Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/03/politics/main4148295.shtml]Obama Clinches Dem Nomination, As Superdelegates Fall In Line, Illinois Sen. Hits Magic Number - CBS News[/url]

History has been made...shame that still today it is historic though.

Good for him though. He's had quite a climb the past few years since being elected Senator of Illinois.

I'm glad we're finally on to the general elections. Should be a great one

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Bout damn time lol. And while it's not necessarily a good thing, at least it finally happened. This looks to be a pretty close election, I still haven't made my decision yet so we'll see.

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[quote=mooby;451241][B]Bout damn time[/B] lol. And while it's not necessarily a good thing, at least it finally happened. This looks to be a pretty close election, I still haven't made my decision yet so we'll see.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

I am afraid that unless Obama puts Clinton as VP, Clinton supporters are going to try their hardest to ruin Obama's campaign.

I wish [I]some[/I] Clinton supporters would get off their high horse and just support the damn nominee. They may have won the battle but they lost the war. They need to go lick their wounds, come back to pick up the pieces and look ahead to the future.

The only way Obama is going to beat McCain is through complete democratic support, otherwise they might as well just hand this election over to McCain.

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John McCain + Supreme Court = nuff said.

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be careful ladies Obama is a wolf in sheep clothing

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Clinton supporters aren't the only ones pissed off. I'm really agitate with the whole Hillary bullish. If their constiituent are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces then I say f*ck'em. I'm all for compromises and niceties but Hillary camp has crossed the line so many times it hard for me to see them in positive light ever again. She isn't entitled to shit, she didn't win more delegates, she's pretty bad with math and last time I checked this country is not a monarchy.

And don't get me started on that fool Bill Clinton. They talk about sexism yet they don't mind using dog whistles and race bating. They don't mind insinuating that Obama is a Muslim and in the process relegating Muslim Americans to 2nd class citizens. They blame the media for all their troubles yet it wasn't too long ago when they chanted "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen." They don't even know when it's over...get the f*ck out and don't let the door hit you on your way out. If Obama is anything like me he would jetteson 100% their supporter has he kicks them off the stage and out the door.

F...Bill and Hillary Clinton. F'em.

Would I vote for Hillary if she was up against McCain, probably seeing how McCain thinks I'm marginaly dumber than a grain of sand.

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[quote=saden1;451282]Clinton supporters aren't the only ones pissed off. I'm really agitate with the whole Hillary bullish. If their constiituent are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces then I say f*ck'em. I'm all for compromises and niceties but Hillary camp has crossed the line so many times it hard for me to see them in positive light ever again. She isn't entitled to shit, she didn't win more delegates, she's pretty bad with math and last time I checked this country is not a monarchy.

And don't get me started on that fool Bill Clinton. They talk about sexism yet they don't mind using dog whistles and race bating. They don't mind insinuating that Obama is a Muslim and in the process relegating Muslim Americans to 2nd class citizens. They blame the media for all their troubles yet it wasn't too long ago when they chanted "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen." They don't even know when it's over...get the f*ck out and don't let the door hit you on your way out. If Obama is anything like me he would jetteson 100% their supporter has he kicks them off the stage and out the door.

F...Bill and Hillary Clinton. F'em.

[B]Would I vote for Hillary if she was up against McCain, probably seeing how McCain thinks I'm marginaly dumber than a grain of sand.[/B][/quote]

Isn't that the mindset that will ultimately bring the Democrats together in November? The party may have been divided between Hillary and Obama, but they'll be united by their opposition to a common opponent. If your (the proverbial your) candidate (Hillary) didn't get nominated, then you've already been reduced to choosing between a lesser of two evils.

Surely any sane democrat, as stauchly as they may have supported Hillary, will realize that Obama is easily the lesser of two evils in a race with McCain.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;451310]Isn't that the mindset that will ultimately bring the Democrats together in November? The party may have been divided between Hillary and Obama, but they'll be united by their opposition to a common opponent. If your (the proverbial your) candidate (Hillary) didn't get nominated, then you've already been reduced to choosing between a lesser of two evils.

Surely any sane democrat, as stauchly as they may have supported Hillary, will realize that Obama is easily the lesser of two evils in a race with McCain.[/QUOTE]

You're taking a big step assuming anyone in America is "sane." Some of the things I've seen in exit polls from Hillary supporters is absolutely disgusting. The fact that she has some people actually believing Obama can't be voted for because he's a Muslim who can't be trusted disgusts me.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;451322]You're taking a big step assuming anyone in America is "sane." Some of the things I've seen in exit polls from Hillary supporters is absolutely disgusting. [B]The fact that she has some people actually believing Obama can't be voted for because he's a Muslim who can't be trusted disgusts me[/B].[/QUOTE]

Is that really her doing, or ignorance on the part of Americans....or 70Chip's doing?

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If the bush admin has taught us anything, its that ignorant unfounded fear campaigns are a very effective tool when influencing the american public. I know a few people who are convinced he's the antichrist and here to end the world. I always argue that if its true they shouldn't vote for mccain because obama is going to get elected anyway. Who do they think they are to try to stop the apocolypse. Don't throw your vote away...

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I think we will find out more about Obama and his very liberal left leaning and McCain wins. I'm not a McCain fan but I'm not going to vote for a stunch liberal which will raise my taxes even more.

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As long as anyone who votes for McCain is willing to explain to parents of dead American soldiers why they support a guy who extends the war in Iraq for no tangible reason and will accept the responsibility for the blood on their hands. In essence, if you vote for McCain, and ONE more soldier dies, you have blood on your hands. Sleep tight.

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[quote=SmootSmack;451324]Is that really her doing, or ignorance on the part of Americans....or 70Chip's doing?[/quote]

Classic

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[quote=firstdown;451334]I think we will find out more about Obama and his very liberal left leaning and McCain wins. I'm not a McCain fan but I'm not going to vote for a stunch liberal which will raise my taxes even more.[/quote]

[quote=dblanch66;451358]As long as anyone who votes for McCain is willing to explain to parents of dead American soldiers why they support a guy who extends the war in Iraq for no tangible reason and will accept the responsibility for the blood on their hands. In essence, if you vote for McCain, and ONE more soldier dies, you have blood on your hands. Sleep tight.[/quote]

"Beware the Terrible Simplifiers"

Personally, I've had enough demagoguery, no matter which side deploys it.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;451364]"Beware the Terrible Simplifiers"[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have put it better myself

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[quote=Schneed10;451310]Isn't that the mindset that will ultimately bring the Democrats together in November? The party may have been divided between Hillary and Obama, but they'll be united by their opposition to a common opponent. If your (the proverbial your) candidate (Hillary) didn't get nominated, then you've already been reduced to choosing between a lesser of two evils.
[B]
Surely any sane democrat, as stauchly as they may have supported Hillary, will realize that Obama is easily the lesser of two evils in a race with McCain.[/B][/quote]

You'd hope. But isn't it funny how a large portion of polled Hillary supporters said they would either vote for McCain or not vote at all if Obama got the nomination? They emulate their candidate. Vindictive to a fault.

I'm so happy she's done. Saden's rant about the Clinton's couldn't be more dead on. I CAN'T STAND them. Just the sight of Hillary's fake smile makes me ill. Their hypocritical smear tactics, dirty politicking and divisive campaign are finally over with. And even if she gets picked as the VP, I'm sure Obama's camp will put a lid on most of her shit.

Speaking of Obama's camp, their was a great article in Newsweek a few weeks ago about how he's running his campaign and his advisors. It was called [I]The O Team. [url=http://www.newsweek.com/id/136440]Sit Back, Relax, Get Ready to Rumble | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com[/url][/I]

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;451364]Personally, I've had enough demagoguery, no matter which side deploys it.[/QUOTE]
Here here.

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[quote=GMScud;451369][B]You'd hope. But isn't it funny how a large portion of polled Hillary supporters said they would either vote for McCain or not vote at all if Obama got the nomination? They emulate their candidate. Vindictive to a fault.[/B]

I'm so happy she's done. Saden's rant about the Clinton's couldn't be more dead on. I CAN'T STAND them. Just the sight of Hillary's fake smile makes me ill. Their hypocritical smear tactics, dirty politicking and divisive campaign are finally over with. And even if she gets picked as the VP, I'm sure Obama's camp will put a lid on most of her shit.

Speaking of Obama's camp, their was a great article in Newsweek a few weeks ago about how he's running his campaign and his advisors. It was called [I]The O Team. [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/id/136440"]Sit Back, Relax, Get Ready to Rumble | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com[/URL][/I][/quote]

People will always say anything when they are "bitter". Seriously though I agree with Schneed; the Dems will come to their senses and unite.

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[quote=GMScud;451369][B]You'd hope. But isn't it funny how a large portion of polled Hillary supporters said they would either vote for McCain or not vote at all if Obama got the nomination? They emulate their candidate. Vindictive to a fault.[/B]

I'm so happy she's done. Saden's rant about the Clinton's couldn't be more dead on. I CAN'T STAND them. Just the sight of Hillary's fake smile makes me ill. Their hypocritical smear tactics, dirty politicking and divisive campaign are finally over with. And even if she gets picked as the VP, I'm sure Obama's camp will put a lid on most of her shit.

Speaking of Obama's camp, their was a great article in Newsweek a few weeks ago about how he's running his campaign and his advisors. It was called [I]The O Team. [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/id/136440"]Sit Back, Relax, Get Ready to Rumble | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com[/URL][/I][/quote]

I never understood that logic at all. Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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I've got to be honest, i'm a little wary of the Obama movement. I'm not committed either way, feel like I'm pretty open minded but I've got to admit that I'm not very optimistic about either candidate. They each have their pros and cons but in the end, the person in the oval office is only a fraction of the overriding problem: The legislative and executive branches are filled with corruption.

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[quote=dblanch66;451358]As long as anyone who votes for McCain is willing to explain to parents of dead American soldiers why they support a guy who extends the war in Iraq for no tangible reason and will accept the responsibility for the blood on their hands. In essence, if you vote for McCain, and ONE more soldier dies, you have blood on your hands. Sleep tight.[/quote]
If anyone knows the affects of war its McCain. We are there and most Dems & Reps agree that we have to finish the job before just pulling out. If you want to talk about a possable blood bath just look back to Cambodia and what happened we pulled out of there. I guess you also feel that a vote for McCain is a vote against starving children, poor people, more polution, for global warming etc...

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;451362]Classic

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Ha! I remember seeing that. Remarkable. The right to vote should be like the right to drive. You should pass some sort of test to show you're not oblivious before you earn the right to vote.

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[quote=SmootSmack;451392]Ha! I remember seeing that. Remarkable. The right to vote should be like the right to drive. You should pass some sort of test to show you're not oblivious before you earn the right to vote.[/quote]

I have thought that myself at times (especially after seeing something like that clip), but then I remind myself that qualifications for voting have always operated to disenfranchise the least powerful in society. That is, those for whom the franchise is especially important.

[URL="http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5352/"]Reading the Fine Print: The Grandfather Clause in Louisiana[/URL]

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;451364]"Beware the Terrible Simplifiers"

Personally, I've had enough demagoguery, no matter which side deploys it.[/QUOTE]

Thank you sir.

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[quote=dblanch66;451358]As long as anyone who votes for McCain is willing to explain to parents of dead American soldiers why they support a guy who extends the war in Iraq for no tangible reason and will accept the responsibility for the blood on their hands. In essence, if you vote for McCain, and ONE more soldier dies, you have blood on your hands. Sleep tight.[/quote]
I've got no problem to make the case for staying in Iraq until the country is stabilized as a democracy. If we leave too early it will either turn into an Iranian puppet state, or be a bigger problem than Afghanistan after the Soviets were defeated. If you know your history, we didn't make the necessary investments to educate and rebuild Afghanistan and bring it into the 20th century, hence the Taliban, Bin Laden and 911.

There were plenty of Democrats who supported going into Iraq in the first place. You should also read the 911 Report. Not only were human rights violations rampant, but Saddam had enough Sarin to kill over 500K people. Probably wouldn't want that released by a terrorist in the NY or DC subway system at rush hour. He had connections with terrorist groups to include the Taliban. He was also working to rebuild his nuclear program as soon as he could get around the UN sanctions. Oh, almost forgot the sanctions and countless UN Resolutions that were violated. Also the 30+ countires that went into Iraq with us.

And isn't it terrorists, primarily funded by Iran and other state-sponsors of terrorism, that are killing U.S. soldiers and Iraqi citizens? Shouldn't we be focusing our anger on them and not the Bush Administration?

We also have an all-volunteer military, no one is forced to enlist.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;451425]I've got no problem to make the case for staying in Iraq until the country is stabilized as a democracy. If we leave too early it will either turn into an Iranian puppet state, or be a bigger problem than Afghanistan after the Soviets were defeated. If you know your history, we didn't make the necessary investments to educate and rebuild Afghanistan and bring it into the 20th century, hence the Taliban, Bin Laden and 911.

There were plenty of Democrats who supported going into Iraq in the first place. [B]You should also read the 911 Report[/B]. Not only were human rights violations rampant, but Saddam had enough Sarin to kill over 500K people. Probably wouldn't want that released by a terrorist in the NY or DC subway system at rush hour. He had connections with terrorist groups to include the Taliban. He was also working to rebuild his nuclear program as soon as he could get around the UN sanctions. Oh, almost forgot the sanctions and countless UN Resolutions that were violated. Also the 30+ countires that went into Iraq with us.

And isn't it terrorists, primarily funded by Iran and other state-sponsors of terrorism, that are killing U.S. soldiers and Iraqi citizens? Shouldn't we be focusing our anger on them and not the Bush Administration?

We also have an all-volunteer military, no one is forced to enlist.[/quote]

You can't be serious. Are you claiming you [B]actually read[/B] [URL="http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm"]9-11 Commission Report[/URL]?

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[QUOTE=saden1;451442]You can't be serious. Are you claiming you [B]actually read[/B] [URL="http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm"]9-11 Commission Report[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

Who hasn't. A little light reading never hurt anyone.

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[quote=saden1;451442]You can't be serious. Are you claiming you [B]actually read[/B] [URL="http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm"]9-11 Commission Report[/URL]?[/quote]

Not cover to cover, but I do own it and have read several parts of it. As FRPLG said, " a little light reading never hurt anyone." That's what the off-season is for...and posting in the Parking Lot. LOL

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[QUOTE=saden1;451442]You can't be serious. Are you claiming you [B]actually read[/B] [URL="http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm"]9-11 Commission Report[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

I did. When it first came out. Had to for work.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;451449]I did. When it first came out. Had to for work.[/QUOTE]

Why? That sounds like a kick ass job.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;451451]Why? That sounds like a kick ass job.[/QUOTE]

News and sports producing for a local network affiliate in DC.

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I read the whole report too.

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[quote=saden1;451442]You can't be serious. Are you claiming you [B]actually read[/B] [URL="http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm"]9-11 Commission Report[/URL]?[/quote]
So what parts are you saying are not true.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;451324][B]Is that really her doing, or ignorance on the part of Americans[/B]....or 70Chip's doing?[/QUOTE]

I'd say it's a little from column A and a little from column B. While I don't know that she ever came out and said it, she definitely implied it more than a few times. Especially when they made an issue out of Obama going to school in Indonesia.

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It was great seeing Obama's speech a few days ago! I'm ready for change! Heck, after the dumbest President in the history of America steps aside................any change will be change for the better!

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[quote=Miller101;451527]It was great seeing Obama's speech a few days ago! I'm ready for change! Heck, after the dumbest President in the history of America steps aside................any change will be change for the better![/quote]
And what are these changes?

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anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want

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[quote=dmek25;451545]anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want[/quote]
So we really don't know what this real change is do we.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;451545]anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want[/QUOTE]

What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.

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[quote=SmootSmack;451549]What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.[/quote]
Thats all they know about him.