Who Will Start, Heyer or Jansen?
 

I keep hearing that Heyer has transformed himself into a lean mean fighting machine. I was wondering, who everyone feels at this point, will start at right tackle. I am going out on a limb and saying Heyer.

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No brainer.

Jansen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449787]No brainer.

Jansen.[/quote]
Do you think any of the starters will be displaced? Maybe Reinhardt, at left gaurd.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;449788]Do you think any of the starters will be displaced? Maybe Reinhardt, at left gaurd.[/quote]Daniels may move inside.

Outside of that, the only three players in the starting lineup who might be in danger are McIntosh, Doughty, and Springs...if Rogers is healthy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;449789]Daniels may move inside.

Outside of that, the only three players in the starting lineup who might be in danger are McIntosh, Doughty, and Springs...if Rogers is healthy.[/quote]
I should have clarified myself better. I was talking about the Oline. Although I disagree with Springs, doughty and Springs. I say they are all solid in their spots.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;449790]I should have clarified myself better. I was talking about the Oline. Although I disagree with Springs, doughty and Springs. I say they are all solid in their spots.[/quote]I'd bet on them all staying in their spots as well.

OL figures to be the same starting five as last year. Rabach might be on a quick hook if he struggles again, though it shouldn't be as hard on him with all the other guys in the lineup again.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;449786]I keep hearing that Heyer has transformed himself into a lean mean fighting machine. I was wondering, who everyone feels at this point, will start at right tackle. I am going out on a limb and saying Heyer.[/quote]

I wouldn't be shocked if this was the case. Jansen isn't the player he once was. I do hope Jansen is still good enough to win the job.

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Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something. Hopefully, he's started to take better care of himself and increased his quickness. I've been a little pessimistic about Jansen since I heard him complain of the heat in D.C. and admit that he "eats like crap." With millions on hand I might think about hiring a chef who can satisfy my appetite and keep me in tip-top shape - how is it that half of hollywood does it but it's somehow too much to ask of a professional athlete?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;449789]Daniels may move inside.

Outside of that, the only three players in the starting lineup who might be in danger are McIntosh, Doughty, and Springs...if Rogers is healthy.[/QUOTE]

I can't see Springs getting benched. Last season he was solid and at his healthiest in years, which he says is a result of better diet/exercise. Seems like he learned how to best take care of himself. I think Smooty will start over Rogers. Smooty gets all out digs for laying that nasty hit on Hasselback last year. I'm sure that stuck out in coach Zorn's mind too.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;449788]Do you think any of the starters will be displaced? Maybe Reinhardt, at left gaurd.[/quote]

Not unless it's due to injury.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;449796]Not unless it's due to injury.[/QUOTE]

Who's likely to get injured and do you think Reinhardt will get first shot at backup?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;449787]No brainer.

Jansen.[/QUOTE]

I think it will be Jansen, but I wont go as far as to say its a "no brainer", Heyer played well last year, and I just worry about Jansens injury and if he'll be the same player after his second surgery. I'm a huge Jansen guy, and I ulitmatley think he will be our guy, but I really wouldnt be suprised if Heyer gave him a real run.

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It will be Jansen. That being said Jansen could very easily go down again and you could see Heyer. I really doubt that Jansen will be pulled due to performance issues though.

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I would be shocked and awed if a healthy Jansen was not starting opening day.

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[quote=Gmanc711;449800]I think it will be Jansen, but I wont go as far as to say its a "no brainer", Heyer played well last year, and I just worry about Jansens injury and if he'll be the same player after his second surgery. I'm a huge Jansen guy, and I ulitmatley think he will be our guy, but I really wouldnt be suprised if Heyer gave him a real run.[/quote]

I'll go that far.

Jansen is easily the starter if he's healthy, which he is right now.

I don't see where there's even any debate. I see Jansen coming back with a serious chip on his shoulder ready to prove the doubters wrong.

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I do not think Heyer is quallity starting material. That said I do think Jansen is on the down side and Heyer could be better then him. I really do not like either. We were absolutely crazy to drat 5'9 Tryon instead of 6'5 340 pound Carl Nicks who was the most physically gifted right tackle/guard in the draft. Right tackle worries me and I do not think it would be out of the question, though not likely that Wade could start if healthy because he might be the best run blocker of the three. If Heyer were a little bigger, like 6'7 330 instead of 6'6 320, i'd be i little bit more optimistic about his chances, but because of his lack of quickness and average size; i'd say he's a backup at best and this is Jansen's last season.

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[quote=RIGGO/NYC;449824]I do not think Heyer is quallity starting material. That said I do think Jansen is on the down side and Heyer could be better then him. I really do not like either. We were absolutely crazy to drat 5'9 Tryon instead of 6'5 340 pound Carl Nicks who was the most physically gifted right tackle/guard in the draft. Right tackle worries me and I do not think it would be out of the question, though not likely that Wade could start if healthy because he might be the best run blocker of the three. If Heyer were a little bigger, like 6'7 330 instead of 6'6 320, i'd be i little bit more optimistic about his chances, but because of his lack of quickness and average size; i'd say he's a backup at best and this is Jansen's last season.[/quote]
Since when is 320 6-6 not big enough, thats prototypical size.

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I hope Heyer moves into the starting role.He played pretty damn good last year

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Heyer did not look like he was anywhere near ready to start at RT. He looked like a late round pick who needed TE help to get the job done. I like Heyer, he didn't look like a UDFA. and has potential....but he's not better than even an aging Jansen.

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[quote=The Goat;449793]Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something. [/quote]

Jasen got rolled up on because Jason Taylor should have been called offsides for jumping the snap count. Instead Taylor and Thomas were able to pressure Campbell into the dirt. How does his freak inury have any bearing on his consistency?

The guy is doing his job he just got unlucky that two of his major injuries were at the start of a season and made him miss 31 games.

Bugel put him in the starting lineup in '07. If this injury doesn't hinder him he should pick up where he left off.

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[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;449833]Jasen got rolled up on because Jason Taylor should have been called offsides for jumping the snap count. Instead Taylor and Thomas were able to pressure Campbell into the dirt. [B]How does his freak inury have any bearing on his consistency?[/B]

The guy is doing his job he just got unlucky that two of his major injuries were at the start of a season and made him miss 31 games.

Bugel put him in the starting lineup in '07. If this injury doesn't hinder him he should pick up where he left off.[/QUOTE]

What I meant to say is that Jansen's lack of quickness has a major bearing on his likelihood of injury. Slower guys get hurt more. The tapes from last preseason are pretty overwhelming I thought because he actually looked his slowest during the last game against Jacksonville.

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I think Jansen is easily the starter but when he goes down Heyer goes in. Lets say Jansen has another season ending injury and Heyer steps in and performs good enough to take the job from Jansen I believe we could be seeing the last of Jansen in a Redskins uni.

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I'm hoping Jansen is in better shape and stays healthy.

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[QUOTE=mooby;449838]I think Jansen is easily the starter but when he goes down Heyer goes in. Lets say Jansen has another season ending injury and Heyer steps in and performs good enough to take the job from Jansen I believe we could be seeing the last of Jansen in a Redskins uni.[/QUOTE]

I wouldnt say you're going too far out on a limb by saying that we wouldnt see jansen again if he goes down with another season ending injury this year, in fact i would be shocked if he wasnt released after yet another season ending injury, especially considering his talent has been in decline a couple of years now.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;449827][B]Since when is 320 6-6 not big enough[/B], thats prototypical size.[/quote]

LOL seriously

:doh:

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[quote=GTripp0012;449791]I'd bet on them all staying in their spots as well.

OL figures to be the same starting five as last year. Rabach might be on a quick hook if he struggles again, though it shouldn't be as hard on him with all the other guys in the lineup again.[/quote]I don't agree that Rabach struggled last year. Heyer needs to learn if there's no one in front of him to block put your head on a swivel and find him. He's still developing and doesn't look to be built to handle the power DE. He may be better suited to backup (and maybe eventually replace) Samuels as he blocks faster and more agile DEs.

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I agree with the no brainer comment...
Jansen....Heyer is a basic backup right now and though Jansen has declined...he is far more experienced and better than Heyer...
now Wade on the other hand is the more realistic question.

I personally believe Heyer with backup ahead of Wade....because of age, pay and most importantly....performance

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At first when I saw this thread I thought it an almost ridiculous question, but I gave it a thought & read the original post, which said that Heyer is making major progress in the offseason. If that's true I could almost see it happening in the same fashion that Montgomery became a starter last year.

I'm hoping Jansen is up to the task & the job is his to lose. He's a bit slower & has problems w/speed rushers, but Heyer got manhandled on bull rushes by P. Kearnery in the playoffs. His strength seems far away from being starting material, but maybe that's changed.

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While I don't think Heyer played all that well last year, I do believe he showed promise enough to make the coaches believe with some good training he can become a good player. I think a lot of people were expecting more of him, but for me, the fact that he was an undrafted free agent rookie who ended up getting a lot of playing time in his rookie season, well he performed good enough for me to believe that with some help from Buges he can become a quality backup.

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I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.

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[quote=Daseal;449874]I think Jansen has lost a lot with the injuries. I think Heyer has a good chance to beat him out. The best thing about fresh coaching staffs is they have nearly no attachment to most of the players -- that means production talks.

Even if Jansen does get the start, I give him 4 games till he's done again. I just dont know if he can hold up anymore. He was great for years, but we're going to start moving on.[/quote]
But don't you think Buges will still have a major say on which OLine start?

I think Jansen will be great again this year. I don't think he's been the same since his good friend and former roommate Ramsey was benched but I think he wants to prove that he's not an injury prone aging lineman.

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There is no garuntee any player anywhere will not go down with the same injury Jansen did . That kind of injury does not make you injury prone just unlucky .

People tend to forget that for 2 years Jansen has had his normal duties co-oppted to a drgree . He is knownas a powerful run blocker and for the past two years he has been the blind side protector for the left handed Brunell which requires slightly different style of playing, ligher more athletic ..

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[quote=The Goat;449793]Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something. Hopefully, he's started to take better care of himself and increased his quickness. I've been a little pessimistic about Jansen since I heard him complain of the heat in D.C. and admit that he "[COLOR=Red]eats like crap[/COLOR]." With millions on hand I might think about hiring a chef who can satisfy my appetite and keep me in tip-top shape - how is it that half of hollywood does it but it's somehow too much to ask of a professional athlete?[/quote]

Most OLinemen eat like crap, are the slowest guys on the field, and hate temps above 55 degrees. Flexibility, hand quickness, brute strength and footwork are far more important for the position than speed. Could you imagine Walter Jones, Matt Lyght, Steve Hutchinson or any other elite lineman outrunning any non-Olineman on their respective teams?

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Jansen, don't be silly.

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[quote=The Goat;449793]Good thread topic.

I haven't heard anything on Heyer this offseason (if anybody has a link to an article please post), but he did not look like starting material IMO last season. Jansen will start... I wouldn't bet a single dollar he finishes the season. I re-reviewed some preseason tape from 07 and Jansen looked like the slowest player on the field every single down. IMHO opinion he was doomed to get hurt because when you're slow in a game of speed you're gonna get trampled or rolled up on or something. Hopefully, he's started to take better care of himself and increased his quickness. I've been a little pessimistic about Jansen since I heard him complain of the heat in D.C. and admit that he "eats like crap." With millions on hand I might think about hiring a chef who can satisfy my appetite and keep me in tip-top shape - how is it that half of hollywood does it but it's somehow too much to ask of a professional athlete?[/quote]

Have you heard about Randy Thomas and his eating habits?

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Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?

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[quote=The Goat;449890]Well... maybe a healthy lifestyle/diet is too much to ask of a professional athlete.

Seriously though, S. Springs was the most injury prone guy on either side of the ball until he focused on diet/training/lifestyle and look what it did for him last year. I would expect other guys to notice and try harder, but I don't think Jansen is that kind of player. It's absurd to think or say that o-lineman don't take care of themselves and have to be slow. Seriously? Anybody here think Samuels eats like crap and is slow? What we're talking about here is complacency by Jansen, and RT evidently, although he still shows a lot of quickness out there. For pete's sake, when your aging, seeing your own skill diminish, and spending time on the sidelines wouldn't you want to help yourself out as much as possible?[/quote]

I think you're blowing this sky high.

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;449891][B]I think you're blowing this sky high.[/B]

Do you really think Jansen and Thomas aren't in good physical condition and aren't dedicated to their careers??[/QUOTE]

You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.

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[quote=The Goat;449892]You might be right. It took me by surprise when Jansen talked about his poor habits/diet in a national interview 2 years (?) ago. Telling a reporter that your sweat is really just grease doesn't necessarily inspire... so yeah I would say his personal choices are probably a contributor to his decline. I don't really know much about RT except we're a significantly better offense when he's on the field.[/quote]

Not sure how diet is directly correlated with snapping an ankle and blowing out an achilles tendon. Up until those freak injuries the guy was literally a rock in the starting lineup.

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I think Daseal had a good point about new coaches not feeling partial toward players. Maybe that alone could motivate Jansen, or maybe he's gonna come out extra motivated no matter what. That's the scenario i'm hoping for.