Which rookie will have the most impact in 2008?
 

Man things are slow right now... anyway here's a new poll to discuss.

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Brooks. I expect him to get the starting job and unlike other positions like OL or WR there is only one punter. Plus I think it will take a few games for the offense to get in sync so we'll be punting a lot and field position is going to be key. Especially if our defense has to be on the field a lot due to the probable early struggles of the offense.

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Malcolm Kelly will be an immediate red zone threat and score some TD's. Has good hands and would seemingly work well as the X in three receiver sets. He'll hopefully make some big plays catching a few touchdowns and hauling in first downs, if not stretching the field. Devin Thomas has more physical upside, but my feeling (and that's all it is since I've not watched either play much at all) is that he's more raw than Kelly (two years of DI football, only one as a starter v. 3 years of top DI experience) and will take a little longer to develop. With his athleticism he might also work well as a Z eventually taking over for Santana - though I'm basing some of this off the Gibbs/Saunders/Coryell offense since I am not all that familiar with the Zorn/Holmgren/Walsh tree.

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The punter. He's going to follow a Shane Lechler career path.

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[quote=Schneed10;448096]The punter. He's going to follow a Shane Lechler career path.[/quote]I could really buy this. I mean, a lot of players that have great college legs seem to lose them when they get to the NFL, but the Redskins have been very unwilling to spend a pick on a special teamer--it looks like they really honed in on this ONE guy.

I think the team feels like they've just drafted the best punter in the NFL. It's what the Chiefs felt like when they drafted Colquitt a few years back, but the Skins didn't burn a first round pick.

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I feel like we drafted guys to play in 2009 and beyond. Barring injury to one of our current starters, I don't see any of the rooks making a huge impact in 2008. Brooks could make an immediate impact, but I'm not sure that he'll even be on our roster.

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I'm going to go out on a little limb and say Fred Davis. With the WC offense installed, i think he could have a decent year. I'm not talking 10 TD's or anything but a decent year. He was the best TE in college last year and he's teamed up w/ good talent on O, including Cooley. CC is going to get the attention, especially in the red zone. We all know JC seems more comfortable throwing to TE's too. Since I'm bored too, i'll say 5 TD's, 500 yards. I'd say Thomas would be a close 2nd.

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I went w/Brooks, he can beat out frost if he doesn't crack in the preseason games.

The only thing I worry about w/him is his ability to drop em inside the 20. Frost got to be pretty decent at placing punts.

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[quote=freddyg12;448104]I went w/Brooks, he can beat out frost if he doesn't crack in the preseason games.

The only thing I worry about w/him is his ability to drop em inside the 20. Frost got to be pretty decent at placing punts.[/quote]

He was pretty good and killing them inside the 20 at Georgia Tech, we'll see how that translates: "Durant's gross average of 45.1 yards per punt was fifth best in the Football Bowl Subdivision, but his 33 inside the 20 (more than half of his 65 attempts) and 21 fair catches were considerably more than the other punters ranked ahead of him."

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I went with Brooks too.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;448099]I could really buy this. I mean, a lot of players that have great college legs seem to lose them when they get to the NFL, but the Redskins have been very unwilling to spend a pick on a special teamer--it looks like they really honed in on this ONE guy.

I think the team feels like they've just drafted the best punter in the NFL. It's what the Chiefs felt like when they drafted Colquitt a few years back, but the Skins didn't burn a first round pick.[/QUOTE]My dad used to work with a guy who was the punter for Purdue when Brees was there. He tried out for a bunch of NFL team but never made it. I asked him if the fact that the ball is a slightly different shape made a difference and thought that it did. Obviously some people are better at making that adjustment than others.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;448102]I'm going to go out on a little limb and say Fred Davis. With the WC offense installed, i think he could have a decent year. I'm not talking 10 TD's or anything but a decent year. He was the best TE in college last year and he's teamed up w/ good talent on O, including Cooley. CC is going to get the attention, especially in the red zone. We all know JC seems more comfortable throwing to TE's too. Since I'm bored too, i'll say 5 TD's, 500 yards. I'd say Thomas would be a close 2nd.[/QUOTE]

5 TDs and 500 yards is an awful lot of production for a #2 TE. Supposing Campbell throws for 3,300 yards and 20 TDs (a good year), Moss should [I]at least[/I] put up 900 yards, ARE should [I]at least[/I] get another 400, Cooley another 700, and Portis (who Zorn wants to get even more involved in the passing game) another 400. That leaves us with 900 yards between Thomas, Kelly and Davis. I'd be surprised if Davis had more than 250 yards and 3 TDs.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;448105]He was pretty good and killing them inside the 20 at Georgia Tech, we'll see how that translates: "Durant's gross average of 45.1 yards per punt was fifth best in the Football Bowl Subdivision, but his 33 inside the 20 (more than half of his 65 attempts) and 21 fair catches were considerably more than the other punters ranked ahead of him."[/quote]

nice post, hope he can continue those no.s here.

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[quote=redsk1;448102]I'm going to go out on a little limb and say Fred Davis. With the WC offense installed, i think he could have a decent year. I'm not talking 10 TD's or anything but a decent year. He was the best TE in college last year and he's teamed up w/ good talent on O, including Cooley. CC is going to get the attention, especially in the red zone. We all know JC seems more comfortable throwing to TE's too. Since I'm bored too, i'll say 5 TD's, 500 yards. I'd say Thomas would be a close 2nd.[/quote]

that is out on a limb, but I feel ya, the dude is talented & could probably start if it weren't for CC. I don't know that he'll have those kind of #s, but I would love it if he made an immediate impact blocking. Cooley isn't a great blocker. He's worked on it over the years & has said as much. maybe davis could at least drive him to improve his blocking. Davis didn't do a lot of blocking at usc, but hopefully he'll develop in that role here. It might be his best chance at playing time.

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I went with Kelly.. While I think Thomas will get more playing time and may have a higher spot on the depth chart, Kelly has a ton of red zone potential for this season. Campbell has had only two red zone reads so far in his career. Either it goes to Cooley or Sellers. Not anymore. With Kelly he can throw the fade, the jump ball and the slant because of the big body who can make the plays that Moss and ARE can't.

Brooks is a close second, I expect him to beat out Frost in camp (thankfully!) and have a solid season.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;448108]5 TDs and 500 yards is an awful lot of production for a #2 TE. Supposing Campbell throws for 3,300 yards and 20 TDs (a good year), Moss should [I]at least[/I] put up 900 yards, ARE should [I]at least[/I] get another 400, Cooley another 700, and Portis (who Zorn wants to get even more involved in the passing game) another 400. That leaves us with 900 yards between Thomas, Kelly and Davis. I'd be surprised if Davis had more than 250 yards and 3 TDs.[/quote]

Yea, i was going to go w/ 350-450, 3-5 TD's but hey i just think w/ Cooley, Moss, Thomas/Kelly, he might see some open areas of the field. He's a talented guy. But i see where you are coming from. We can only hope.

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I say Durant Brooks by a hair over Devin Thomas. The guy is a 50+ yard punting machine, and with Pacman Jones and Desean Jackson new additions to division rivals and both very explosive punt returners, we need consistency in the punting game. Forgive the pun, but Frost is too hot and, ahem, cold.

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Went with Thomas, for obvious reasons. I think he will see more playing time than anyone else so just by default he should do better. The thread was which rookie will have the biggest impact. Brooks may win out, but im not sure how much of an impact a punter can truley have. He had better be damn good to beat out a WR.

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It is tough between the first four. Brooks has the best shot at winning a job outright but both of the WRs could be big factors if they gel quickly. On top of that Rinehart could conceivably win a starting job outright and be a big contributor. We've got numerous draftees with the talent to contribute. I know we shorted our dline a bit but I am more stoked about our draft every day.

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I think that we have drafted a few players that could end up starting and having an impact for us this year. I definitely think Durant Brooks will be our starting punter, I feel that Kareem Moore/Chris Horton have a decent shot at supplanting Doughty at SS, Thomas/Kelly could really push ARE for the #2 WR spot, and Rinehart could push Kendall at LG. With that being said-- most of these transitions will probably take place in 2009.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;448128]I think that we have drafted a few players that could end up starting and having an impact for us this year. I definitely think Durant Brooks will be our starting punter, I feel that Kareem Moore/Chris Horton have a decent shot at supplanting Doughty at SS, Thomas/Kelly could really push ARE for the #2 WR spot, and Rinehart could push Kendall at LG. With that being said-- most of these transitions will probably take place in 2009.[/QUOTE]

I will be shocked actually if one of the WRs isn't our #2. ARE operates so well from the slot and I think if we can get one of those WRs clicking then a better set up has them at #2. I bet we also see a little bit of Moss sitting to keep him more healthy so maybe we'll get Thomas running #1 at times with kelly at 2 and ARE at slot.

I am simply guessing that ARE is going to end up entrenched at slot but he fits it so well. He made a lot of plays for Pittsburg there and I think a return to that spot will bring his production up. Especially in terms of TDs. He's got the athletic ability to score from the 15 out of the slot consititently.

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I'll be pretty surprised if Frost beats out Brooks, so from that perspective I think Brooks could have the biggest impact since he could be the only full-time player out of the bunch. I also think that Kelly could have an immediate impact.

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I went with Durant brooks but if Fred Davis was on the poll I would have gone with him. Reason being I think it would be pretty tough for defenses to cover him and Cooley at the same time along with our WR's

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Im surprised Fred Davis isnt on this list, but i still voted for thomas

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I know that watching college highlights can be really deceiving, but Kelly looked like he was a major mismatch problem and I'm talking about against the big boy programs. He also has those crazy good hands so I'm going with our third pick in the second round. I sure hope he proves that his game isn't about straight line speed because if it isn't then I think he might be a major steal.

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REDSK1:
I totally agree with u on Fred Davis cuz that is who I voted on cuz in this new offense installed he is gonna be a dangerous weapon for our team I watched him play at usc and he is a banger he had quite a bit of TD's at USC

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For me it's a toss up between Brooks and Rhinehart. Right now I think that ARE and Moss will both have great years, in part because this seems to happen a lot when teams draft future replacements.

Actually now that I think about it, it'll probably be Brooks. If anything the easiest transition from the college to pro's is Punter, even more so then Running Back. In fact it might even be slightly easier in terms of transition since you're doing exactly what you did in college except this time with better protection. That is unless more kicks get blocked in the pro's, but in my opinion it seems to happen a lot more often on the college level.

With college kickers you always have to wonder how they'll adjust without a kicking block. Of course the angles are a lot easier but that kicking without that block on field goals is a huge transition for some kickers.

The downside to being a punter in the NFL of course is the fact that theres only 32 spots available. Maybe slightly more if a team decides to add you as a kickoff specilist, but that doesn't really seem to be the norm.

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Damn yo I went in here thinking I would be original voting for Brooks lolol, it turns out he's quite the popular choice. Either way I do think he's going to have a big impact, look at how Sepulvida (sp?) played last year for the Steelers, the kid was dy-na-mite.

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This is easy.
Brooks is the only possible starter.
Even though he's a punter....he'll control field position more consistantly than the rest.
Which is very important if we think our "D" might lose a step.

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I went Brooks. He's more or less guaranteed playing time and the kid is a stud. I loved him as a late round pick.

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Brooks can help the field position problem Frost has caused us

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I voted Thomas. Not only do I hope he is the most productive but he should be. You would hope our top pick is the most productive, but it doesen't always work that way.

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[quote=skinsnut;448209]This is easy.
[B] Brooks is the only possible starter.[/B]
Even though he's a punter....he'll control field position more consistantly than the rest.
Which is very important if we think our "D" might lose a step.[/quote]

I disagree. I think Devin Thomas will be the #2 WR, and thus a starter. Zorn has already expressed his intent to make Randle El the slot receiver. I don't think Anthony Mix, James Thrash, or even Malcolm Kelly for that matter will beat out Devin for the flanker spot.

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I voted Brooks b/c everyone else is up in the air right now. No one can be 100% who will be where. Brooks has the edge on Frosty and when it comes to nailbiters late in the fourth, we are going to be glad we picked him up.

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[quote=GMScud;448267]I disagree. I think Devin Thomas will be the #2 WR, and thus a starter. Zorn has already expressed his intent to make Randle El the slot receiver. I don't think Anthony Mix, James Thrash, or even Malcolm Kelly for that matter will beat out Devin for the flanker spot.[/quote]

I agree. Its a lock that, ready or not, one of the receivers that we picked in the 2nd is going to be out on the field with Moss. ARE is going to the slot or worse, if height is a major factor in the plans of this new offense.

There is zero chance that the team is going to stress the importance of tall receivers in this new offense and start the incumbent WR's who aren't taller than 5'10''. Also this offense is new to all the Skins WR's so Moss and ARE are going to start on the same page of the playbook that the rookies will.

Prepared or not, Thomas or Kelly is the number two WR going into the season without question.


So my choice is Thomas because ultimately the Skins choose him first so they must of thought he was a better fit as receiver.

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[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;448281]I agree. Its a lock that, ready or not, one of the receivers that we picked in the 2nd is going to be out on the field with Moss. ARE is going to the slot or worse, if height is a major factor in the plans of this new offense.

There is zero chance that the team is going to stress the importance of tall receivers in this new offense and start the incumbent WR's who aren't taller than 5'10''. Also this offense is new to all the Skins WR's so Moss and ARE are going to start on the same page of the playbook that the rookies will.

Prepared or not, Thomas or Kelly is the number two WR going into the season without question.


So my choice is Thomas because ultimately the Skins choose him first so they must of thought he was a better fit as receiver.[/QUOTE]


without a question in my mind will ARE be a slot reciever. Thats what he is. To think he was ever or ever will be a legitamate #2 reciever is just dumb. One of the taller guys (Kelly or Thomas) will be #2 for sure as of now, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Moss line up @ #2 and thomas or kelly at #1.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;448288]without a question in my mind will ARE be a slot reciever. Thats what he is. To think he was ever or ever will be a legitamate #2 reciever is just dumb. One of the taller guys (Kelly or Thomas) will be #2 for sure as of now, but [B]I wouldnt be surprised to see Moss line up @ #2 and thomas or kelly at #1.[/B][/quote]

Well, the slot WR is pretty much self explanatory, but "#1" and "#2" basically just describe who is more of the go to guy. Technically it's the flanker and the split end. The flanker is usually the larger WR, and is also referred to as the "Z." He lines up behind the line of scrimmage to avoid getting jammed. The split end, or "X" lines up on the line of scrimmage.

I could see Thomas and Moss rotating the flanker/split end duties. Sometimes it benefits Moss to line up behind the line of scrimmage so he can have a few extra steps to juke the corner. He's so small it's tough for him to out-physical larger CBs.

The funny thing is, until someone proves otherwise, Chris Cooley is our #1 pass catcher. His durability and consistency are awesome.

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thomas has the most potential, brooks is the most likely...

davis is probably the safest pick, but as a #2 TE, i don't think he'll see tons of action unless cooley gets hurt.

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Guys...regarding my "punter is the only starter" comment...I really doubt a rookie starts the season as a WR.
It is Moss and ARE to start....with the rookies appearing in 3 Wide Receiver sets only.
They just wont have the proper experience in taking on NFL CB's one on one.
Maybe by mid-season they will shift one of the guys to start....but that is very soon to psychologically bench ARE.
Don't underestimate his ability....he is pretty good and it is doubtful he will easily be replaced by a rookie.

I do agree that next year one of the rookies may become the #1 or #2 WR.
But the play of a #3 receiver, though they may get 400 yards a few TD's, isn't as big as a improvement as a potentially great punter over a poor one.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;448294]Well, the slot WR is pretty much self explanatory, but "#1" and "#2" basically just describe who is more of the go to guy. Technically it's the flanker and the split end. The flanker is usually the larger WR, and is also referred to as the "Z." He lines up behind the line of scrimmage to avoid getting jammed. The split end, or "X" lines up on the line of scrimmage.

I could see Thomas and Moss rotating the flanker/split end duties. Sometimes it benefits Moss to line up behind the line of scrimmage so he can have a few extra steps to juke the corner. He's so small it's tough for him to out-physical larger CBs.

The funny thing is, until someone proves otherwise, Chris Cooley is our #1 pass catcher. His durability and consistency are awesome.[/QUOTE]

Tell any other team that their #1 reciever is a TE... lol. For all you who think Cooley is overrated, put that in your pipe and smoke it!