Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas
 

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Gotta hope for the best after everything we went through. I just saw this on ESPN, I know this is kind of a so/so link, but since its on ESPN its pretty legit.

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I was just about to post this. Sounds like he is in better condition now. Still, orbital fracture can't be good

Hope he's ok. But ordering champagne until 6:30 in the morning...damn! I heard he dropped over $25k on champagne. I wish I could do that

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That's terrible that that happened. Still, with the recent raft of high profile athlete robberies I think these guys need to start taking their security a little more seriously. More specifically, if you are going to spray a nightclub crowd with Dom P don't be on a street by yourself later.

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[quote=SmootSmack;453081]I was just about to post this. Sounds like he is in better condition now. Still, orbital fracture can't be good

Hope he's ok. But ordering champagne until 6:30 in the morning...damn! I heard he dropped over $25k on champagne. I wish I could do that[/quote]

After witnessing the Darrent Williams murder first hand you'd think maybe he'd be a little more careful while 'clubbing' til all hours ... or at least use a couple grand to hire some body guards.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;453081]I was just about to post this. Sounds like he is in better condition now. Still, orbital fracture can't be good[/QUOTE] A guy on my high school wrestling team fractured his orbital during practice once. The side of his face swelled up and turned this strange green color, making him look like a zombie or something. You could tell right away that it was serious. It was not a pretty sight.
Then again, if I remember correctly the guy's bone was basically pushing on the back of his eyeball, so that might have been a 'worst case scenerio,' but still.

Hopefully he recovers quickly.

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when are pro athletes realize they are not invincible? hard to feel bad for guys that seem to put themselves in these situations

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dmek, you say that as if Walker deserved this.

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i don't mean that. but because of the money, and higher public image they have, they definitely become more of a target (then me or you). and when is the last time you were partying at 6:00 in the morning? its all about using good judgement

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I was just about to ask you "how do you know he wasn't just a random target on the sidewalk?"

Then I read the article and saw he was spraying crowds in Vegas with champagne in the middle of the night. Yeah, that's a Pacman type of behavior. I'll have to agree with you on this one.

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I think professional athletes need to revert back to the ol military's buddy system. Would have at least given him a fighting chance.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;453124]i don't mean that. but because of the money, and higher public image they have, they definitely become more of a target (then me or you). and [B]when is the last time you were partying at 6:00 in the morning?[/B] its all about using good judgement[/QUOTE]

Last Thurday

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The real question is how did this happen on what is considered a very busy street in Las Vegas, during rush hour, with no witnesses coming forward.

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Rush hour? It sounds like this happened early in the morning. And it happened off the strip so who knows how busy the street really was.

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[quote=dmek25;453117]when are pro athletes realize they are not invincible? hard to feel bad for guys that seem to put themselves in these situations[/quote]

exact same thing happened to me. robbed, left unconscious with an orbital tri-pod fracture of my eye. $20,000 dollars to put 2 screws and plates in my eye socket and a plastic band to keep the eye ball from drooping.

weird thing is after 7 years no problem until last week when a screw came loose now i gotta have surgery to have all the metal removed.

yeah i deserved it, anyone who goes out after dark to have a good time deserves to wake up in the hospital. (*sarcasm)

go skins!

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Matty: From what a Las Vegas writer said on NFL radio the street, at that time of morning, is typically very busy. It's one of the big arteries in Las Vegas. And considering he was in a club till 6am -- that kinda says he'd be around during the morning rush hour.

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[quote=jdlea;453139]Last Thurday[/quote]


Yeah but you're from Baltimore, we expect that type of behavior. ;)

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[QUOTE=Buster;453197]Yeah but you're from Baltimore, we expect that type of behavior. ;)[/QUOTE]

I'm not [B]from [/B]Baltimore, I live in Baltimore

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[QUOTE=dmek25;453124]i don't mean that. but because of the money, and higher public image they have, they definitely become more of a target (then me or you). and when is the last time you were [B]partying at 6:00 in the morning?[/B] its all about using good judgement[/QUOTE]

Well as a recent college grad who is now enjoying summer, there have been many a nights when my frolicking has lasted into the wee hours of the morning.

I agree that it is about good judgement, and that stature has made these athletes constant targets, but you have to remember that these are young guys who go out, wanting to have a good time. Prior to having lots of money, this is probably the type of life they were living. Vet or rookie, famous or not, most people want to have a good time. If he chooses to spray the crowd with Dom P, and make it rain with $100 bills to have a good time, then just so long as he isn't hurting anyone, or breaking team rules, so be it. It doesn't mean that this guy should be targeted, robbed and assaulted (I know that isn't what you're implying).

You make these comments now, but just a little while ago when Sean Taylor was ruthlessly murdered, several people in and out of the media said that he had it coming for returning to Fla. and his past encounters, etc. Darrent Williams shouldn't have been targeted either, its just people with envy and jealousy targeting these guys. That shouldn't stop them from having a good time.

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;453123]dmek, you say that as if Walker deserved this.[/quote]

He didn't deserve it at all. But he's got to use more common sense. If one of my friends got shot in the neck and died in my arms I probably would never ever go to a nightclub ever again. But that's just me. Apparently the dude is buying 15k worth of champaign and spraying the crowd with it???? I mean why is he doing this? Why is he acting like this?? You know someone got pissed and someone ran up on him and beat the shit out of him. Would you see Jason Campbell, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Tomlinson doing this? No. Again he didn't deserve this. But if you put yourself in this type of position, spraying people with champaign, then you're only asking for it. I hope he's OK.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;453176]exact same thing happened to me. robbed, left unconscious with an orbital tri-pod fracture of my eye. $20,000 dollars to put 2 screws and plates in my eye socket and a plastic band to keep the eye ball from drooping.

weird thing is after 7 years no problem until last week when a screw came loose now i gotta have surgery to have all the metal removed.

yeah i deserved it, anyone who goes out after dark to have a good time deserves to wake up in the hospital. (*sarcasm)

go skins![/QUOTE]

Nice take OTM. You are absolutely right that, in spite of the fact that Walker didn't act prudently, it is horrendous that our country has descended to the state that we blame victims of violent crime for not being more careful. As somone who moved from Baltimore to one of the safest countries in the world I can tell you that it's a wonderful feeling to be able to stay out late without any fear of anyone doing wrong to you.

Are you familiar with Zach Sowers? He was a friend of mine, recently married, who was beaten into a coma. He passed away this year. His crime was walking home alone from a bar in Baltimore.

I don't claim to have any solutions, but I do think we have to take pause when we all start blithely accepting violence as a regular fact of American life.

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This clearly isn't an act of random violence, he was a target. No matter what happened that evening, he certainly didn't deserve or ask for this result. I hope they catch the perps. Update on ESPN:

Walker remains hospitalized Tuesday after robbery, beating

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Updated: June 17, 2008, 9:01 PM ET

Javon Walker Hospitalized After Apparent Robbery

LAS VEGAS -- Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker remained hospitalized with a concussion and a battered face Tuesday, one day after he was beaten, robbed and left unconscious on a Las Vegas street after a night of partying.

Police said a large amount of cash and some jewelry were taken from Walker, who suffered "a moderate concussion and significant injuries to his face."

Police Lt. Clinton Nichols said detectives are retracing Walker's activities in the hours before he was found injured Monday morning on a street off the Las Vegas Strip.

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"We don't believe this is a random act," Nichols told the San Francisco Chronicle, adding that police believe Walker was alone at the time of the attack. "They knew who he was and [Walker] presented a target.

"We did get a surveillance [video] of a vehicle and suspects that may have been involved. We know there were suspects, possibly two [but] we haven't identified anyone yet."

According to the Chronicle, Walker told police he had about $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry stolen. The jewelry included a watch, a necklace and earrings.

According to reports published Tuesday in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Walker visited a nightclub, Tryst, at the Wynn Las Vegas resort on Saturday night. He spent Sunday night at another club, Body English at the Hard Rock hotel-casino, before leaving about 3:30 a.m. Monday, according to casino spokeswoman Dorian Cantrell.

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Cantrell said there were no reports of a disturbance at the club.

Nichols said detectives spoke briefly with Walker on Monday and planned a second interview Tuesday evening at Sunrise Hospital and Medical Center.

A Raiders spokesman said the team was in the process of gathering information and had no further comment.

On Monday, police officer Bill Cassell said in a statement that Walker was taken to a hospital with "significant injuries" and was in fair condition.

Walker, 29, signed a six-year, $55 million deal with the Raiders after being released by the Denver Broncos in February.

Walker injured his right knee for the second time in his career last season and was limited to eight games and 26 catches in 2007.

Walker sought a fresh start after Broncos teammate Darrent Williams died in his arms in the back of a limousine on Jan. 1, 2006 in downtown Denver.

In a 2007 "Real Sports" interview, Walker said then teammate Brandon Marshall and his cousin exchanged heated words with two men who later confronted Williams and his group after taking offense when Marshall sprayed them with champagne.

The drive-by shooting remains unsolved.

Walker was a first-round draft pick by the Green Bay Packers in 2001 and had a breakout season in 2004 with 89 catches for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns.

He tore a ligament in his right knee the next season and played only one game.

He was traded to Denver in 2006 and bounced back with 69 catches for 1,084 yards and eight touchdowns.

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well, wearing 100,000$ in jewelery isn't very smart. not saying he deserved it though.

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I was just in vegas last week, and at no time does that place slow down. there are always crowds of people no matter what time. I was out every night unitl 4 or 5 and one night until 7 in the morning. The streets are always crowded with people. there is more to this story, and we may not find out.

Athletes have to understand this. They are targets because of the money they have. They are stupid to walk around with $100k of jewelry wrapped around them, and walk around alone. He was only carrying $3k in cash, that isn't a ton of money to carry in vegas, but you could get robbed for $100 bucks. I still want to know where he was when he was found. My guess is that he was in one of the shady parts at a strip club (imagine that!) and got jumped. I dont know of any clubs on the strip that would allow someone to shower the place with Dom.

Basically, these guys have to be smarter than what they are acting.

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3450391"]Walker Out of Hospital[/URL]

Looks like he was released

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Bottomline is that Javon is well within his right to go partying until 6AM and act like an idiot spraying champagne wearing $100K in bling and not change his behavior based on what happened recently to his friend.........and I am well within my right to not feel one bit sorry for what happened to him.

I'm not saying he had it coming at all. But there's a reason normal people don't fan $100 bills while riding on the Metro... if you do, you're going to get jumped.

Javon's story this morning is that he was in his hotel room (probably knitting a sweater and answering fan mail) when he got jumped, robbed and then the robbers dumped his body outside in the alley. Yeah...uh huh. No video coverage in Vegas of this? Right....

My spider sense tells me this is not a random act. It also tells me it could have been avoided.

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So the latest rumor is Javon Walker and Floyd Mayweather got into a Champaign spraying contest in Vegas. Things got of hand, and Walker got rolled by some of his boys. Story has it Mayweather himself didn't
re-arrange Walker's face but some of his flunkies may have.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;453389]Bottomline is that Javon is well within his right to go partying until 6AM and act like an idiot spraying champagne wearing $100K in bling and not change his behavior based on what happened recently to his friend.........and I am well within my right to not feel one bit sorry for what happened to him.

I'm not saying he had it coming at all. But there's a reason normal people don't fan $100 bills while riding on the Metro... if you do, you're going to get jumped.

Javon's story this morning is that he was in his hotel room (probably knitting a sweater and answering fan mail) when he got jumped, robbed and then the robbers dumped his body outside in the alley. Yeah...uh huh. No video coverage in Vegas of this? Right....

My spider sense tells me this is not a random act. It also tells me it could have been avoided.[/quote]

Great post. I was going to go on a rant myself, but you said it perfectly. I couldn't agree more. And it's not like he's some newly rich rookie. He's pushing 30, and after witnessing Darrent Williams' death, I'm stunned he'd put himself in that situation. Apparently having an IQ over 75 isn't a requirement in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;453389]Bottomline is that Javon is well within his right to go partying until 6AM and act like an idiot spraying champagne wearing $100K in bling and not change his behavior based on what happened recently to his friend.........and I am well within my right to not feel one bit sorry for what happened to him.

I'm not saying he had it coming at all. [B]But there's a reason normal people don't fan $100 bills while riding on the Metro[/B]... if you do, you're going to get jumped.

Javon's story this morning is that he was in his hotel room (probably knitting a sweater and answering fan mail) when he got jumped, robbed and then the robbers dumped his body outside in the alley. Yeah...uh huh. No video coverage in Vegas of this? Right....

My spider sense tells me this is not a random act. It also tells me it could have been avoided.[/QUOTE]


Its because normal people don't have $100 dollar bills to throw away.

Look, I believe everyone is entitled to a good time as long as it doesn't break any laws, or hurts anyone. The guy went to Vegas. Not to sit on his ass in a hotel room and watch TV, but to go out and have fun. If this is his way of doing so, then so be it.

You are allowed to go out to clubs and do as you please without anyone harassing you because you aren't a target, a guy like him is. Does that take away from his right to spend money as he wishes and spray the crowd with Dom P? No.

Finally, I went to school in DC where shootings occurred at clubs on more than one occasion. Did that stop me from going out? No.

I think y'all are being to hard on the guy. Athletes go out to clubs and bars all the time, and incidents don't occur. J. Walk was unlucky, and I think its unecessary for you guys to say that these guys should stay home or stay away from dangerous places (where isn't dangerous nowadays?) so stuff like this won't happen

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Here's a clip.

[url=http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=114963]Breitbart.tv » Pictures Show NFL Star Spraying Vegas Crowd With Champagne Prior to Assault[/url]

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I don't think anyone is being hard on the guy. Times have changed. People are greedy.

Lesson 1: When going out don't take a lot of money.

Lesson 2: There is a reason people don't go out in swim suits. People don't like to get wet or ruin a nice out fit with Champaign.

Lesson 3: Don't go out alone and don't piss off your designated friend.

Lesson 4: If...If you have to take a large sum of money...don't flash it. It tells everyone your loaded and raises your chances of getting jumped.

Lesson 5: Always keep an eye on your back (and your friends)

Lesson 6: Don't wear expensive jewlery. (this should be #1 or #2)


Now if Mayweather was supposed to have his back and then allowed his posse to jump him would be kinda "Itty-Shay".

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This is what happens when you act like an asshole and throw money around like a fool at a club! What a Jerkoff! Is this surprising at all to anyone? I hope this bum is broke after football...

You wish you could act like this??? Dude, you deserve an ass beating too!



[quote=SmootSmack;453081]I was just about to post this. Sounds like he is in better condition now. Still, orbital fracture can't be good

Hope he's ok. But ordering champagne until 6:30 in the morning...damn! I heard he dropped over $25k on champagne. I wish I could do that[/quote]

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[QUOTE=He Hate Me;453464]This is what happens when you act like an asshole and throw money around like a fool at a club! What a Jerkoff! Is this surprising at all to anyone? I hope this bum is broke after football...

You wish you could act like this??? [B]Dude, you deserve an ass beating too[/B]![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=He Hate Me;453464]This is what happens when you act like an asshole and throw money around like a fool at a club! What a Jerkoff! Is this surprising at all to anyone? I hope this bum is broke after football...

You wish you could act like this??? Dude, you deserve an ass beating too![/QUOTE]

Um...ok? I meant I wish I had an extra $25k lying around that I could drop on bottles of champagne...

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;453431]Its because normal people don't have $100 dollar bills to throw away.

Look, I believe everyone is entitled to a good time as long as it doesn't break any laws, or hurts anyone. The guy went to Vegas. Not to sit on his ass in a hotel room and watch TV, but to go out and have fun. If this is his way of doing so, then so be it.

You are allowed to go out to clubs and do as you please without anyone harassing you because you aren't a target, a guy like him is. Does that take away from his right to spend money as he wishes and spray the crowd with Dom P? No.

Finally, I went to school in DC where shootings occurred at clubs on more than one occasion. Did that stop me from going out? No.

I think y'all are being to hard on the guy. Athletes go out to clubs and bars all the time, and incidents don't occur. J. Walk was unlucky, and I think its unecessary for you guys to say that these guys should stay home or stay away from dangerous places (where isn't dangerous nowadays?) so stuff like this won't happen[/quote]

Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;453515]Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.[/QUOTE]

I think that's missing the point of this debate, though. Some people are acting as if Walker deserved this or brought it on himself. That's the debate.

To answer your question: No way in hell. I would be pretty pissed if I was the Raiders, but (as a fan) I still feel sorry for the guy and don't think he deserved it. Also, I don't know that I would have spent that kind of money on him in the first place...

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;453515]Let me ask you this. If you owned an NFL team would you invest 27- 30 mil. over 3 years on Javon Walker? I'm not saying you have to stay home. But I'm not investing in a guy that can't stay away from the nightclub scene.[/QUOTE]


If I was an NFL owner, I wouldn't value J Walk at as much as the Raiders paid him. It has nothing to do with this incident, but rather the guy's production. Reports are saying that he should be good for the start of training camp, so no hurt, no foul to the Raiders. Walker is still the victim

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It's somewhat scary that some people believe that stupidity should be punished by a severe beatdown. That is kind of like saying people who don't use their seatbelts deserve to be ejected from their vehicles. Javon may have used poor judgment, but that doesn't mean he [U]deserved[/U] to have his face smashed.

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I went to the link that was posted of the video of him squirting people down and I liked this story.

Laxative-Laced Cake Makes For Bad Senior Prank

They baked a cake for the teachers and put laxative in with the mix. The sad part is now they face criminal charges. Can't the school just scare the kids about not graduating or not letting them perticipate in their graduation instead of calling the cops.

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I think its a humanity issue. People become critics on certain issues once they aren't involved. So statements like, I don't feel sorry for him are used because they believe that athletes should use the example of one person in one incident to manipulate the way they run their lives.

Athletes are just like us, except they have a little bit more money. Don't hold them to a standard that you yourself don't uphold.

Example, how many car accidents have occurred on highways. Using y'alls logic, smart people shouldn't drive on highways, because people die there all the time.

Give the guy a break

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;453530]I think its a humanity issue. People become critics on certain issues once they aren't involved. So statements like, I don't feel sorry for him are used because they believe that athletes should use the example of one person in one incident to manipulate the way they run their lives.

Athletes are just like us, except they have a little bit more money. Don't hold them to a standard that you yourself don't uphold.

Example, how many car accidents have occurred on highways. Using y'alls logic, smart people shouldn't drive on highways, because people die there all the time.

Give the guy a break[/quote]

Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.