Walsh to hand over tapes
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162]ESPN - Ex-Pats employee Walsh sends NFL video of Pats' taping - NFL[/url]

Just when you thought spygate was over!! This makes me the biggest sceptic of the "dynasty" that is the Patriots. For 8 years we have wondered how they do it. Chalked it up under heart and deemed Brady as a future HOFer. The Pats are frauds through and through and even though he doesnt have it, there was a tape of the Rams walkthrough. There had to have been, and why not? If they had been doing it since day one like Billicheck said, then they did have one. I hereby denounce the Patriots and will submit for your approval that in 2008 they will not be as good as before because it will be Brady's first year of not knowing the Defensive signals beforehand. Not only that, but there will be defensive earsets. If the Pats win 3 super bowls in the next four years, I will see them as a dynasty. So far, in my book, any superbowl between 2000-2008 does not count and I will refuse to see them as a dynasty.

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I don't think anyone really believed the only time they cheated was when they got caught. This just proves what basically everyone knew anyway. Cheating/stealing etc is rarely an isolated incident.

That said, the whole spygate thing came about after week 1 last year. So for 15 regular season games the whole league knew they had cheated, and the Pats still steamrolled to 18 straight wins. I'm not making excuses, just saying that spygate or not, that offense is unreal.

And yes, in light of all the illegal taping/sign stealing, their "dynasty" is definitely tainted.

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Out of the videos that Walsh sent to the league the one that I think will have the most scrutiny is the video taping of the AFC Championship game in 2002 between the Pats and Steelers. I have to believe that The Rog will punish them further for the 6 videos that Walsh just gave to them, and if more information comes from Walsh in those meetings between him and Specter/The Rog, then we could be seeing another big punishment in the making.

And yes, I do feel that this taints the "dynasty" in my book, but I already was of that opinion when the news first broke.

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[QUOTE=mooby;447368]Out of the videos that Walsh sent to the league the one that I think will have the most scrutiny is the video taping of the AFC Championship game in 2002 between the Pats and Steelers. I have to believe that The Rog will punish them further for the 6 videos that Walsh just gave to them, and if more information comes from Walsh in those meetings between him and Specter/The Rog, then we could be seeing another big punishment in the making.

And yes, I do feel that this taints the "dynasty" in my book, but I already was of that opinion when the news first broke.[/QUOTE]


Same here but here is the kicker. ESPN reported last night that even though there is more proof, Billicheck already admitted to taping and was therefore previously punished. Have the Patriots and their head coach whose name I cannot spell been punished enough or should this warrent more punishment?

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;447398]Same here but here is the kicker. ESPN reported last night that even though there is more proof, Billicheck already admitted to taping and was therefore previously punished. Have the Patriots and their head coach whose name I cannot spell been punished enough or should this warrent more punishment?[/QUOTE]

I think it depends on what BB revealed to the Commish. If BB said he only taped opponents once or twice, then he [I]might[/I] be in trouble. I say might because I know of no proof that BB directed Walsh to make these newly revealed tapes.

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if all this shit is true,should'nt belichick be suspended at least 1 season?they throw the book at players it's on fair they do the same to the coaches is'nt it????

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Can they just end this crap already? I'm really tired of this.

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you beat me to it. there isn't going to be any more punishment handed out, so just let it go. enough is enough

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;447403]I think it depends on what BB revealed to the Commish. If BB said he only taped opponents once or twice, then he [I]might[/I] be in trouble. I say might because I know of no proof that BB directed Walsh to make these newly revealed tapes.[/quote]


I think that this could end up being the big hammer issue. We've all probably been told since we were children, if you did something wrong, tell the truth or the punishment will be much worse. Kinda like the Vick issue. If BB had said they only did one or two games and lied about it, I think the comish will come down extremely hard on not only him, but the entire team.
If I was in his shoes, I would have contacted Walsh right after the first incedent and paid a very, very heafty price for those tapes. And, even if BB didn't order the tapes to be made, wouldn't he still be guilty by association? Just like in the regular world, if you jack up some customer/associate the boss of the company is going to catch some hell too. I just don't know if it will be BB, or some other high officail in the Pats FO.

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[quote=Mattyk72;447406]Can they just end this crap already? I'm really tired of this.[/quote]

I'm in the opposite camp. I'm really curious to see how extensive this practice was and how much it really helped them? I like the fact that this Walsh character can keep the original tapes and only had to send the league copies so Goodell can't continue that garbage of destroying the evidence which I found to be really weird in the first place. I want to hear what Walsh tells the senator because Roger Goodell and the Patriots don't want us to know the whole story and I think we might finally have a chance to get more info.

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I don't think some of you guys would be so quick to brush this off if it was a different team. Lets say the Cowboys for instance, or anyone in our division.

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Holy smokes !!!!

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They got CAUGHT and im happy about that.I really like it.

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McNamee and Walsh should hang out.

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I just got one thing to say about this:
It's about damn time!!!!

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;447363][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162]ESPN - Ex-Pats employee Walsh sends NFL video of Pats' taping - NFL[/url]

Just when you thought spygate was over!! This makes me the biggest sceptic of the "dynasty" that is the Patriots. For 8 years we have wondered how they do it. Chalked it up under heart and deemed Brady as a future HOFer. The Pats are frauds through and through and even though he doesnt have it, there was a tape of the Rams walkthrough. There had to have been, and why not? If they had been doing it since day one like Billicheck said, then they did have one. I hereby denounce the Patriots and will submit for your approval that in 2008 they will not be as good as before because it will be Brady's first year of not knowing the Defensive signals beforehand. Not only that, but there will be defensive earsets. If the Pats win 3 super bowls in the next four years, I will see them as a dynasty. So far, in my book, any superbowl between 2000-2008 does not count and I will refuse to see them as a dynasty.[/QUOTE]

Did you guys see the Bill Belichick south park episode?

"before the last super bowl, Bill Belichick got his players together and said, just this once, let's not cheat. Do you know what happened? THEY LOST!"

haha...classic.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=fish_mike&id=3387401]ESPN - One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals - NFL[/url]

[B]One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals[/B]

From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.

Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.

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[quote=jsarno;447528]Did you guys see the Bill Belichick south park episode?

"before the last super bowl, Bill Belichick got his players together and said, just this once, let's not cheat. Do you know what happened? THEY LOST!"

haha...classic.[/quote]


"If you cheat and you get caught then you were being savyyyyyyyy."

How can I reeeeach these kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiids ?

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[quote=Tha Posse;447474]I don't think some of you guys would be so quick to brush this off if it was a different team. Lets say the Cowboys for instance, or anyone in our division.[/quote]

I could care less. In the end this crap did not have an outcome of any games. It's time to move on.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;447398]Same here but here is the kicker. ESPN reported last night that even though there is more proof, Billicheck already admitted to taping and was therefore previously punished. Have the Patriots and their head coach whose name I cannot spell been punished enough or should this warrent more punishment?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Punished enough? In my opinion that team should have been suspended from playing last year and had no right to be playing at all, or make it all the way to the Superbowl for that matter. I'm just VERY happy they lost, because they didn’t deserve to win. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447591]I could care less. In the end this crap did not have an outcome of any games. It's time to move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=fish_mike&id=3387401]ESPN - One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals - NFL[/url]

[B]One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals[/B]

From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.

Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.[/QUOTE]

According to a source, there were many more tapings (click link to read about the source). How do we know this did not affect the outcome of any of our games? If they have the audacity to tape 8 games why wouldnt they tape other games, including ones against us?

[QUOTE=hesscl34;447595][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Punished enough? In my opinion that team should have been suspended from playing last year and had no right to be playing at all, or make it all the way to the Superbowl for that matter. I'm just VERY happy they lost, because they didn’t deserve to win. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

IMO they were nowhere near punished enough. They lost a draft pick. woo hoo.... they still had one in the top 10 from SF. And all that money???!!! in this league that is chump change. I hope more punishment comes from all of this.

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The question I have with all the film out or avalable if teams really want to try and steel another teams signals can't they just study other films? With that said if you look back at the way they they took our D apart it looked like they knew where to attack the D on almost every play.