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Just looking around i think there are at least three early, somewhat non-obvious calls that can already be made about next season:

1. Carolina returns in a big way. delhomme is back, the OL is beefier now, new RB, and a HUGE change in strength of schedule makes their life much easier. It's all dependent on delhomme staying healthy though, but if so, they should go 11-5 (+/- 1). The bucs likely take the hit at their expense and land just outside the playoffs.

2. The Rams will be better, but not as much as you might think. Yes, it'd be impossible for them to lose 80% of their O line again, and the defense actually was a bit better last year, but strength of schedule isn't really any better for them this year, with them playing the pats and the entire NFC east early... 8-8 (+/- 1) and outside the playoffs.

3. Oakland will be vastly improved - though more by accident than the work of Al Davis. Even though he put in 300$mill worth of contracts this offseason, most of it was wasteful. That said, they had a laughable schedule (.395 until december) compared to last year and better (but overpaid) talent. 8-8 (+/- 1) and outside the playoffs.


I'm less committed but willing to venture that the bills probably make the playoffs (10-6 +/- 1) and find a quick way out.


I generally don't like giving skins predictions, and with JC, zorn, a bunch of rookies that might or might not show up immediately, and a WCO, it's a real gamble to predict.


as far as FF goes, delhomme, smith, and stewart all are poised for big years, and could be overlooked in some drafts. The rams keys players are probably overvalued a bit, and walker (raiders) is only worth looking at later on (injury and a rookie qb w/ a questionable OL).

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[quote=That Guy;450776]Just looking around i think there are at least three early, somewhat non-obvious calls that can already be made about next season:

1. Carolina returns in a big way. delhomme is back, the OL is beefier now, new RB, and a HUGE change in strength of schedule makes their life much easier. It's all dependent on delhomme staying healthy though, but if so, they should go 11-5 (+/- 1). The bucs likely take the hit at their expense and land just outside the playoffs.

2. The Rams will be better, but not as much as you might think. Yes, it'd be impossible for them to lose 80% of their O line again, and the defense actually was a bit better last year, but strength of schedule isn't really any better for them this year, with them playing the pats and the entire NFC east early... 8-8 (+/- 1) and outside the playoffs.

3. Oakland will be vastly improved - though more by accident than the work of Al Davis. Even though he put in 300$mill worth of contracts this offseason, most of it was wasteful. That said, they had a laughable schedule (.395 until december) compared to last year and better (but overpaid) talent. 8-8 (+/- 1) and outside the playoffs.


I'm less committed but willing to venture that the bills probably make the playoffs (10-6 +/- 1) and find a quick way out.


I generally don't like giving skins predictions, and with JC, zorn, a bunch of rookies that might or might not show up immediately, and a WCO, it's a real gamble to predict.


as far as FF goes, delhomme, smith, and stewart all are poised for big years, and could be overlooked in some drafts. The rams keys players are probably overvalued a bit, and walker (raiders) is only worth looking at later on (injury and a rookie qb w/ a questionable OL).[/quote]

I agree with much of what you said here, except for Buffalo. Granted they are an improved team, and may see 10-6 or 9-7 next season. But as for the playoffs, they are in the AFC East and New England is the hands down favorite to win that division. So Buffalo will have to shoot for the wild-card.

And the AFC South is just as tough a division as the NFC East so I look for Jacksonville to get one of those WC slots (simply because Indy should win the division). Then it might be between Buffalo, Tennessee and (believe it or not) the JETS that get the last WC. Jets made some very nice moves this offseason and could be a sleeper in the conference.

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I don't get the hype that Eagles fans have for their team. I was on their board a few days ago and the majority of them seem convinced they have an elite defense that is going to carry them to the NFCC (at least) this year. They are also banking on LJ Smith being healthy to fix their red zone offense problems. The only issue I see that could keep the Eagles from being an elite team is the fact that they don't have any true #1 wideout. I know that if the Eagles got a true #1 wideout they would be an elite team on offense but that didn't happen this offseason and I don't see their current group of wideouts as able to fill the void.

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[quote=mooby;450797]I don't get the hype that Eagles fans have for their team. I was on their board a few days ago and the majority of them seem convinced they have an elite defense that is going to carry them to the NFCC (at least) this year. They are also banking on LJ Smith being healthy to fix their red zone offense problems. The only issue I see that could keep the Eagles from being an elite team is the fact that they don't have any true #1 wideout. I know that if the Eagles got a true #1 wideout they would be an elite team on offense but that didn't happen this offseason and I don't see their current group of wideouts as able to fill the void.[/quote]

If I were an eagles fan I would be pretty psyched for this year. They have a lot of signs for a good year; they finished strong, McNabb is healthy & has a chip on his shoulder, the D is always solid & they picked up Samuel.

Talent wise there not up there w/the best, but their overall roster is always pretty deep & they draft well. Their coaching staff is one of the best in the league IMO.

True they lack a real game changer at wr, and if Westbrook goes down they might look like a different team, but they've always managed to move the ball well w/mediocre to poor wr's.

Overall, I definitely have more of a feel for Philly at this point than I do for our skins. the reasons are obvious, new coach & O for us, age at some positions, JC's development. I think it's a safer bet at this point to say philly will go 10-6 or so & make the playoffs & the Skins won't.

btw, I hate the iggles!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;450793]I agree with much of what you said here, except for Buffalo. Granted they are an improved team, and may see 10-6 or 9-7 next season. But as for the playoffs, they are in the AFC East and New England is the hands down favorite to win that division. So Buffalo will have to shoot for the wild-card.

And the AFC South is just as tough a division as the NFC East so I look for Jacksonville to get one of those WC slots (simply because Indy should win the division). Then it might be between Buffalo, Tennessee and (believe it or not) the JETS that get the last WC. Jets made some very nice moves this offseason and could be a sleeper in the conference.[/quote]

Actually, I think this could be a big year for the Jags. I expect them to take the south from Indy & get to the afc championship.

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one team that will be interesting to watch is the Pats. If they thought the spygate thing was a distraction last year, wait till kickoff of 08. There's even more incentive for other teams to bring their a game.

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I agree with you on Carolina and the Rams, but Oakland I'm not to sure I agree with you there..............I just have to see them play good before I can start singing their praises; just because they've been crappy for a long time now.

And to add something to your list..............I don't see New England being a dominate team this year. They are in perhaps the worst division I've ever seen, so they will win alot of games. They will be in the play offs. But they won't be blowing out opponents like they were last year. Not only, will their opponents be looking out for their camera guys, but the defensive coaches can now communicate with their Captain. And Bellichek pissed off just about every team in the league last year. I mean, going for it on Fourth down with a three score lead INSTEAD OF KICKING A FIELD GOAL!!! Doing things like that is going to make teams play extra hard against them.

Also, I can see the Cardinals winning their division this year. I know its a stretch, but they have good recievers and with Grimm working with that O-line.............................they're running game is going to be vastly improved this year. They will at the very least compete for their division title.

Ohh and Dallas is just going to suck this year! Their secondary is a joke! I mean, did you hear that Roy Williams went back to his college number just so he could cover a little better! They better hope Newman doesn't get hurt. If he does "the sky is going to be raining footballs"! And their offense is okay.............but Romo is still a rookie in my mind. In his second year, he looses a snap, recovers it, and then lofts it up there high in the middle of the field!?!??! Only a rookie can have an excuse for doing something that dumb. And on the last play of a half, during a hail marry, he takes a sack? If there is anytime you should throw a ball up there that is the time! At least give your recievers a chance! I could go on and on. But, I'll wait until Dallas week before I do so.

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[quote=Miller101;450821]
And to add something to your list..............I don't see New England being a dominate team this year. [B]They are in perhaps the worst division I've ever seen, so they will win alot of games.[/B]

Ohh and Dallas is just going to suck this year! Their secondary is a joke! I mean, did you hear that Roy Williams went back to his college number just so he could cover a little better! They better hope Newman doesn't get hurt. If he does "the sky is going to be raining footballs"! And their offense is okay.............but Romo is still a rookie in my mind. In his second year, he looses a snap, recovers it, and then lofts it up there high in the middle of the field!?!??! Only a rookie can have an excuse for doing something that dumb. And on the last play of a half, during a hail marry, he takes a sack? If there is anytime you should throw a ball up there that is the time! At least give your recievers a chance! I could go on and on. But, I'll wait until Dallas week before I do so.[/quote]

yeah i dont know why "experts" when singing the praise of the pats dont hedge their comments by stating that the pats are by far in the weakest division. but as a fan would you trade being in a highly respected and competitive NFC east which breeds heated rivalries for a weak divsion? i wouldnt . .

on the cowboys i love what im hearing about them . . greg ellis not practicing, roy williams being sensitive and causing conflict, you know its bad when you hear on espn "of all things pacman is trying to be the peacekeeper . . . " they are imploding as we speak and it is freakin june!! TO might need to do something TO-like just to snatch back all this attention other cowboys are getting. i love it.

ps - i was thinking about starting a "cowboys locker room a ticking time bomb" thread to collect all the articles detailing their problems so far so when can just add to it when more s*it pops up but im not a thread starter kind of guy.

go skins!!

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Dallas 0-16


Sure it probably won't happen, but you can bet I and any other real Redskins fan will be rooting for them to lose 16 times. :)

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If Pennington starts the whole season, the Jets get a lot better: 8-9 wins. They should be improved defensively, and the Passing game always is above average with Chad in there.

The Browns are a 5-6 win team. Their offensive backfield play may not have been a complete mirage -- but that schedule is difficult on them, and their offensive talent at Quarterback and Runningback is clearly inferior to both Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. Don't forget that they were the 30th ranked D last year and are counting on two veteran D Linemen to switch schemes and fill holes in the same offseason. Oh yeah, their top TWO corners last year -- one was traded to Detroit and one just got a season ending knee injury.

The Bengals are a 9-10 win team with that offense, but with the toughness of that division's schedule, that could take the AFC North, assuming they don't get swept by Pittsburgh. Their defense is likely to rebound from horrible to merely bad, and could improve past that depending on how the young corners develop.

Not sure if it's a surprise, but the Texans should be good for 9-10 wins.

The Cardinals figure to be a 10-11 win team. Leinart should stay healthy this year, and even if he doesn't, Kurt Warner can still handle his spot. That defense projects to be top notch, behind super safety Adrian Wilson (who missed most of last year's 8-8 effort) and franchise player Karlos Dansby. They've also done a great job building the defensive line there, which is both strong and deep.

The Rams should rebound nicely to 7-8 wins, and if Marc Bulger stays healthy, he should be pro bowl bound again.

I think the Bears will win 11 games and take the NFC North. There's no reason to think the defense can't be every bit as good as it was in 05-and-06, and they replaced two giant gaping holes on their offensive line, which should give the whole offense a fighting chance. It should be their best offense of the decade--which really isn't saying that much.

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I think the Houston Texans will make strides this year. Due to their division they won't make the playoffs, but in a few years these guys could be a really formidable team.

Everyone seems high on the Ravens, I see another mediocre season for an aging squad under new leadership.

I also think the Bills make strides, but miss the playoffs. It's just so hard to get a playoff spot in the AFC. If Trent Edwards really shines then they may be good for years.

I totally disagree about the Panthers. I'm not sold on Delhomme. He's coming off Tommy John surgery, and I just don't value him very high as a QB. I think TB takes that division easily. That said, the Saints prove that 2006 was the fluke, not 2007. Where are all those people dogging the Texans for taking Mario Williams now?

I expect the Lions to be improved. They're coming with a more balanced attack which will help their two stud WRs. They won't be competing for a playoff spot -- but will be improved.

Finally, I don't get the Eagles hype myself. They have a good secondary, but I'm not really scared of their LBs or Dline. They have no WRs. They have a very solid Oline, the best back in the division in Westbrook, and a solid QB in McNabb.

As far as the Redskins, I agree. Too many maybes to give them any sort of rankings.

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[quote=Miller101;450821]Ohh and Dallas is just going to suck this year! Their secondary is a joke! I mean, did you hear that Roy Williams went back to his college number just so he could cover a little better! They better hope Newman doesn't get hurt. If he does "the sky is going to be raining footballs"! And their offense is okay.............but Romo is still a rookie in my mind. In his second year, he looses a snap, recovers it, and then lofts it up there high in the middle of the field!?!??! Only a rookie can have an excuse for doing something that dumb. And on the last play of a half, during a hail marry, he takes a sack? If there is anytime you should throw a ball up there that is the time! At least give your recievers a chance! I could go on and on. But, I'll wait until Dallas week before I do so.[/quote]
So Springs and Landry are MIA from OTA's, and Dallas secondary is a joke? One would think you have enough to worry about in your own backyard rather than looking over the fence at other teams.

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i'll buy the cards being a bit better, but i don't think they'll hit 10-11 wins.
the jets might win 7, but i doubt they have a real shot at the playoffs.
i agree on the browns. 9 wins may be impossible with their schedule (pit/cin twice, nfc east, jax, etc)

panthers, again, depend entirely on delhomme's health (he was absolutely on fire pre-injury).

see, strength of schedule is like the giant unseen hand... that's the ONLY reason i'd bet on the raiders winning 3 more games. the talent is definitely better, but the contracts are horrible, and the long term prospects aren't great for post season wins.


i also think miami will be better than expected and better than the falcons. parcells has done a great job on the quick fix, and they'll still be bad, but they should be competitive in most games if not for having a rookie qb. i love the henne pick and think he should be their day 1 starter.

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Both Miami and Atlanta could rely heavily on their running games this year -- and be quite successful at it.

Remember with the Cards: 8 wins last year -- without their best defensive player for two thirds of the season. Unless you feel they were lucky to get 8, a two win improvement almost seems expected right now.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;450958]So Springs and Landry are MIA from OTA's, and Dallas secondary is a joke? One would think you have enough to worry about in your own backyard rather than looking over the fence at other teams.[/QUOTE]

I don't care about Springs and Landry training on their own. Some people think its a big deal, but I don't care! What I do care about is Rogers health! He was our 9th overall pick just a year after we got Sean. Blowing out his knee as bad as he did.............I can't buy into the fact that he'll be back in September. Heck, he might not even make it back to where he was before his injury. And if he can't come back healthy then we would have lost two top 10 picks in the last 4 years and its hard for any team to overcome that.

Shoooot what am I saying? We'll be alright. After all Landry and Springs kicked the crap out of you all and every other team we played against during the last month of the season!

And I got to know.............did Pacman Jones really work out at Deon Sanders summer camp for kids? I heard that he did on the Radio. Is it true?

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The Cardinals have been everyone's sexy pick for years now. I'll believe it when I see it.

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I am going to be the pioneer. I give the Skins' 8-8. Here's why.

Kelly, and Thomas are going to be the missing pieces to the offense. I expect Thomas to be more like Roy Williams. I do not see Kelly making a big impact this year, however I do see him catching some passes in the redzone. Davis is a no-brainer. If he can grasp the offense with Cooley, that's going to be our most important attack.

QB- Jason Campbell/Colt Brennan
RB- Clinton Portis
FB- Mike Sellers/Chris Cooley
H-Back/TE- Chris Cooley
TE/WR- Fred Davis
WR#1- Santana Moss
WR#2- Devin Thomas
WR#3- Antwaan Randle El


Ok, how many all pro's are there?

4. Three potential 1's rounders?


I know it's going to take a very long time for Zorn's system to take hold, but if he stays true to his word about keeping the running game the same, then I'll place 6 wins on the running game alone. Plus our D is the same as last year basically, we just need Justin Tryon to develop fast, and hope Carlos can at least play some nickel.

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[quote=Miller101;451046]I don't care about Springs and Landry training on their own. Some people think its a big deal, but I don't care! What I do care about is Rogers health! He was our 9th overall pick just a year after we got Sean. Blowing out his knee as bad as he did.............I can't buy into the fact that he'll be back in September. Heck, he might not even make it back to where he was before his injury. And if he can't come back healthy then we would have lost two top 10 picks in the last 4 years and its hard for any team to overcome that.

Shoooot what am I saying? We'll be alright. After all Landry and Springs kicked the crap out of you all and every other team we played against during the last month of the season!

And I got to know.............did Pacman Jones really work out at Deon Sanders summer camp for kids? I heard that he did on the Radio. Is it true?[/quote]
Since Adam Jones was not permitted at the facilities, he was with Deion Sanders and a handful of other pro players at SMU doing his off season workouts. It was not a kids camp, but a program hosted and sponsored by Sanders for college and pro players. Not unlike when other players in the league "work out on their own" instead of doing that at the team facilities.

But he is back at Valley Ranch now (fingers crossed and prayers spoken).

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[quote=XXVI;451059]I am going to be the pioneer. I give the Skins' 8-8. Here's why.

Kelly, and Thomas are going to be the missing pieces to the offense. I expect Thomas to be more like Roy Williams. I do not see Kelly making a big impact this year, however I do see him catching some passes in the redzone. Davis is a no-brainer. If he can grasp the offense with Cooley, that's going to be our most important attack.

QB- Jason Campbell/Colt Brennan
RB- Clinton Portis
FB- Mike Sellers/Chris Cooley
H-Back/TE- Chris Cooley
TE/WR- Fred Davis
WR#1- Santana Moss
WR#2- Devin Thomas
WR#3- Antwaan Randle El


Ok, how many all pro's are there?

4. Three potential 1's rounders?


I know it's going to take a very long time for Zorn's system to take hold, but if he stays true to his word about keeping the running game the same, then I'll place 6 wins on the running game alone. Plus our D is the same as last year basically, we just need Justin Tryon to develop fast, and hope Carlos can at least play some nickel.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So are you saying that a .500 season is acceptable and should be considered a positive thing at the end of this season? Not very optimistic are you? I would be disappointed with anything less than 10 wins. Is it realistic to think that way? Maybe not, but I do not believe that anyone sits back and says "You know, I want my team to only lose 8 times this year." Personally, I want us to try and win them all and hopefully we make the playoffs. No playoffs = disappointment, regardless of the situation.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=GTripp0012;451034]Both Miami and Atlanta could rely heavily on their running games this year -- and be quite successful at it.

Remember with the Cards: 8 wins last year -- without their best defensive player for two thirds of the season. Unless you feel they were lucky to get 8, a two win improvement almost seems expected right now.[/quote]

i think their schedule was easy last year and they'll have a much harder time vs the nfc east this year.

and on the skins, a completely new offense, a bunch of new players (though mainly as depth) and a new head coach means that winning 10 games will be a bit harder this year.

but, our schedule only has two sure losses (well, nothing's 100%, but seattle and pittsburg have very good rosters right now) and the rest seem pretty winnable. I'm not concerned with STL, NO, ARI, SF, DET, or BAL. CLE or CIN could go either way, but i do think we can win those at least 6/10 times.

so even with the new parts, i'll guess 9-7 +/- 1 (though i think we could cap at 11). the problem is if we can't even split in the NFC east, which is crazy competitive, but i'd tend to think we can.

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[quote=That Guy;451104]i think their schedule was easy last year and they'll have a much harder time vs the nfc east this year.[/quote]Good point right there, but I do think they will handle their division pretty easily.

Although the Rams could be a darkhorse. They haven't had a defense since 2001, but their last three first round picks have been Tye Hill, Adam Carriker, and Chris Long, and every one of those guys could be a defensive cornerstone.

If that defense becomes a top half defense, the Rams could certainly ruin the Cards' playoff chances.

I really like Arizona's defense this year, and I've liked their offense for quite some time now.

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[quote=That Guy;451104]but, our schedule only has two sure losses (well, nothing's 100%, but seattle and pittsburg have very good rosters right now) and the rest seem pretty winnable. I'm not concerned with STL, NO, ARI, SF, DET, or BAL. CLE or CIN could go either way, but i do think we can win those at least 6/10 times.[/quote]Well, we have Pittsburgh at home this year, and though it would be foolish to take Campbell over Big Ben at this point, Pittsburgh's roster is lacking in the exact same places ours is: They are elderly on defense, and have little of a running game to back up their passing game. The difference, of course, being that we have an established running back, and they have a one two punch of fantasy back Willie Parker, and rookie will-be-stud-two-years-from-now Mendenhall. I'm taking the Skins in that game, at least right now.

Seattle of course, is always a tough road game, but that team isn't impressive to me. Sure, they jettisoned Alexander, but a combination of Julius Jones and TJ Duckett doesn't strike all that much fear into anyone in the running game, and we know that Hasselbeck had his career year in 2005 -- three years ago. I don't want to say that we have the advantage at QB, but Campbell IS improving, and Hasselbeck is hanging around the above average tier for the next few years, so we [I]might [/I]have the advantage at QB in that game. Seattle's defense is much younger than ours, but they are definately in transition at a few positions, such as DE or Safety, and that might give us the advantage around the middle of the season.

The non-conference opponents we really have to be careful about: St. Louis, Arizona, Cincinnati, and to an extent, New Orleans. New Orleans has a crappy roster right now on paper, but I can't sleep on Drew Brees. Cincinnati is just a top offensive team from top to bottom, and they have two young corners and two young linebackers, so I can't count their defense out either. Still, I already know I'm picking the Skins over the Saints in the home opener, especially with 10 days to gameplan for it.

Anyway, the toughest part of the schedule is right at the beginning -- the first 5 games, so we will know right off the bat how good this team is going to be.

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Dude, why does everyone on this site feel like arguing with EVERYTHING I say? Let's ask Matty. Did my post make me look like I don't have high expectations? Even if it did a little, I'm not bashing in anyway. I just like to think we could at least put 6 wins on our running game. Is what I say so hard for people to understand? 10 wins? You're crazy though. If we win 10 games this year, I'll run through my neighborhood naked, praising your intelligence. There is no way, we will win 10 games. I love the Skins', and I'm sure they'll progress beyond a lot of peoples imaginations, but how are you going to put 10 wins on a new coach, a new offense, and three new wideouts that frankly need to be a full-time contributor in order to run it. Jason Campbell aside, we have a lot of developing to do, especially after Gibbs' system was in place for so long. You know how hard it is to un-learn certain tendencies someone has beat into your brain day in and day out for 4 years? 10 wins is a pipe dream. When was the last time we won 10 games? Exactally. Certainly not with a never-before-coached-ever head coach/qb coach, and definitely not the first year. Took Gibbs two years. Granted, he does have a great team, and not starting over like Joe did, but I still see it not-feesable. 9 games is the limit. I promise you.


[quote=Angry;451085][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So are you saying that a .500 season is acceptable and should be considered a positive thing at the end of this season? Not very optimistic are you? I would be disappointed with anything less than 10 wins. Is it realistic to think that way? Maybe not, but I do not believe that anyone sits back and says "You know, I want my team to only lose 8 times this year." Personally, I want us to try and win them all and hopefully we make the playoffs. No playoffs = disappointment, regardless of the situation.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

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[quote=XXVI;451137]Dude, why does everyone on this site feel like arguing with EVERYTHING I say? Let's ask Matty. Did my post make me look like I don't have high expectations? Even if it did a little, I'm not bashing in anyway. I just like to think we could at least put 6 wins on our running game. Is what I say so hard for people to understand? 10 wins? You're crazy though. If we win 10 games this year, I'll run through my neighborhood naked, praising your intelligence. There is no way, we will win 10 games. I love the Skins', and I'm sure they'll progress beyond a lot of peoples imaginations, but how are you going to put 10 wins on a new coach, a new offense, and three new wideouts that frankly need to be a full-time contributor in order to run it. Jason Campbell aside, we have a lot of developing to do, especially after Gibbs' system was in place for so long. You know how hard it is to un-learn certain tendencies someone has beat into your brain day in and day out for 4 years? 10 wins is a pipe dream. When was the last time we won 10 games? Exactally. Certainly not with a never-before-coached-ever head coach/qb coach, and definitely not the first year. Took Gibbs two years. Granted, he does have a great team, and not starting over like Joe did, but I still see it not-feesable. 9 games is the limit. I promise you.[/quote]

I don't think Angry was arguing with you, he simply disagreed and gave you his opinion.

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[quote=XXVI;451137]Dude, why does everyone on this site feel like arguing with EVERYTHING I say? Let's ask Matty. Did my post make me look like I don't have high expectations? Even if it did a little, I'm not bashing in anyway. I just like to think we could at least put 6 wins on our running game. Is what I say so hard for people to understand? 10 wins? You're crazy though. If we win 10 games this year, I'll run through my neighborhood naked, praising your intelligence. There is no way, we will win 10 games. I love the Skins', and I'm sure they'll progress beyond a lot of peoples imaginations, but how are you going to put 10 wins on a new coach, a new offense, and three new wideouts that frankly need to be a full-time contributor in order to run it. Jason Campbell aside, we have a lot of developing to do, especially after Gibbs' system was in place for so long. You know how hard it is to un-learn certain tendencies someone has beat into your brain day in and day out for 4 years? 10 wins is a pipe dream. [B]When was the last time we won 10 games?[/B] Exactally. Certainly not with a never-before-coached-ever head coach/qb coach, and definitely not the first year. Took Gibbs two years. Granted, he does have a great team, and not starting over like Joe did, but I still see it not-feesable. 9 games is the limit. I promise you.[/quote]3 years ago.

Anyway, you are on a discussion fourm that between fifty-75 people check daily, so when you post an opinion...chances are someone somewhere will disagree with you. It doesn't make you wrong...I don't think anyone is saying that--they just don't always agree.

Which is fine.

I agree that 8 wins is the most likely outcome of this season, but if we win three of our first five (tough task), its hard to see us not besting that.

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[QUOTE=XXVI;451137][QUOTE]10 wins? You're crazy though. If we win 10 games this year, I'll run through my neighborhood naked, praising your intelligence. There is no way, we will win 10 games.[/QUOTE]

Never say never. We should have learned that lesson by now

[QUOTE]I love the Skins', and I'm sure they'll progress beyond a lot of peoples imaginations[/QUOTE]

They won 9 games last year, so isn't 10 wins progress? Or are you talking about playoff progress? Like maybe a 9 win season but they play in the NFC Championship game?

[QUTOE]but how are you going to put 10 wins on a new coach, a new offense, and three new wideouts that frankly need to be a full-time contributor in order to run it.[/QUOTE]

Let's ask Sean Payton, for one.


[QUOTE]Jason Campbell aside, we have a lot of developing to do, especially after Gibbs' system was in place for so long. You know how hard it is to un-learn certain tendencies someone has beat into your brain day in and day out for 4 years?[/QUOTE]


Arguably the biggest knock against Gibbs (some say it's what made him great in his first tenure) is that there was no consistent system. They went from some form of WCO with the shotgun led by Musgrave to essentially a power running game to Al Saunders' offense over the course of four years. Not to mention, Moss and Portis both have experience and success in the WCO from previous teams, and the rookies (Kelly, Davis, Thomas) don't have to learn certain tendencies because they are just rookies anyway.

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Why is 10 wins so out of the question?

At this point there are so many unknowns I don't think anything can be ruled out. Let's see how this team looks in camp before we start throwing around rock solid predictions.

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I think if Derek Anderson continues the way he did last year, I think the Browns take the next step.

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[QUOTE="XXVI"]If we win 10 games this year, I'll run through my neighborhood naked, praising your intelligence.[/QUOTE]

Dude! Come about December or so you're gonna have to tell me which neighberhood! And don't worry! I'll be sure to bring my camera! :)


Seriously, Its not a entirely new system as you're making it out to be. As you might recall Buges is still with us and his running plays are staying with us as well. We'll still see those sweep plays that Portis is good at. Those plays........the name escapes me..........but its that play where one or both guards pull and clear a lane for Portis. And of course we'll still see 40/ 50 gut. If we don't loose two lineman again, we should be back in the top 5 running the ball this year.

As far as the passing game...............don't forget that the WCO was what Campbell was running when he lead his team to an undefeated season in the SEC. I really don't think it will take Campbell to long to get it all back.

Chill out dude! We're going to be alright!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;451168]I think if Derek Anderson continues the way he did last year, I think the Browns take the next step.[/quote]

not with that defense...

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[QUOTE=That Guy;451221]not with that defense...[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU!! Browns are NOT going to be near as good as they were last year. I don't see how it's possible for them to have a winning record again with that D. Derek Anderson is going to have to have an even better year than last year for that team to do just as good.

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[quote=Mattyk72;451167]Why is 10 wins so out of the question?

At this point there are so many unknowns I don't think anything can be ruled out. Let's see how this team looks in camp before we start throwing around rock solid predictions.[/quote]



I feel the same way(different team).So noone respects NY....good laugh us off like last year.We will lose games ,none of this 16-0 crap,10-6 maybe better,definitely playoffs.

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I think the Rams will bounce back in a big way this year. 6+ win improvement

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;451233]I think the Rams will bounce back in a big way this year. 6+ win improvement[/QUOTE]

I don't know, that's pretty steep. I can see it if their oline decides to start blocking. Marc Bulger took a pounding last year. I think their oline is their biggest question mark, if their oline can perform, and if the defense continues to improve they may be able to hit .500.

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I know you Redskins fans don't want to hear this but the Cowboys should win the NFC East going away this year. In my opinion the Skins played over their heads last year and Joe Gibbs was the difference. Although I did like what they did in the draft. You guys got some young studs on the offensive side of the ball.

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i wouldn't bet on the rams this year. they'll have a better record, but i don't think they'll be scaring anyone.

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[quote=SmootSmack;451233]I think the Rams will bounce back in a big way this year. 6+ win improvement[/quote]I have 7, officially.

10-6.

For some reason, in the scenario I have, 10-6 misses the playoffs in the NFC.

Anyway, they are heavy candidates to upset us if the boys aren't careful.

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if anyone wants to figure out a bet on the rams going 10-6 or not, i'll take it.

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I think the Skins are going to surprise a lot of people this year. Zorn, will want to make an impressive debute, and the players are very happy with what they see in him. Yes alot of old players, wanting a shot at ring. Young players wanting to make a statement. Most of all, an owner who is drooling for a championship. Giants vrs. Skins, will be very interesting, being the first game of the season. A loss for the Giants, could boost the confidence in all players, and I'll bet Zorn knows that as well. 28/16 Skins!

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[QUOTE=dutch111;451437]I think the Skins are going to surprise a lot of people this year. Zorn, will want to make an impressive debute, and the players are very happy with what they see in him. Yes alot of old players, wanting a shot at ring. Young players wanting to make a statement. Most of all, an owner who is drooling for a championship. Giants vrs. Skins, will be very interesting, being the first game of the season. A loss for the Giants, could boost the confidence in all players, and I'll bet Zorn knows that as well. [B]28/16 Skins![/B][/QUOTE]

Wow we already have a score prediction, and we don't even know the starting lineups!