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Bengals just cut the LB. I feel we're a bit thin at LB, Id be willing to take a chance on this kid.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3402967]ESPN - Less than month after reinstatement, Bengals part ways with Thurman - NFL[/url]

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[B]When he could stay on the field[/B] Odell Thurman was very good. However, the off the field issues are enough to make me shy away from him. I feel like he deserves another shot, but with a rookie head coach and IMO a lot of uncertainty on this team adding a potential headache is not the way to go.

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[QUOTE]"The NFL provided Odell the opportunity to earn his way back onto our team, but we have not seen the right steps taken by him,"[/QUOTE]
If the Bengals won't take him back, I don't want him on my team.

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Daseal, you slay me! That is halarious.

Surely, you're not even remotely serious about picking up this sh*thead, are you? Not even for the minimum. No way. This guy is a repeated douche and was let go by the frickin' Bengals, who collect douchbags. Hello!?

And don't believe the hype that he was let go because he wanted to go to his G'ma's funeral. No one fires someone because they went to the funeral. You know damn well that he pissed the Bengals off some other way that may or may not have been related.

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[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;449043]
And don't believe the hype that he was let go because he wanted to go to his G'ma's funeral. [B] No one fires someone because they went to the funeral.[/B] You know damn well that he pissed the Bengals off some other way that may or may not have been related.[/QUOTE]

Troy Williamson lost a game check and is no longer a member of the Minnesota Vikings for pretty much that reason

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[QUOTE=jdlea;449045]Troy Williamson lost a game check and is no longer a member of the Minnesota Vikings for pretty much that reason[/QUOTE]

I'm 100% sure there were either extenuating circumstances or they were just looking for the final straw to a laundry list of problems. Either way, going to a funeral as a standalone event will NEVER get you fired. Now if you notify your boss (GM/Coach) and get authorization to go (Odell did this and received authorization) then it shouldn't be a problem. If you are told to be back afterwards and you tell the team to F*ck off, then you can get fired. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but Odell was told to return after the funeral and then he decided on his own to take a few more days. If this is a standout character guy like .... (I'm having trouble with an example using NFL players... sorry) - then they're probably just given a warning. When you're on your last chance already, it doesn't take much.

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Seems like the Bengals are finally cutting loose some of their trash with Henry and now Thurman. There's no way I'd think twice about picking up this guy.

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He was suspended for substance abuse violations, which in my mind makes him different from the TO/Ocho types who are bad locker room guys. IF he can stay clean, he's a talented player (or at least was a talented player). Maybe he's gotten fat too & that added to their decision.

As for the funeral leave, I can see how such a situation could get touchy from either side. Keep in mind that w/his past it might've been perfect timing for Lewis et al to cut him loose & send a message to the rest of the team before camp even starts.

I say look into signing him, if he's a decent guy w/a drug problem then evaluate whether he seems ready to stay straight. I wouldn't mind seeing him in b&g as a backup to London.

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I know he missed a drug test causing an automatic 4 games suspension, then he got in a fight -- what else has he done?

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[QUOTE=Daseal;449056]I know he missed a drug test causing an automatic 4 games suspension, then he got in a fight -- what else has he done?[/QUOTE]

From Wikipedia, which everyone knows is 100% accurate:

Odell Thurman was suspended by the National Football League for the first four games of the 2006 regular season for violating the league's substance abuse policy. According to sources, Thurman either tested positive for the drug test or failed to take the test. [2], [3]

Gerard said there were two other Bengals players in the car with Thurman, but he did not name them. The car belonged to "another Bengal," not Thurman, Gerard said. [4]

On September 27, 2006, the NFL extended Thurman's suspension for the remainder of the season as a result of the arrest. [5] Thurman's locker was emptied by the Bengals organization. Coach Marvin Lewis said he didn't want to see Odell Thurman anywhere near the stadium, and he then deactivated Chris Henry for the next game for being part of the incident. Lewis has since stated that he doesn't expect Thurman to play for the Bengals in 2007.[citation needed]

On February 21, 2007, Thurman pleaded no contest to the driving drunk charge and said he was undergoing treatment for alcohol abuse.[6]

On May 15th, 2007, Bengals' head coach Marvin Lewis told ESPN that Thurman would have the chance to return to the team, if reinstated by the NFL. Thurman will be eligible for reinstatement on July 11, 2007. It was suspected that the organization would cut Thurman from the roster, but Lewis said otherwise. [7]

On June 5th, however, ESPN reported that he was allegedly wanted for assault in Georgia along with kicking and hitting two men. As it turns out, Thurman and his brother were sought for questioning in connection with said assault. The sherriff involved in the case said that the incident was not quickly reported and that a magistrate would choose whether or not to continue with the charges on June 8th 2007. Conflicting reports from witnesses at the party where the assault allegedly occurred however may make prosecution of this case difficult. [8]

On June 8th, 2007, papers seeking to dismiss the charges stated above were filed, and charges against the linebacker were summarily dropped. Chrissy Pitts, deputy clerk of Magistrate Court in Jasper County, said "It was settled, we aren’t aware of any terms that were involved in the settlement. That was between the attorneys and the parties.” [9]

On July 1st, 2007, Thurman was arrested for cocaine possesion charges while busted for having intercourse will a llama, which is currently illegal in the state of Ohio, but not its neighbor state West Virginia.

(OK, I added that last one to see if you were actually reading this...) ADE

On July 25th, 2007, Thurman's request for re-instatement into the NFL was denied by commissioner Roger Goodell, meaning that he will not be able to play in 2007[10]. Thurman is not currently listed on the Bengals' active roster, and another Bengals player, fellow linebacker Corey Mays, currently wears his number.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3402967]ESPN - Thurman's rep: Release by Bengals came after dispute over family issue - NFL[/url]

this is a pretty good recap

The guy's still young & has his best years ahead. He could be signed pretty cheaply. I say we give him a shot before the cowpokes do.

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I think we are way too thin at linebacker. I don't know if this guy is the answer, but we need to do something pretty soon.

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The dude has been out of football for two years. This isn't the type of sport where you can be away from it for two years, then all of a sudden come back and play at the same level you were when you left. Plus all the baggage. Let Dallas or Oakland pick him up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;449066]The dude has been out of football for two years. This isn't the type of sport where you can be away from it for two years, then all of a sudden come back and play at the same level you were when you left. Plus all the baggage. Let Dallas or Oakland pick him up.[/quote]

At his age if he's kept his weight in check & lifted to keep his muscle tone & overall strength close to what it was before, then he can get back into it w/some time IMO. He's not going to be an all pro in week 1, but if the skins sign him he's not going to start anyway.

I think the only way they'd sign him is if the staff feels he or Blades is a good fit at olb. Fletcher is the starter at MLB, Blades I presume the 2nd stringer at this point.

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[quote=freddyg12;449068]At his age if he's kept his weight in check & lifted to keep his muscle tone & overall strength close to what it was before, then he can get back into it w/some time IMO. He's not going to be an all pro in week 1, but if the skins sign him he's not going to start anyway.

I think the only way they'd sign him is if the staff feels he or Blades is a good fit at olb. Fletcher is the starter at MLB, Blades I presume the 2nd stringer at this point.[/quote]

Well if we judge him by his past, I highly doubt this guy's been working out like a madman the last two years. We're just fine with Blades backing up Fletcher.

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I'm all about giving a guy a second chance. Obviously, we'd want to do some investigating into some of these incidents (which sometimes the skins aren't too good at). I'd say yes w/ due dilegence, low risk, and a short leash. This guy doesn't appear to be in Adam Jones' league.

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I'd rather eat a poo salad than see the Skins sign Thurman. This guy has burned through his second, third, and fourth chances.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;449071]I'd rather eat a poo salad than see the Skins sign Thurman. This guy has burned through his second, third, and fourth chances.[/quote]

I'd like the Skins to sign Thurman just to see that...

THis seems like a low risk signing, if they brought him in and he was in good shape and the FO felt he could help us I wouldn't be upset with this move. The beauty with the NFL is we could cut him if he did even the slightest thing wrong.

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It's amazing what some people are willing to look past.

This guy is a bum. Let someone else take a chance.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449076]It's amazing what some people are willing to look past.

This guy is a bum. Let someone else take a chance.[/quote]

I amazed at some people too, prob not the same ones as you though. The Pats took a so called bad apple last year "Randy Moss" and it turned out great. The guys got made some questionable decisions, he paid the price. Bring him into camp with an agreement at one little mis step and he's gone. And see if he can turn it around... If he can't cut him, no harm... no foul. He doesn't need to be a boy scout.

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Let's not compare Thurman to Randy Moss. There is no comparison.
- Moss has not failed/failed to show up for any drug tests.
- Moss has only been convicted of a misdeamenor traffic violation in his NFL career.
- Moss has never been suspended from the NFL
- Moss is a top 5 talent at his position and has been consistently for years.
- Can't really blame a guy for having a bad attitude in Oakland. It isn't called the "Black Hole" for nothing.

We are not that thin at LB that we need the potential distractions and negative presence that Thurman is. Let another team give him a second chance....Oakland comes to mind.

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I like the thought of this guy being a good linebacker for nothing, but the Redskins dont ever get guys like this. I have read every late rou d draft pick they got and they all say hard worker great intangibles. They probably wont take this guy, even for free.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;449083]Let's not compare Thurman to Randy Moss. There is no comparison.
- Moss has not failed/failed to show up for any drug tests.
- Moss has only been convicted of a misdeamenor traffic violation in his NFL career.
- Moss has never been suspended from the NFL
- Moss is a top 5 talent at his position and has been consistently for years.
- Can't really blame a guy for having a bad attitude in Oakland. It isn't called the "Black Hole" for nothing.

We are not that thin at LB that we need the potential distractions and negative presence that Thurman is. Let another team give him a second chance....Oakland comes to mind.[/quote]

Exactly, there's a huge difference between being a malcontent as Moss was in Oakland and a bum with a rap sheet like Thurman.

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If the Raiders I mean Bangles don't want him that's all I need to know. No way we sign him.

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Let the cowboys and Jerry Jones have him, our LB's will have to be enough this season we can address that need next year. No need for a player with his issues he just doesn't get it!

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This guy is a MLB anyways....what we need is depth at OLB.
He is not a fit for us right now...keep on lookin'

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[quote=jdlea;449045]Troy Williamson lost a game check and is no longer a member of the Minnesota Vikings for pretty much that reason[/quote]


that was kinda messed up to me

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[quote=Mattyk72;449076]It's amazing what some people are willing to look past.

This guy is a bum. Let someone else take a chance.[/quote]

Lol, a high Madden rating will get you a lot of respect on the local forums.

I remember seeing this thread thinking "for once can this just be about why he got cut and not a lobbying attempt to sign this guy for the minimum?" but that hasn't been working for me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449076]It's amazing what some people are willing to look past.

This guy is a bum. Let someone else take a chance.[/quote]


I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole with gloves on.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;449102]Lol, a high Madden rating will get you a lot of respect on the local forums.

I remember seeing this thread thinking "for once can this just be about why he got cut and not a lobbying attempt to sign this guy for the minimum?" but that hasn't been working for me.[/quote]


He was only like an 84

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Let him be someone else's problem.

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Well while we're on the linebacker depth kick, if we do end up signing a former high caliber Linebacker for depth then I think that Takeo Spikes would be a better option. Not saying I really want him, and I doubt the FO will do it, but if it was between Thruman and Spikes I would much rather have Spikes. At least Spikes doesn't have character issues and has been in football as of late.

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"Thurman, reinstated by the NFL on April 21, already was on a short leash with the Bengals after missing the past two seasons for violating the league's substance abuse policy. [B]He missed the past several weeks of organized team activities to be with his ailing grandmother[/B], who recently died, according to his representative, Safarrah Lawson.

The funeral for Thurman's grandmother was on May 12 and the [B]Bengals wanted him to rejoin the team for workouts soon after, Lawson said. But Thurman remained with his family in Georgia through Monday[/B],[B] at which time the team informed him he was no longer a Bengal[/B]."

To me it looks like they released him because he didn't go to workouts after his grandmother died, if my grandma, or any relative died of mine, I'd probably not show up for a month or so.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449076]It's amazing what some people are willing to look past.

This guy is a bum. Let someone else take a chance.[/quote]

Once again, I think there is a big difference between bad teamates & bad personal behavior. There are plenty of guys that come into the nfl very immature & it shows in their behavior. Thurman sounds more like one of those guys than he does a selfish team cancer type. I'm more comfortable w/guys w/a substance abuse record than a history of self absorbed tantrums.

I haven't followed all his troubles, so I can't say I know much more than what I've read today. If his problems are all drug/alcohol related, and he knows he has to stay clean to keep his job, it essentially comes down to whether he's committed to doing so. I think it's certainly worth looking into to see if the guy has changed.

If he hasn't, well there's always Al & Jerry.

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[B]Posted at 5:26 PM ET, 05/19/2008[/B]

[B]Odell Thurman[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Getting bombarded with emails on this one and figured I'd post about it here.
The Bengals released the talented but troubled LB today, and yes, the Skins could use depth at LB, but I'd be stunned if this one goes down.

Been poking around on this and see no evidence of Skins interest at all to this point and would be shocked if they put in a waiver claim (heard they did not, in fact). Thurman's next slip up, should there be one, could keep him out of the league for a long, long time and he's already been away for the game for the past two seasons due to substance abuse violations.

Don't see Greg Blache making a move for this guy. Someone may in fact claim him off waivers - Thurman is on his rookie contract and the former second-round pick has a modest contract - but he's a natural inside LB and the Skins have HB Blades backing up London Fletcher there. They could use a someone to replace Randall Godfrey as a super-sub of sorts on the outside, but, again, everything I hear to this point is that the Skins are not looking at this guy.

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Too bad Odell Thurman is a freakin thumper, he'd be a good backup linebacker and
special teams guy...With the way the redskins players get hurt, you cant have enough guys with starting experience in the backup role

MJ

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To everyone who says that it couldn't hurt to take a look at a guy with character problems then I suggest you watch this video. This is actual footage of GM's and scouts looking at players who have repeatedly f**ked up in the past.

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Also: Quote of the day from finkle22281 at ES.

[QUOTE]
"screw this guy....bring back LaVar!"
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I also love how the guy is only available on Waivers at the moment yet every other post over there is Vet Min + incentives.

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Every time I see someone cut by another team, I immediately log on to this site to see who suggests we pick up someone else's trash. It just floors me each and every time. I like what Cerrato and Snyder are doing right now... growing from within and locking up core players. We DON"T need to go back to scavenging the free agent/waiver wire for malcontents and has-beens.

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[quote=freddyg12;449115]Once again, I think there is a big difference between bad teamates & bad personal behavior. There are plenty of guys that come into the nfl very immature & it shows in their behavior. Thurman sounds more like one of those guys than he does a selfish team cancer type. [B]I'm more comfortable w/guys w/a substance abuse record than a history of self absorbed tantrums[/B].

I haven't followed all his troubles, so I can't say I know much more than what I've read today. If his problems are all drug/alcohol related, and he knows he has to stay clean to keep his job, it essentially comes down to whether he's committed to doing so. I think it's certainly worth looking into to see if the guy has changed.

If he hasn't, well there's always Al & Jerry.[/quote]

Good thing you don't run the team that's for sure.

The guy was suspended for the last 2 years. That says everything I need to know about his character. The chances of him changing for the better are slim at best.

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Honestly I'd give hima chance. I'm not saying give him a 7 year $56 mil deal or anything but seriously. Why is it that when it comes to the Skins we are always faking like we need to have these innocent church going nice guys. When Tank Johnson was avaliable everyone said no forget that guy let the Cowboys get him.. Now they have him. A BIG M'Fer to clog up the middle. If he get's in trouble again then you let him go. I mean seriously, we need players. I don't know about you but do we have some serious LB depth somewhere that I don't know about ? It's worth a shot if anything. I'm not so much saying go for Thurman, I would though, but every guy that has a problem it's like No he ran too many red lights I don't want him here. Put some kind of language in his contract that says you blow it you're gone.