I hate T.O.
 

T.O. scores a TD on the first play for the Eagles. There is no way that he would have done that if McCalister (s.p.) was playing. Also notice on the highlight that Ray Ray was not far behind T.O. on that grab, he will get him now he is even more pissed.

P.S. Kearse was shook up on the first Defensive play. Looked like it was a shoulder or neck.

Damn, Kearse was just a stinger, says he will be back.

heh, TO burned the hell out of Baxter. Everyone at home and in the Stadium knew where it was going. Why not but McAllister on him.

Buckhalter taken off on a cart!

Bet they miss Staley now.

[QUOTE=Daseal]heh, TO burned the hell out of Baxter. Everyone at home and in the Stadium knew where it was going. Why not but McAllister on him.[/QUOTE]


McAllister is way faster than Baxter he would have been with T.O. stride for stride. Too bad he is still holding out.

Oh yea......I hate Freddie Mitchell even more. When he has arms bigger than my sister then he can do that hideous belt thing.

Hrm, McAllister is holding out?

There's the McNabb I'm used to seeing!

I give T.O till there bye week before his productivity goes down and he starts complaining that he is not getting enough balls or something like that.

I'm not mad at T.O. Let him have his fun. His play will decline after a couple of defeats. He'll start to rant and rave about not getting the ball enough and that's just what we need. Go ahead T.O. have all the fun you want with the no SuperBowl ring Eagles.

TO is a jackass. I hate him with every once of hate I have in me ( football wise ). In fact, on the top of the WR depth charts for my fantasy drafts I have the letters F.U.T.O.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]TO is a jackass. I hate him with every once of hate I have in me ( football wise ). In fact, on the top of the WR depth charts for my fantasy drafts I have the letters F.U.T.O.[/QUOTE]

I'm more pissed off with our teams performance against the Panthers. They have beaten our asses the last three times theyv'e seen us. O.K. 2 out of the 3 didn't count, but Carolina played like they meant something. Maybe Stephen Davis has something to do with that.

Yes, those 28 yards Stephen Davis on capped the game and really put the skins in such a hole no amount of morale could have dug us out. In closing: give me a fucking break. Stephen Davis is trash, he's old, he never finishes a season, and he can fall down for 3 yards. We have a man by the name of Clinton Portis who gives us a home run threat and someone for teams to plan around, besides saying put 8 in the box. DeShaun Foster will be Carolina's starter within two years.

Carolina has s coaching staff and player core that has been in place for some time. Losing to the NFC champions in OT doesn't bother me. Better than being shut out by the Texans.

buckhalter is out for the season according to espn

a couple more stingers to kearse and they'll be a lot less threatening

Still preseason rember.. wins here mean nothing and also rember Gibbs and co are running a more vanilla offence to judge individual performances.

Actually, I expect a huge year from TO. And from McNabb who finally has a legitimate #1 receiver to throw to. When the games count, it won't be one bomb then no more TO receptions. The Eagles' offense is greatly improved (but now they desparately need a short-yardage RB to show up). The way we will beat the Eagles this year is with our offense, through the air. They are going to score. But their defense has gone WAY south, and can be beaten badly with the pass. And the Redskins are just the guys to do it!!

The hater-aid sure is flowing today huh?

Who wouldn't want a playmaker like Owens? Sure he's a problem child, but can anyone question that the Eagles WR corps are significantly better with TO??

His presence is really going to open things up for the TE's and other WR's. I'm not at all happy to see him in the NFC East, especially with no more Champ.

The pressure is all on McNabb now. Especially with Staley gone and Buckhalter out now. Yeah, Owens is great and he'll definitely take the pressure off of Mitchell, Pinkston, and their TE (can't remember the name right now) but McNabb has had the benefit of people saying "well he doesn't have any receivers" for the past few years. Now he doesn't have that excuse, so let's see what happens.

At some point, I can see TO complaining to McNabb. Once he realizes that his QB back in San Fran, Jeff Garcia, is a much more accurate passer.

LJ Smith is the TE, hes gonna be a good one also

Yes, Smith looks VERY promising. Right now all the depth charts still show Chad Lewis holding the starting spot, but that is probably like the Redskins' charts showing Sean Taylor 2nd...

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The hater-aid sure is flowing today huh?

Who wouldn't want a playmaker like Owens? Sure he's a problem child, but can anyone question that the Eagles WR corps are significantly better with TO??

His presence is really going to open things up for the TE's and other WR's. I'm not at all happy to see him in the NFC East, especially with no more Champ.[/QUOTE]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We looked pretty good the first games of the season last year. Then low and behold. Fortunately, T.O. will not be scoring as many T.D.'s as to be expected.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We looked pretty good the first games of the season last year. Then low and behold. Fortunately, T.O. will not be scoring as many T.D.'s as to be expected.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's jumping the gun to say a guy who has stayed in the top 10 WR's ever since he came into the league, and is in his prime, is going to have a dramatic affect on a team that has not had a decent #1 WR in recent memory. And I sure don't know how that translates to the 2003 Redskins under one of the worst coaching staffs in recent memory...

By the way, I agree he acts like a jerk - but he does perform.

its just sad that hes still talkin shit about jeff garcia after all this time. he needs to get over it and stop being a dumbass. so much talent, but such a big mouth

[QUOTE=Daseal]Yes, those 28 yards Stephen Davis on capped the game and really put the skins in such a hole no amount of morale could have dug us out. In closing: give me a fucking break. Stephen Davis is trash, he's old, he never finishes a season, and he can fall down for 3 yards. We have a man by the name of Clinton Portis who gives us a home run threat and someone for teams to plan around, besides saying put 8 in the box. DeShaun Foster will be Carolina's starter within two years.

Carolina has s coaching staff and player core that has been in place for some time. Losing to the NFC champions in OT doesn't bother me. Better than being shut out by the Texans.[/QUOTE]

If Gibb's offense is to be established off of the run, then the offense is going to suffer. Portis hasn't shown me a damn thing. He's not even close to 100 yds. in 2 games. You were probably kissing Davis's ass when he played for the Skins". It's hilarious, how some of you so-called knowledgale fans are quick to jump ship when a new ship rolls in. If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath on any of the "new stars" because most are an injury away from collecting the booty and not producing anything.

Portis will be fine, I'm not worried about him one bit.

Jeez, Sunra, I agree with you about the jumping ship bit, but your other statements SURE don't sound like a Redskin fan. Not sure where you were coming from with that stuff.

if you've seen the camps you've seen portis run. so far every run has been up the gut, and he's had very limited touches to break one... i have no doubts he's better than S davis as an RB, but i have no ill feelings towards davis myself, and i think he found a perfect fit in carolina.

[quote]If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath on any of the "new stars" because most are an injury away from collecting the booty and not producing anything.[/quote] that sh*t could be said about ANYONE in the nfl, so i got no clue what kind of point you're trying to make... if davis were here, he'd be one injury away too...

Slightly off topic here but I really hate it when you hear about a team that's one key injury away from a losing season. That's such a generic statement, seriously, doesn't that apply to nearly every team?? Every team has a guy or two that they couldn't afford to lose.

Sunra, Portis has put up back to back 1500 yard seasons, I think he's more than proven himself at the NFL level. Sounds like you're ready to write him off after 2 meaningless preseason games.

if A green or P holmes go down, those would be major blows (or LT, one hit and they could lose nearly 50% of their TOTAL offense ;) )

Wow, it's interesting to see so many people respond to my unpopular position on Portis or any other saviour. The Joe Gibbs I know is interested in the players who want to play in his system and represent the Washington Redskin spirit. Secondly, Gibbs's success has been with taking rank and files players and making them into stars i.e., John Riggins, Art Monk, Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, Mark Rypien, Joe Thesiman, Doug Williams and a host of others. Gibb's system will allow more than Portis to be successful at the running back position. Because if any of you think Portis is going to carry this team like Riggins did you're sadly mistakened. He doesn't have the size to take kind of beating. Otherwise, what will happen is if we make it to the playoffs, Portis will not be able to play at his full potential. That's why I think John Simon, Sultan McCollough and Rock Cartwright will have to be more productive collectively than Portis. It's always the unknown talent that rises to the occassion. I know Portis ran for 1,500 yds. two seasons in a row. That's great. But that was against primarily AFC teams. Not the NFC east. Before the Miami game, Matty posted an article that mentioned how pessimistic Coach Gibbs was about the team and especially in the running game. He even said the Redskins were no where ready for the regular season. What I think some people fail to realize is the big free agents we had acquired in the past 4 years are all gone. They didn't produce a damn thing individually even if the coaching staff stunk up the place. Look at the backs we had during the 1999 season. Stephen Davis, Larry Centers, Skip Hicks and Mike Sellers. Together they supported the running game with Stephen Davis. No one player is going to take us to the promise land. That's the point.

I understand that point SUNRA, but some of that earlier post just reeked of hateraid.
Every team has a leading rusher/starting QB etc, and there's nothing wrong with wishing them the best.

Sunra,

First of all, the reason you got response on that earlier post was the foul comments did not sound like anything I ever heard a FAN of the Redskins say. It was more like what I hear from Cowboy fans.

Secondly, your premise in this latest post is way off base. You are calling Riggo "rank and file"???? and NOT a star??? You need to go back and redo your research on that one. He was a VERY high profile player in high school, college, and with the Jets. He was a very early draft pick. He is in the HALL OF FAME!! (And he WAS a star before he showed up here).

Art Monk "rank and file"???? He was a high-PROfile first-round pick. First rounders do not fit the profile you were attempting to describe.

JOE THEISMAN ordinary and transformed to star????????????? For God's sake, this is the guy the changed the pronunciation of his name to rhyme with Heisman when he was competing to win the trophy!!! Sure, Gibbs developed some unknowns (every great coach does). But he also knows how to utilize a star to the best possible benefit of the team.

If you don't care for all of the disagreements (and lack of support for your statements), try at least SOUNDING like you may be a fan, and try not making totally outrageous statements.

Oh, yeah - and I almost forgot about one other "point" in your attempt to diss Portis. You imply that somehow it was "easy"in the AFC, but will be much tougher to run in the NFC. Let's see how accurate that is. The average of all AFC D's last year was about 1875 yards given up against the run. NFC, about 1880. NFC East, about 1900. I guess if we used your rationale, he should actually have an easier time here. Doesn't work that way, anyhow. There is a LOT more to the running game than playing in the AFC vs. NFC. You will C.

I'm really not sure what's going on in this thread

I'm a little lost myself Matty. It went from T.O. rant to a Portis rant to a Sunra rant apparently. I trust that it will get back on track really soon

man I just read this thread for the first time, wow, :offtopic:

TO is a great receiver, and the only thing we can all hope for is that he is a huge distraction and pulls the team apart. The fact is he will make plays, he gives their offense a big threat, so we are going to have to put up points on their defense. The fact we have taylor will hopefully prove very useful in our division this year.

And Sunra....shush. Portis plays one drive a week. Last week hes one drive he got a touchdown and 37 yards, averged over 5 a carry. Those are great numbers for one drive.

Here's one thing I think we can agree on..

Isnt it nice to know that TO will be having to face Taylor, Roy Williams and Shaun Williams 6 times this year? :party