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Forward Antawn Jamison was kept off the free-agent market with a four-year extension worth $50 million. The deal comes before Jamison was to become an unrestricted free agent.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3467806]ESPN - Wizards hang on to Jamison with 4-year, $50 million extension - NBA[/url]

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I friggin hope so. The reason Arenas wanted to leave is because Jamison wasnt going to be around. If Arenas doesn't come back it is going to be another decade of me not following basketball.

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[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/07/arenas_pondering_offers_will_t.html]Arenas pondering offers, will talk to Abe Pollin - Wizards Insider[/url]

The Wizards offered Arenas a maximum level contract, one that would pay the three-time all-star around $124 million over six years. According to my sources, the offer came shortly after the Golden State Warriors aggressively jumped out and offered Arenas a five-year deal worth just over $100.

Looks like the Warriors really want Gil maybe that means they will let Baron Davis go.

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Davis has already declared himself a free agent. He's not likely to come back to Golden State

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Holy crap...what have these guys done to deserve the money?
Good luck finding other important players when you are overpaying for Jamison and especially Arenas.

I think it's good for the Wizards to get these players back, but for the money I certainly would not pay Arenas what he is rumored to get. No way, no how. He is likely the most overrated player in the DC area. (the rest of the country doesn't think as highly of him as the DC area does).

ps- keep in mind, I am not saying Arenas is a piece of poo, just saying he's not worth it. He's a good player that should be laughing all the way to the bank.

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An Arenas for Davis "swap" is possible I suppose. I love Arenas but wouldn't be terribly upset if he took $100 million elsewhere. On a separate but related note, what did everyone think of the Wizards' draft? I thought it was awful. I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish by adding yet another raw big man.

As for the money, don't hate the players hate the market

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;454722]On a separate but related note, what did everyone think of the Wizards' draft? I thought it was awful. I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish by adding yet another raw big man.[/QUOTE]I agree, it was very dissappointing. One of the ESPN.com writers, Chad Ford I believe, said that McGee reminded him of Andre Blatche and he certainly didn't mean it as a compliment. For both guys, all the potential is there but they still seem so far away. I mean, I do think we need more productive big men, but we need them for defense and rebounding. Hopefully McGee can use his 7'6" reach to block a ton of shots, but I have

I would have been much happier with Hickson or Arthur, but I still really wish that either Lopez or Hibbert fell to us.

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Well apparently they wanted Hibbert and of course they didn't get him. I don't even know if I would have liked that move. Love Hibbert but the Wizards have Haywood and Etan, not to mention Blatche, Pecherove, and that other Russian guy. What the wizards need, regardless of whether they sign Agent Zero, is a young point guard that can run the offense without needing to take 20+ shots. Antonio Daniels is very solid, but they need to get younger there.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;454722]An Arenas for Davis "swap" is possible I suppose. I love Arenas but wouldn't be terribly upset if he took $100 million elsewhere. On a separate but related note, what did everyone think of the Wizards' draft? I thought it was awful. I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish by adding yet another raw big man.

As for the money, don't hate the players hate the market[/QUOTE]

What people aren't understanding that the two players you are signing (Jamison and Arenas) can't shoot for crap! Jamison (who, correct me if I am wrong is a PF) has one of the worst PF fg% in all the league at .436% last year. But he is a versitale "big man", so I understand signing him. Arenas on the other hand played in only 13 games (started only 8), and had a .398 fg%, and his career fg% is only .427%. This is a classic case of looking at only his points per game average the last two years and going nutts. You say it's the market, well, if that's the case, the market is pretty damned stupid. He's not worth it, and if the Wizards were smart, they would let him go and sign someone for A LOT less. You could get Davis cheaper, and he's a lot less selfish and creates more opportunities for his teammates. He has a similar fg%, but he's better from 3, and a much better defender.

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Oh yeah, and if you're going to keep both those guys who can't hit the ocean if they were standing in the middle of it, then at least go sign some players that specialize in offensive rebounds.
Great offense is only great if they are effecient.

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too much haterade...

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[QUOTE=That Guy;454742]too much haterade...[/QUOTE]

LOL.
Well, to me, I look at your team as one that is almost there. You have had 41-45 wins in EACH of the past 4 seasons, but what are you doing to take it to the next level?
You are about to enter into some serious salary cap issues that you won't be able to get rid of.
The Celtics had this problem for years too, and up until this season overspent for people that couldn't help them. If you go down this road with Arenas, you need to be CERTAIN he can lead you to the promised land. You live and die by him.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454747]LOL.
Well, to me, I look at your team as one that is almost there. You have had 41-45 wins in EACH of the past 4 seasons, but what are you doing to take it to the next level?[/QUOTE]You're right. I wish another GM would trade us a former MVP for pennies on the dollar, but that never happens. Oh, wait...

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454738]What people aren't understanding that the two players you are signing (Jamison and Arenas) can't shoot for crap! Jamison (who, correct me if I am wrong is a PF) has one of the worst PF fg% in all the league at .436% last year. But he is a versitale "big man", so I understand signing him. Arenas on the other hand played in only 13 games (started only 8), and had a .398 fg%, and his career fg% is only .427%. This is a classic case of looking at only his points per game average the last two years and going nutts. You say it's the market, well, if that's the case, the market is pretty damned stupid. He's not worth it, and if the Wizards were smart, they would let him go and sign someone for A LOT less. You could get Davis cheaper, and he's a lot less selfish and creates more opportunities for his teammates. He has a similar fg%, but he's better from 3, and a much better defender.[/QUOTE]

Arenas is also three years younger (if not more) than Davis, and since when is Davis the better 3 point shooter?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;454749]Arenas is also three years younger (if not more) than Davis, and since when is Davis the better 3 point shooter?[/QUOTE]

Arenas will be 27 in January, at that same time, Davis will be 29. About a 2.5 year difference in age.
About the 3 point shooting, you are right. Arenas just had a worse year albeit an injury shortened season.

So are you saying Davis is too old? I think their ages are non factors.

ps- if Davis wants 100+ mil over 6 years, I think that's too much for him too. The whole point of my conversation here is to say that Arenas is wanting too much, even for the market. You already have a poor shooter on your team (jamison), well actually two, (stevenson .386%), you can't afford to have your two best players BOTH suck from the field, and worse 3 out of 4 suck from the field.

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[quote=jsarno;454740]Oh yeah, and if you're going to keep both those guys who can't hit the ocean if they were standing in the middle of it, then at least go sign some players that specialize in offensive rebounds.
Great offense is only great if they are effecient.[/quote]

Arenas can't shoot? Huh?? He's a threat to hit a game winner on any given night, and Jamison is aging like a fine wine, coming off his best season as a pro. Only Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard had more double-doubles last season than Antawn. Oh, and we definitely didn't overpay for Jamison. He's making $4M+ less than last year, and the 76ers, Grizzlies, and Clippers were interested in his services and all have a lot of money to spend.

You can't judge Gilbert by last year- he barely played and when he did he wasn't even close to healthy. In the '05-06 and '06-'07 seasons he was top 3 or 4 in scoring an emerged as one of the elite players in the game, including clutch outside shooting and as quick a first step as anyone in the game. I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade.

ESPN is reporting both Golden State and the Wiz have offered Gilbert a max value contract....

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[QUOTE=GMScud;454765][b]Arenas can't shoot? Huh??[/b] He's a threat to hit a game winner on any given night, and Jamison is aging like a fine wine, coming off his best season as a pro. Only Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard had more double-doubles last season than Antawn. Oh, and we definitely didn't overpay for Jamison. He's making $4M+ less than last year, and the 76ers, Grizzlies, and Clippers were interested in his services and all have a lot of money to spend.

You can't judge Gilbert by last year- he barely played and when he did he wasn't even close to healthy. In the '05-06 and '06-'07 seasons he was top 3 or 4 in scoring an emerged as one of the elite players in the game, including clutch outside shooting and as quick a first step as anyone in the game. I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade.

ESPN is reporting both Golden State and the Wiz have offered Gilbert a max value contract....[/QUOTE]

You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting. Especially considering he isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates with only 6 assists per game (career average only 5.5).

About Jamison, go back and read my posts, I said I understand signing Jamison for his versaility, but you can't have multiple poor shooters as your best two players. ANY player in the NBA can score 28 ppg if you allow them to shoot enough. Antoine Walker is a prime example. He never saw a shot he didn't like, and he hurt the C's for many years, but people, like yourself, saw the PPG and thought he was good. He wasn't. You will handcuff yourself with these contracts and won't be able to do anything to move. But hey, if you're satisfied with 41-45 wins a season, then more power to you. I think it's time to shake things up a little. Getting rid of a max contract like Arenas is a perfect way to do it. He's overrated.

[quote]I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade. [/quote]

That's funny. It stinks of jealousy, but it's funny.
Keep in mind the NBA skrewed the C's with the "lottery" when we missed out of Duncan and last year when we should have had a top 2 pick and got the 5th. The NBA has dumb rules in place, so they circumvented the rules and got serious talent to win it all. And don't act all high and mighty, if you could go out and get two key free agents to win it all you would too.

You would think that SOMEONE that put down the C's here would come out and come clean about their dumb comments, but I guess that won't happen cause jealousy is ugly.

I would not mind for one minute to see the Wizards succeed, mainly cause they have always sucked, and I like underdogs, but they can't keep the same approach and think it will work.

Just one more point...Jamison aging like fine wine? So having the WORST fg% in his career is a good thing? How about his worst 3 pt% in 5 years? Yes, he puts up good points / rebounds, but the point of the game is to get the ball in the hoop. The more you miss the basket, the more the other team has an ability to beat you. 3 of your top 4 players like to miss the basket a lot. You CAN'T win like that. Go look at all the previous champions. I'm not trying to being a jerk, I'm pointing out a glaring problem that you guys aren't seeing. But hey, whatever, we'll have this discussion again next year.

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The really funny thing is over the years, and Iam dating back to the bird years, the Bullets/ Wizards have always given the Celtics fits. Even this year we lost back to back games to the Wizards.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454769]You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting. Especially considering he isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates with only 6 assists per game (career average only 5.5).

About Jamison, go back and read my posts, I said I understand signing Jamison for his versaility, but you can't have multiple poor shooters as your best two players. ANY player in the NBA can score 28 ppg if you allow them to shoot enough. Antoine Walker is a prime example. He never saw a shot he didn't like, and he hurt the C's for many years, but people, like yourself, saw the PPG and thought he was good. He wasn't. You will handcuff yourself with these contracts and won't be able to do anything to move. But hey, if you're satisfied with 41-45 wins a season, then more power to you. I think it's time to shake things up a little. Getting rid of a max contract like Arenas is a perfect way to do it. He's overrated.



That's funny. It stinks of jealousy, but it's funny.
Keep in mind the NBA skrewed the C's with the "lottery" when we missed out of Duncan and last year when we should have had a top 2 pick and got the 5th. The NBA has dumb rules in place, so they circumvented the rules and got serious talent to win it all. And don't act all high and mighty, if you could go out and get two key free agents to win it all you would too.

You would think that SOMEONE that put down the C's here would come out and come clean about their dumb comments, but I guess that won't happen cause jealousy is ugly.

I would not mind for one minute to see the Wizards succeed, mainly cause they have always sucked, and I like underdogs, but they can't keep the same approach and think it will work.

Just one more point...Jamison aging like fine wine? So having the WORST fg% in his career is a good thing? How about his worst 3 pt% in 5 years? Yes, he puts up good points / rebounds, but the point of the game is to get the ball in the hoop. The more you miss the basket, the more the other team has an ability to beat you. 3 of your top 4 players like to miss the basket a lot. [B]You CAN'T win like that.[/B] Go look at all the previous champions. I'm not trying to being a jerk, I'm pointing out a glaring problem that you guys aren't seeing. But hey, whatever, we'll have this discussion again next year.[/QUOTE]

The last time Arenas, Butler, and Jamison were all healthy for an extended period (basically half a season), the Wizards had the best record in the Eastern conference. The fact is is that the Wizards can be a very good team when all three are healthy. Yes a big if, but that's how we like to roll with our sports teams here in DC. K?

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;454777]The last time Arenas, Butler, and Jamison were all healthy for an extended period (basically half a season), the Wizards had the best record in the Eastern conference. The fact is is that the Wizards can be a very good team when all three are healthy. Yes a big if, but that's how we like to roll with our sports teams here in DC. K?[/QUOTE]

HAHA...ok man.

Like I said, I have absolutely nothing against the Wizards. I was REALLY pulling for you when Jordan was there (the greatest player ever, not the coach). I really think DC needs to win again. All DC has ever really had is the Skins, and we all want to see them win again.
I actually like the city...I hate the politics (people are way too crazy about it there) but the city is a pleasure to be in, the people are nice (for the most part), and they are knowledgable fans that deserve to win more than say L.A., N.Y., or any other city outside of Boston. :D

About having the best team for half a season...well the SKins had the best team in the latter part of 07, but you see where that got us right? This is why we play a full season. The wizards are VERY athletic, and quite frankly, fun to watch, but they need a key player that can hit 50% of his shots.

I wouldn't be making these comments if I didn't want to see them win. (not at the expense of Boston, but you get my point.)

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[QUOTE=mredskins;454776]The really funny thing is over the years, and Iam dating back to the bird years, the Bullets/ Wizards have always given the Celtics fits. Even this year we lost back to back games to the Wizards.[/QUOTE]

I don't seem to recall it that way except this year. Not saying you're wrong, but some research would do you well here.

On the flip side, Boston is 164-101 .619% vs the Washington franchise. Keep in mind the Celtics ALL time record is 4839-2860, .591%. So the Celtics beat the Wizards more than they beat other teams throughout history.

[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/head2head.html]Boston Celtics Head-to-Head Results - Basketball-Reference.com[/url]

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Yeah but growing up I always felt like we lost tough games to the Bullets. I guess because I felt like we should beat them every time. =)

Jsarno I am a big Celtics fan as well but you are starting to sound like a sore winner, lets not forget we were probably the crappest team in the league just last year.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454769]You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting. Especially considering he isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates with only 6 assists per game (career average only 5.5).

About Jamison, go back and read my posts, I said I understand signing Jamison for his versaility, but you can't have multiple poor shooters as your best two players. ANY player in the NBA can score 28 ppg if you allow them to shoot enough. Antoine Walker is a prime example. He never saw a shot he didn't like, and he hurt the C's for many years, but people, like yourself, saw the PPG and thought he was good. He wasn't. You will handcuff yourself with these contracts and won't be able to do anything to move. But hey, if you're satisfied with 41-45 wins a season, then more power to you. I think it's time to shake things up a little. Getting rid of a max contract like Arenas is a perfect way to do it. He's overrated.



That's funny. It stinks of jealousy, but it's funny.
Keep in mind the NBA skrewed the C's with the "lottery" when we missed out of Duncan and last year when we should have had a top 2 pick and got the 5th. The NBA has dumb rules in place, so they circumvented the rules and got serious talent to win it all. And don't act all high and mighty, if you could go out and get two key free agents to win it all you would too.

You would think that SOMEONE that put down the C's here would come out and come clean about their dumb comments, but I guess that won't happen cause jealousy is ugly.

I would not mind for one minute to see the Wizards succeed, mainly cause they have always sucked, and I like underdogs, but they can't keep the same approach and think it will work.

Just one more point...Jamison aging like fine wine? So having the WORST fg% in his career is a good thing? How about his worst 3 pt% in 5 years? Yes, he puts up good points / rebounds, but the point of the game is to get the ball in the hoop. The more you miss the basket, the more the other team has an ability to beat you. 3 of your top 4 players like to miss the basket a lot. You CAN'T win like that. Go look at all the previous champions. I'm not trying to being a jerk, I'm pointing out a glaring problem that you guys aren't seeing. But hey, whatever, we'll have this discussion again next year.[/QUOTE]

How did the NBA screw the Celtics exactly?

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[quote=jsarno;454769][B]You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting.[/B] [/quote]

Paul Pierce is a career 44% shooter. And I'm sure you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. In fact, people have been saying next to Larry he's the greatest Celtic scorer ever. So he's two whopping percentage points better than Gilbert for his career. By your rationale he's pretty darn close to "disgusting" too. The Celtics have been miserable for years, you buy one ring by bringing in old guys and that opens the door for iffy criticisms I suppose. Jealous? Hell no.

And Jamison is one of the best shooting PF in the league. And a straight up double double machine. He had his BEST season at 31-32 years old. So yeah, he's aging like a fine wine, and was an all-star last season. Basically the only argument you have for any of this is shooting percentage, which is hilarious to me because your boy Pierce is only 2% away from "disgusting."

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[QUOTE=mredskins;454788]Yeah but growing up I always felt like we lost tough games to the Bullets. I guess because I felt like we should beat them every time. =)

Jsarno I am a big Celtics fan as well but you are starting to sound like a sore winner, lets not forget we were probably the crappest team in the league just last year.[/QUOTE]

sore winner??? How so?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;454794]How did the NBA screw the Celtics exactly?[/QUOTE]

The rules in place for the lottery. It shouldn't exist. Maybe skrewed is the wrong word, but the lottery needs to be fixed. It needs to be like the NFL.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;454795]Paul Pierce is a career 44% shooter. And I'm sure you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. In fact, people have been saying next to Larry he's the greatest Celtic scorer ever. So he's two whopping percentage points better than Gilbert for his career. By your rationale he's pretty darn close to "disgusting" too. The Celtics have been miserable for years, you buy one ring by bringing in old guys and that opens the door for iffy criticisms I suppose. Jealous? Hell no.[/quote]

I know you won't believe me, but I have never been a big Pierce fan. He's a thug. I can appreciate what he did for the C's, but he's probably my 5th or 6th favorite player on the celtics.
You keep ignoring my comment of you can't have your best two players being poor shooters. They brought in KG and Allen, both are good shooters.

Your arguments are sounding terrible by the way, and usually you're better that that. Like assuming I said that Arenas was "disgusting". The FG% is disgusting, and since Arenas only offers 5.5 assists per game he's not the best choice to create opportunities. I even said he was a good player. You choose not to listen. Can't say it surprises me, no one on this site ventures outside of their own thoughts. So more power to you...signing arenas for 120mil for 6 years is great idea...might as well not even play and GIVE the Wiz the trophy. Congrats! :D

[quote]And Jamison is one of the best shooting PF in the league. And a straight up double double machine. He had his BEST season at 31-32 years old. So yeah, he's aging like a fine wine, and was an all-star last season. Basically the only argument you have for any of this is shooting percentage, which is hilarious to me because your boy Pierce is only 2% away from "disgusting."[/QUOTE]

You are assuming he's MY BOY...yet again you're not listening to black and white. Have a nice day. Let me know when you decide to pay attention.

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[quote=jsarno;454805]sore winner??? How so?[/quote]

You keep bashing these Wizards fans over nothing.

Plus if Pierce is your 5th or 6th favorite player on the Celtics you are not much of a Celtics fan. He has been our best player for years, you make no sense dude. who do you like Garnett???? I am glad he came but the guy is a Timber wolf in my eyes.

Seriously, sometimes you are really cool on this site other times you turn into this raging know it all. It gets old.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454806]The rules in place for the lottery. It shouldn't exist. Maybe skrewed is the wrong word, but the lottery needs to be fixed. It needs to be like the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Yeah "skrewed" is definitely the wrong word, in many respects. You make it sound like there was some agenda against the Celtics. I like the lottery system, but that's another discussion altogether

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[QUOTE=mredskins;454812]You keep bashing these Wizards fans over nothing.

Plus if Pierce is your 5th or 6th favorite player on the Celtics you are not much of a Celtics fan. He has been our best player for years, you make no sense dude. who do you like Garnett???? I am glad he came but the guy is a Timber wolf in my eyes.

Seriously, sometimes you are really cool on this site other times you turn into this raging know it all. It gets old.[/QUOTE]

Great post

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jsarno.,,all due respect but you seem to know nothing about basketball. Before his knee got banged up Arenas was a top 5 guy in the league and considered so rather universally. Simply because you don't like him doesn't make it fact that he is over-rated. My God when healthy he is only behind like 4 guys in the league.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;454719]Davis has already declared himself a free agent. He's not likely to come back to Golden State[/QUOTE]
Looks like he's coming back home to play for to the Clippers! I’m in a state of shock right now. Can the Clippers actually be trying to win!? Has Donald Sterling lost his mind? Is the world about to end? This must mean something. I mean we are talking about the Clippers here!

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016]ESPN - Davis verbally agrees to go to Clippers, leave Warriors - NBA[/url]

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;454819]jsarno.,,all due respect but you seem to know nothing about basketball. Before his knee got banged up Arenas was a top 5 guy in the league and considered so rather universally. Simply because you don't like him doesn't make it fact that he is over-rated. My God when healthy he is only behind like 4 guys in the league.[/QUOTE]

I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;454829]I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
[B]I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me[/B].[/QUOTE]


Well everyone appreciates you cutting and pasting the first page of Arenas's NBA.com bio, and then throwing in adjectives like horrible and disgusting to describe his career shooting percentage, accusing people of only looking at stats when you are the one removing one relatively uninmportant statistic (for a shooting guard at least) from context and then using it to evaluate the entire impact of a game-changing scorer, I think your posts would go over better if you injected a little nuance.

You back yourself into these positions and someone becomes either the absolute greatest ever (Favre for example) or a complete disgrace to humanity (Young). There's never any middle ground. And then when someone disagrees with you you go and pick one stat you think buttresses your point and hammer it with loud language until people get annoyed, at which point you call them fart-sniffers who can't handle the truth.

Personally, as a Wizards fan I tend to sympathize with the argument that Arenas is overrated, but certainly not when it is presented the way it has been.

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I'm glad we re-upped Jamison, dude has been consistently good for us ever since we got him in '04. If Arenas decided to leave I wouldn't be terribly upset either, it would save us some salary cap space, if we could get a guy who not only takes good shots but can consistently spread the ball around I'd be happier, but if he stays I wouldn't be too upset either. I just want him to be healthy, injuries have dismantled the team the past few years and if we could just get our Big Three together we would have a better chance.

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[quote=jsarno;454807]I know you won't believe me, but I have never been a big Pierce fan. He's a thug. I can appreciate what he did for the C's, but he's probably my 5th or 6th favorite player on the celtics.
You keep ignoring my comment of you can't have your best two players being poor shooters. They brought in KG and Allen, both are good shooters.

Your arguments are sounding terrible by the way, and usually you're better that that. Like assuming I said that Arenas was "disgusting". The FG% is disgusting, and since Arenas only offers 5.5 assists per game he's not the best choice to create opportunities. I even said he was a good player. You choose not to listen. Can't say it surprises me, no one on this site ventures outside of their own thoughts. So more power to you...signing arenas for 120mil for 6 years is great idea...might as well not even play and GIVE the Wiz the trophy. Congrats! :D



You are assuming he's MY BOY...yet again you're not listening to black and white. Have a nice day. Let me know when you decide to pay attention.[/quote]

First off, I assumed Pierce is "your boy" because you're a big Celtics fan, and he's been your best player for years (save for this season when KG took that role). So I thought it was a pretty valid assumption that you liked Pierce.

Second, I never said you didn't like Arenas, I just took exception to referring to his shooting as "disgusting" when your best player is all of 2% better.

Third, I never said it was a good idea to sign Arenas to 6yr $120M deal. I want him on the team, but not necessarily as a full time PG. I almost think he's better as a combo-guard style player. [url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=thorpe_david&page=ScoutingArenas]ESPN - Scouting breakdown: Arenas is a unique combo - NBA[/url] At 6-4 (same height as D-Wade), with all that speed and some elevation too, I almost think we'd be better with Arenas playing primarily 2 guard.

The Celtics deserved their championship. Not trying to say otherwise. But your argument about shooting percentage is semi-flawed. It varies from team to team as far as "best" players are concerned. Outside shooters like Gilbert are inevitably going to have a lower shooting % than post players like Garnett. If Gilbert was a 7 foot tall PF/center and shot 42%, then I'd have a big problem. Also, Jamison is a smaller PF, and shoots a lot of outside shots. Again, Jamison had the 3rd most double-doubles in the league, is a great leader, and obviously consistent. As it's been pointed out, the sample of games when Jamison, Gil, and Butler have been healthy together is small, but we had the best record in the conference for half a season when they were.

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[quote=jsarno;454829]I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me.[/quote]

Just to clarify, career FG%: Kobe 45.3%, Gilbert 42.7%, D-Wade 48.1%, Pierce 44.2%.

Career 3-PT%: Kobe 34%, Gilbert 36%, D-Wade 25.8%, Pierce 36.3%.

Not a lot of difference between the league MVP, Gilbert, the best player similar to Gilbert, and your best player. Since shooting % is so vital and all...

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127 million for 6 years severely cripples the Wiz for the foreseeable future. He's not worth max money (only a handful of players are)... coming off two knee surgeries and he hasn't shown the propensity to play D.

Bad offer by management. I'm sure Abe told EG to make it so.

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your stats are stupid jsarno. calling jamison and arenas piss poor shooters is retarded and totally untrue.

i didn't bother getting involved because i'd rather not engage in more arguments with brick walls, but all that idiotic arguments get you are eroded credibility.

like when you bring up "i told you so"'s after the celts win from months ago, but never bring up the "i was wrongs", it just seems silly and beneath you.

not trying to hate, but if you're wondering why these threads go down like this, that's why. we have plenty of other people who have used the "i'm right and you're stupid/a fart-sniffer/etc" and it never really leads to much beyond frustration on both sides.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;454843]127 million for 6 years severely cripples the Wiz for the foreseeable future. He's not worth max money (only a handful of players are)... coming off two knee surgeries and he hasn't shown the propensity to play D.

Bad offer by management. I'm sure Abe told EG to make it so.[/QUOTE]

What would you do?