a good idea to challenge the cap guys when it comes to anything that deals with the salary cap. They're right about 97% of the time.[/quote]

I was about the type the same thing, except substitute 99.9% in for 97%, but I think what he was saying is that given our draft, we now have some players that were vital before that now are expendable- frost for instance (once the kid dominates him...), likely a WR as well...

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;445545]No, but I was slightly gloating. Rubbing it in that the day I create a thread to predict cuts and roster moves, it happens very evening.

Rhodes is good, but we are cool without him. Plus, he smokes herb and gets caught. Either way, thats not a good look.[/quote]

Well I think there has been further misunderstanding. Sure players will be cut after the draft. And still more leading up to June 1. But any players of consequence? Anybody that could do anything more for us than add a training camp body?

I assumed that if you started a thread about it, you'd want to know if we could acquire anybody to help us. I'd say no.

When GTripp and I said nobody gets cut, we meant the figurative nobody. Nobody gets cut from teams around this time of year anymore, unless they're a nobody.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;445564]I was wondering the same thing. Schneed, Crazy is it possible to simply absorb the hit fully now? It seems to me that, since the savings wouldn't go into effect until June 1st [I]and[/I] since Lloyd is actually off the roster, we should be able to simply notify the league that we will take the full hit now. I could see the league saying "no" if it were after the 1st as the bookkeeping would have already been in effect. But in this case, by redesignating it as a pre-June 1 cut, the benefit to both the team and player is unchanged.

Also, even if we were able to do so, would we still have enough cap room for the rookies?

Anybody know what type of deals the picks in the Skins slots got last year?[/quote]

No you can't go back on it. Once you call him a post June 1 cut, you're committed to it.

But never fear, I do think the Skins will still make good use of that cap space. First, the Post recently ran a blurb saying they further guaranteed the 2008 and 2009 base salaries for Clinton Portis, which will have some sort of impact on the cap. Aside from that, I'd bet a lot of money that the Skins will extend a young player or two now this season in order to make use of that excess space, thereby allocating some of that money this year.

2nd round picks typically make about 1.5 million per season. Ballpark.