The Greatest NFL Team of All Time
 

Sirius Radio is asking listeners to vote for the greatest NFL team of All Time. It looks like you can vote for one player at each positiion. I have to call BS on it already though. First, Russ Grimm wasn't an option at guard, while Randy Cross, who happens to work for Sirius, was an option at both center and guard. I think Joe Jacoby was an option at tackle. No other Hogs have been included. Second, Roger Wherli got 40% of the votes at CB!!!!!! Mel Blount deserves to be there, but can someone who saw Roger Wherli play tell me if he deserves to be there over say.....Darrell Green? If you want to vote anyway, they're voting for Safeties. Ken Houston is an option and I'm going with him. Here is the link :[url=http://www.sirius.com/nflgreatest]SIRIUS Satellite Radio - The Greatest NFL Team of All Time on SIRIUS[/url]

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I voted for Ronnie Lott. That was one tough SOB.

I cannot get upset about the Skins not being voted in though. Sometimes we can be a bit bias about our greats. While the Hoggs were the best OL as a unit in NFL history it does not necessarily mean that they were the best individual players at those positions.

To put this into perspective this is only a Sirius poll be voted on by a bunch of ammateurs anyway. Mr. Green is already getting his due this summer. A 1st round ballot inductee beats a Sirius opinion poll any day of the week.

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Looks like a pretty lame poll

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Other than Darrell Green, I can't think of any Redskins who even really enter the discussion for best at their position of all-time.

Darrell Green enters the discussion at CB for sure, but I can't hate if he doesn't make top 2 of all time.

Baugh maybe enters the discussion at QB. But playing in a run-oriented era won't help him there, people will think of the Montana's before they'll think of Baugh.

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[quote=Mattyk72;451069]Looks like a pretty lame poll[/quote]

Yeah, I voted for Lott.

Then the results came up and DARREN WOODSON is winning in a landslide.


What a joke.

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[QUOTE=Buster;451096]Yeah, I voted for Lott.

Then the results came up and DARREN WOODSON is winning in a landslide.


What a joke.[/QUOTE]

I noticed that too. Darren isn't even in that conversation if you ask me...

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And what the hell is Polamalu doing on there?

C'mon

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I enjoy Sirius NFL Radio, but these polls are 100% bogus. Look no further than the fact that Darren Woodson is currently dominating all challengers for "Greatest Saftey of All-Time". Woodson is the will be the 'greatest saftey' for the same reason that the Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers last year. Simply put, the world has too many Cowboy fans. Any Cowboy fan lacking some direct connection to the Dallas-Fortworth area by blood or geography should be purged from the Earth in my very humble opinion.

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How can Randy Moss be there and not Art Monk? If Monk played for a passing team like the 49ers of the 80's, Jerry Rice would still be playing trying to break Art's records. I hate this best team of all time, very few of us has been around long enough to have seen different players from different eras. Unfortunately statistics are what they base as being great. I can guarantee that there players from the old days that make new age players look like wimps. They should a best players of certain eras poll.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;451102]How can Randy Moss be there and not Art Monk? If Monk played for a passing team like the 49ers of the 80's, Jerry Rice would still be playing trying to break Art's records. I hate this best team of all time, very few of us has been around long enough to have seen different players from different eras. Unfortunately statistics are what they base as being great. I can guarantee that there players from the old days that make new age players look like wimps. They should a best players of certain eras poll.[/quote]

Monk's now in the Hall, so I think we can put away the Monk hyperbole now. No need to compare him to Jerry Rice or say he was the greatest receiver of all-time. He's a HOFer, but not the greatest to ever play the game. He's probably not even the greatest receiver to ever play for the Redskins, he'd probably rank second to Charley Taylor.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;451106]Monk's now in the Hall, so I think we can put away the Monk hyperbole now. No need to compare him to Jerry Rice or say he was the greatest receiver of all-time. He's a HOFer, but not the greatest to ever play the game. He's probably not even the greatest receiver to ever play for the Redskins, he'd probably rank second to Charley Taylor.[/quote]
Monk is fantastic and I'm going to Canton in Aug to see the induction, but he might be third behind Taylor and Bobby Mitchell.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;451106]Monk's now in the Hall, so I think we can put away the Monk hyperbole now. No need to compare him to Jerry Rice or say he was the greatest receiver of all-time. He's a HOFer, but not the greatest to ever play the game. He's probably not even the greatest receiver to ever play for the Redskins, he'd probably rank second to Charley Taylor.[/quote]

But he has had a better career than Randy Moss. That's the argument.

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Monk is one of my all time favorites and I hate R. Moss, but he has the all-time single season TD mark, the rookie record for yards, and he is arguably the most feared WR by D coordinators in the history of the NFL. Most D-coordinators from Monks era concede that they feared G. Clark more than Monk. Moss also has more yards than Monk in his carreer (I think). Point is Monk should not be considered for best WR of all time if I am going to be objective, which people voting on that poll are not being, hence Darren Woodson over Ronie Lott. Bullshit Poll! F*** the Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=RIGGO/NYC;451153]Monk is one of my all time favorites and I hate R. Moss, but he has the all-time single season TD mark, the rookie record for yards, and he is arguably the most feared WR by D coordinators in the history of the NFL. Most D-coordinators from Monks era concede that they feared G. Clark more than Monk. Moss also has more yards than Monk in his carreer (I think). Point is Monk should not be considered for best WR of all time if I am going to be objective, which people voting on that poll are not being, hence Darren Woodson over Ronie Lott. Bullshit Poll! F*** the Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

I think if you were to ask Ronnie Lott who he feared most Art Monk or Randy Moss (I don't remember if he played when Lott was around) his answer would be Monk. Monk always did well against the Niners whom a lot of people call the best team ever (that's for debate, 70's Steelers hands down own that recognition).

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This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:

1) Reggie White is a DE, not DT and IMO the best of all time with Deacon Jones second. How can the DE list not include Carl Eller or Harvey Martin, who was better than "Too Tall" Jones. Lee Roy Selmon was also not considered.

2) Where's Merlin Olsen on the DT list. You normally don't leave 14-time Pro Bowlers off an All-Time Greats list.

3) How can neither Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes, probably the best CB tandem of all time, not be on the CB list. I don't recall Wehrli, his stats are good, but I'm not sure how he won this. Darrell Green, Deion and Haynes would all get my vote before Wehrli. Blount is not a bad selection. Champ Bailey should've also been considered, more INTs than Wehrli and more Pro Bowls.

4) Hard to argue with Munoz, but Dierdorf and Pace should've been dropped in favor of Jacoby, Gary Zimmerman and Forrest Gregg. I would've voted Munoz & Zimmerman.

5) Cross sucks and shouldn't be on the list at Guard. I can't stand him and he sucks as a talking-head too. Cross and Allen should've been dumped for Grimm and Fralic from Atlanta. Hannah and Upshaw would've been my choices.

6) At Center, Webster was pretty darn good. And as much as I can't stand Cross, he does at least deserve to be on the list here.

7) At TE they could've at least spelled Gonzalez' name right. They should've dropped Bavaro and added Dave Casper. Winslow, Casper, Newsome and Gonzalez are all better than Sharpe. Tough call on the best between those four though.

8) Rice is hard to argue against as much as I can't stand him. Moss has put up consistent +1000 yd seasons and lead the NFL in receiving TDs 4 times (I believe). Aside from his down years in OAK he is hard to argue against. I would've dropped Maynard and added Charley Taylor to the list, Paul Warfield and Raymond Berry should've also been considered.

As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;451171]This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:

As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.

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I know he hasn't "technically" played in the NFL yet, but Durant Brooks should be in the conversation. He's going to be the-best-punter-of-all-tiiiiiiiiiiiime!

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;451101]I enjoy Sirius NFL Radio, but these polls are 100% bogus. Look no further than the fact that Darren Woodson is currently dominating all challengers for "Greatest Saftey of All-Time". Woodson is the will be the 'greatest saftey' for the same reason that the Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers last year. Simply put, the world has too many Cowboy fans. Any Cowboy fan lacking some direct connection to the Dallas-Fortworth area by blood or geography should be purged from the Earth in my very humble opinion.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. Have you seen Beer League?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fafoP9iMgpk]YouTube - Artie Lange's Thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys[/url]

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[QUOTE=Warren85Ellard;451419]I agree 100%. Have you seen Beer League?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fafoP9iMgpk]YouTube - Artie Lange's Thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys[/url][/QUOTE]

I had completely forgot about that movie. Not so great a movie, but I remember that line had me laughing for at least five minutes straight.

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[QUOTE=killromo;451333]Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.[/QUOTE]I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

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[QUOTE=starzzz;451837]I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.[/QUOTE]

Wow...just wow. I mean...wow! Let's see, what's worse? Being punched in the face, or being shot and paralyzed?

I mean I'm not justifying what Taylor is alleged to have done once, but there is just no comparison. Some say PacMan is just at the wrong place at the wrong time. But it seems like he's always in the wrong place at always the wrong time.

For his sake, I hope he's got his act together now.

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[quote=starzzz;451837]I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.[/quote]

how many drug dealers was ST hanging with? how many had cars with pacman embroidery on the seats?

yeah, keep talking.

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[quote=starzzz;451837]I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.[/quote]

Sean wasn't involved in a dozen police investigations. He made one mistake. Granted it was a bad one, but to compare him to Pacman... Well, you're a cowgirls fan. I expect nothing less from a scumbag team that hasn't won a playoff game in going on 13 years. So sad....

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[QUOTE=GMScud;451871]Sean wasn't involved in a dozen police investigations. He made one mistake. Granted it was a bad one, but to compare him to Pacman... Well, you're a cowgirls fan. I expect nothing less from a scumbag team that hasn't won a playoff game in going on 13 years. So sad....[/QUOTE]The game is played to win SUPER BOWLS, not playoff games. By the way, when was the last time you guys won a SUPERBOWL??!! Did you just say something?

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[quote=starzzz;451879]The game is played to win SUPER BOWLS, not playoff games. By the way, when was the last time you guys won a SUPERBOWL??!! Did you just say something?[/quote]Also something the Cowboys haven't done in recent history (i.e. Snyder era). Anything relevant.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;451842]Wow...just wow. I mean...wow! Let's see, what's worse? Being punched in the face, or being shot and paralyzed?

I mean I'm not justifying what Taylor is alleged to have done once, but there is just no comparison. Some say PacMan is just at the wrong place at the wrong time. But it seems like he's always in the wrong place at always the wrong time.

For his sake, I hope he's got his act together now.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying Pacman is an angel, by no means am I saying that. My point was that there was no proof that Pac shot that man himself. And in all those other incidents, I don't buy that (wrong place, wrong time) crap either, but 9 times out of ten he wasn't found guilty of those situation. ST was waiving a gun in HIS HANDS.

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[quote=starzzz;451882]I'm not saying Pacman is an angel, by no means am I saying that. My point was that there was no proof that Pac shot that man himself. And in all those other incidents, I don't buy that (wrong place, wrong time) crap either, but 9 times out of ten he wasn't found guilty of those situation. ST was waiving a gun in HIS HANDS.[/quote]Also: Not guilty.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;451881]Also something the Cowboys haven't done in recent history (i.e. Snyder era). Anything relevant.[/QUOTE]You can't win them every year. I'm sorry, if playoffs are your goals, knock yourself out.

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[quote=starzzz;451884]You can't win them every year. I'm sorry, if playoffs are your goals, knock yourself out.[/quote]What are you even arguing anymore?!?!

My hair is falling out.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;451883]Also: Not guilty.[/QUOTE]I think we both can agree that they both had great lawyers. All I was saying from the start was that Pac,, whether he was a Cowboy or not deserved a second chance.

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The greatest team ever has to be the 85 bears.

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[quote=starzzz;451892]The greatest team ever has to be the 85 bears.[/quote]


Nope ,you might want to look a the Steelers of the 70's

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[quote=starzzz;451886]I think we both can agree that they both had great lawyers. All I was saying from the start was that Pac,, whether he was a Cowboy or not deserved a second chance.[/quote]


WHY????What the hell did he do to deserve a second chance in the NFL,people would die for one chance but this baby back bitch ....sorry ...but that is exactly what Pac-man is ,should be in jail and I hope they prove he paid that guy to cover for him so he's in jaill for years!

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[quote=starzzz;451837]I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.[/quote]
First, where are you from? Anywhere in TX or are you just a Cowgirls fan?

Second, while you may be technically correct, the actual charges faced by Taylor were worse in terms of potential jail time than any that have faced Pacman thusfar. However let's take a look at their track records, not to mention as SS did, the results(Taylor-an punch in the face to Pacman-permanent paralysis):

Taylor:
10/27/2004 - DUI & Speeding. Acquitted of DUI

6/3/2005 - Aggravated Assault w/Firearm, Misdeamenor Battery. Additional counts of Agg Assault added later. All charges dropped in plea agreement, no felony record.

Pacman:
7/13/2005 - Assault & Felony vandalism from a nightclub incident. I believe he received probation.

9/5/2005 - Another nightclub incident, no charges filed.

2/2006 - felony and misdeamenor obstruction of justice for another incident.

8/25/2006 - Disorderly conduct, public intoxication stemming from ANOTHER nightclub incident. Probation.

10/26/2006 - Misdeamenor assault for spitting in a woman's face during a private party at....yes ANOTHER nightclub.

2/19/2007 - The Las Vegas strip club incident which left a man paralyzed (and could've wound up with people dead). After Pacman slammed a dancer's head on stage (seems he's got issues with women) and an "alleged" associate (member of his posse) came back firing shots. On a side note, this guy is all class. Nothing says class like walking into a high dollar strip club in Vegas with a garbage bag filled with $ 80K. Then proceeding to "make it rain" and slamming a dancer's head into the stage after she's picking up the cash.

5/7/2007 - Speeding.

6/18/2007 - Questioned for a shooting at....guess where...an Atlanta strip club. His cronies were involved, but he was not present so no charges were filed.

1/2008 - Before a hearing with the NFL Commish to discuss his suspension???? Another incident for punching a woman in the face in....a strip club. Charges dropped.

Sean had one major incident and it was because he decided he wasn't going to get punked by someone stealing his stuff (not agreeing with it, major league bad decision that could've turned out horribly). However after this incident he was a model citizen and devoted to God, his family, and teammates.

Pacman was a thug, got money and turned into a more destructive thug, and will always be either be an inmate or a thug. He's also a soft punk hitting and spitting on women...big tough guy. In the Vegas incident, rather than take on the bouncer himself he has six or more of his cronies help him in the fight and then sends one back to shoot at people.

You may be high on Pacman now, you won't be when he either fails drug tests or is involved in another strip club incident (hopefully no one is killed this time). If you have a guy with problems in strip clubs, Dallas is not the best place for him.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;451899]WHY????What the hell did he do to deserve a second chance in the NFL,people would die for one chance but this baby back bitch ....sorry ...but that is exactly what Pac-man is ,should be in jail and I hope they prove he paid that guy to cover for him so he's in jaill for years![/QUOTE]Would you have felt the same way about Lawrence Taylor when he was the BEST DEFENSIVE JUNKIE!!??

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;451903]First, where are you from? Anywhere in TX or are you just a Cowgirls fan?

Second, while you may be technically correct, the actual charges faced by Taylor were worse in terms of potential jail time than any that have faced Pacman thusfar. However let's take a look at their track records, not to mention as SS did, the results(Taylor-an punch in the face to Pacman-permanent paralysis):

Taylor:
10/27/2004 - DUI & Speeding. Acquitted of DUI

6/3/2005 - Aggravated Assault w/Firearm, Misdeamenor Battery. Additional counts of Agg Assault added later. All charges dropped in plea agreement, no felony record.

Pacman:
7/13/2005 - Assault & Felony vandalism from a nightclub incident. I believe he received probation.

9/5/2005 - Another nightclub incident, no charges filed.

2/2006 - felony and misdeamenor obstruction of justice for another incident.

8/25/2006 - Disorderly conduct, public intoxication stemming from ANOTHER nightclub incident. Probation.

10/26/2006 - Misdeamenor assault for spitting in a woman's face during a private party at....yes ANOTHER nightclub.

2/19/2007 - The Las Vegas strip club incident which left a man paralyzed (and could've wound up with people dead). After Pacman slammed a dancer's head on stage (seems he's got issues with women) and an "alleged" associate (member of his posse) came back firing shots. On a side note, this guy is all class. Nothing says class like walking into a high dollar strip club in Vegas with a garbage bag filled with $ 80K. Then proceeding to "make it rain" and slamming a dancer's head into the stage after she's picking up the cash.

5/7/2007 - Speeding.

6/18/2007 - Questioned for a shooting at....guess where...an Atlanta strip club. His cronies were involved, but he was not present so no charges were filed.

1/2008 - Before a hearing with the NFL Commish to discuss his suspension???? Another incident for punching a woman in the face in....a strip club. Charges dropped.

Sean had one major incident and it was because he decided he wasn't going to get punked by someone stealing his stuff (not agreeing with it, major league bad decision that could've turned out horribly). However after this incident he was a model citizen and devoted to God, his family, and teammates.

Pacman was a thug, got money and turned into a more destructive thug, and will always be either be an inmate or a thug. He's also a soft punk hitting and spitting on women...big tough guy. In the Vegas incident, rather than take on the bouncer himself he has six or more of his cronies help him in the fight and then sends one back to shoot at people.

You may be high on Pacman now, you won't be when he either fails drug tests or is involved in another strip club incident (hopefully no one is killed this time). If you have a guy with problems in strip clubs, Dallas is not the best place for him.[/QUOTE]All those charges you have posted are legit, I'm not questioning that, but SHOW ME WHERE AND WHEN HE WAS THE ACTUAL SHOOTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE REAL DUMMY IS THE GUY WHO LISTENED TO PACMAN IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, UNTIL THEN SHUT THE **** UP!!

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[QUOTE=Giantone;451898]Nope ,you might want to look a the Steelers of the 70's[/QUOTE]The only reason I chose the 85 bears, they had what I think was the best defense ever assembled, to go along with a very good offense.

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[quote=starzzz;451909]All those charges you have posted are legit, I'm not questioning that, but SHOW ME WHERE AND WHEN HE WAS THE ACTUAL SHOOTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE REAL DUMMY IS THE GUY WHO LISTENED TO PACMAN IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, UNTIL THEN SHUT THE **** UP!![/quote]
You still haven't answered my first question (see my post).

Your response doesn't address any of my points.

So it's OK if Pacman said, "Go back and light them M-F'ers up and I'll take care of you"? Conspiracy to committ murder is also a pretty serious charge and I'm sure if that's proven we'll be saying goodbye to Pacman playing in the NFL permanently.

No need to tell me to "SHUT THE **** UP!!", I haven't used any profanity towards you, even though IMO it's probably warranted. I also promise you wouldn't say that to my face.

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[quote=starzzz;451886]I think we both can agree that they both had great lawyers. All I was saying from the start was that Pac,, whether he was a Cowboy or not deserved a second chance.[/quote]


Get this guy off the site, he is full of shit -- no one comes in here and talks shit about ST, who without a doubt would have been voted as greatest safety of all time without the tragedy.

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[QUOTE=heybigstar;451912]Get this guy off the site, he is full of shit -- no one comes in here and talks shit about ST, who without a doubt would have been voted as greatest safety of all time without the tragedy.[/QUOTE]A slim, first of all I have much respect for ST, and I also think if he would have played a full career, he would have been the greatest safety in the history of the league. I didn't disrespect him, it all began with me saying if a second chance was good enough for one man it is good enough for another, in football, basketball, baseball, etc. If it came across like I was disrespectful, or I have offended anybody, I apologize.