Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

A few things stood out for me in this blog:

1) Springs is healthy and looks in great shape

2) Smoot is fine after yesterday's ankle issue.

3) JC sounds like he's about 50/50 hot & cold. To me at this point that's a good thing, it means his timing with the WRs is coming along. His knee is likely 100% and not effecting his throws. His errors are probably "read" errors (correctable).

4) Colt Brennan's release sounds a bit "Wuerfful-like". It sounds like he's put on some weight though.

[url=http://theredskinsblog.com/]The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/url]

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;458280]A3) JC sounds like he's about 50/50 hot & cold. To me at this point that's a good thing, it means his timing with the WRs is coming along. His knee is likely 100% and not effecting his throws. His errors are probably "read" errors (correctable).[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I've about had it with all of the excuses about why JC is so freakin inconsistent... I just hope Zorn will see the writing on the wall and do the right thing before we have to dig ourselves out of a huge hole mid-season![/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[SIZE=2]JLC also managed to write a beautiful article bitching about the front office again. If DS weekness is having to make big splashes JLC's weakness is having to trash him (Snyder) for petty reasons. And of course mine is bashing JLC. [/SIZE]
[B]Posted at 3:27 PM ET, 07/21/2008[/B]

[B]The Immaculate Deception[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]There is a reason the media schlubs around here have a hard time believing a lot of what comes out of Vinny Cerrato's mouth, and a reason he has credibility issues. Yesterday was a prime example, though hardly unprecedented in these parts. Cerrato repeatedly denied the team was interested in Jason Taylor to the local media (via text, phone call, and then in front of the camera at a press conference), from about 2 pm right up until he tripped over his own feet entering the media room to announce the trade.

[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[/FONT]

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

In other news:
Big ups to our depth!

[url=http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story;jsessionid=2007C477E7D797F9E93FB502E79E174F?id=09000d5d80962efc&template=with-video&confirm=true]Depth serves teams well over course of NFL grind[/url]

----------

Word is Campbell is actually disappointed in the first couple days of camp. Hopefully that'll change before preseason starts. 13 days!!!@123

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=hesscl34;458287][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I've about had it with all of the excuses about why JC is so freakin inconsistent... I just hope Zorn will see the writing on the wall and do the right thing before we have to dig ourselves out of a huge hole mid-season![/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

and what exactly is the "right thing"?

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;458289][SIZE=2]JLC also managed to write a beautiful article bitching about the front office again. If DS weekness is having to make big splashes JLC's weakness is having to trash him (Snyder) for petty reasons. And of course mine is bashing JLC. [/SIZE]
[B]Posted at 3:27 PM ET, 07/21/2008[/B]

[B]The Immaculate Deception[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]There is a reason the media schlubs around here have a hard time believing a lot of what comes out of Vinny Cerrato's mouth, and a reason he has credibility issues. Yesterday was a prime example, though hardly unprecedented in these parts. Cerrato repeatedly denied the team was interested in Jason Taylor to the local media (via text, phone call, and then in front of the camera at a press conference), from about 2 pm right up until he tripped over his own feet entering the media room to announce the trade. [/FONT]


[/quote]

I'm not to worried about Vinny and JLC right about now since we've got some football to talk about. I can see, though, how the media has a little bit of distrust for the skins FO. A simple no comment would be the better response. This is nothing new as i don't believe alot of what comes from Vinny. He is a likeable guy though, he just needs to go to a Public Relations 101 basic learning class. He's not the first FO guy to bend the truth a little.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;458280]A few things stood out for me in this blog:

1) Springs is healthy and looks in great shape

2) Smoot is fine after yesterday's ankle issue.

3) JC sounds like he's about 50/50 hot & cold. To me at this point that's a good thing, it means his timing with the WRs is coming along. His knee is likely 100% and not effecting his throws. His errors are probably "read" errors (correctable).

4) Colt Brennan's release sounds a bit "Wuerfful-like". It sounds like he's put on some weight though.

[URL="http://theredskinsblog.com/"]The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/URL][/quote]

Kosar had a strange throw as well but it worked. Not that CB is going to have a career like Bernie Kosar. Zorn will decide whether he wants to change that delivery.

Springs is a worker. I would have been suprised if he showed up in bad shape.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=redsk1;458403]I'm not to worried about Vinny and JLC right about now since we've got some football to talk about. I can see, though, how the media has a little bit of distrust for the skins FO. A simple no comment would be the better response. This is nothing new as i don't believe alot of what comes from Vinny. He is a likeable guy though, he just needs to go to a Public Relations 101 basic learning class. He's not the first FO guy to bend the truth a little.[/quote]

I just don't get why the media gets surprised when a FO member does not give them the answers they want. So what if he said no comment (which is as good as saying yes) or yes we are negotiating a trade if another team was looking at JT they may have derailed us from getting him. So thumbs up to VC for throwing off the media.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

And I thought due to potential charges of tampering Vinny was well within his rights to say they weren't interested at that time. That JLC article just seems like sour grapes.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=firstdown;458405]I just don't get why the media gets surprised when a FO member does not give them the answers they want. So what if he said no comment (which is as good as saying yes) or yes we are negotiating a trade if another team was looking at JT they may have derailed us from getting him. So thumbs up to VC for throwing off the media.[/quote]

The other thing I don't get, why does the media think they have any influence over what Vinny Cerrato does?

So he lied to you, and you didn't like it. Is he supposed to care? Why? What are you going to do, write a story about how he's a liar liar pants on fire? Toilet paper the trees in his front yard? Gimme a break.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=J. Spanky;458398]and what exactly is the "right thing"?[/quote]

The right thing is not something most of you would like very much.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

The right thing is to coach him up the best they can and commit to him as the starter for the entire season... unless he's a total disaster which I simply don't see happening.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;458408]The other thing I don't get, why does the media think they have any influence over what Vinny Cerrato does?

So he lied to you, and you didn't like it. Is he supposed to care? Why? What are you going to do, write a story about how he's a liar liar pants on fire? Toilet paper the trees in his front yard? Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]

They talked about this on WP Live yesterday on Comcast and general consensus is that it's a reporter thing and fans don't really give two craps about the FO lying to the media.. JLC was being a whiny little bitch about it.. There was no need to blog that other than to grind a personal ax..

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;458407]And I thought due to potential charges of tampering Vinny was well within his rights to say they weren't interested at that time. That JLC article just seems like sour grapes.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Why does JLC think he has some [U]right[/U] to know what the front office is thinking in regards to personnel decisions? Why would Vinny want other teams to know that the Redskins were thinking about acquiring Taylor, thereby potentially entering into a bidding war or getting slapped with tampering charges? Granted, Vinny could have responded to inquiries with "no comment," but that's tantamount to saying, "I absolutely confirm the validity of these rumors."

Either JLC (1) realizes that front offices' engage in subterfuge, deception, and outright lies; or (2) he is an idiot for believing that Vinny should be absolutely candid with the press. In any event, JLC seems like he has some serious [U]personal[/U] beef with this front office. He never wastes an opportunity to blast the team. He might think he is just calling them like he sees them and the rest of us are dumb sheep, but I tend to think he is oftentimes unprofessional insofar as he is letting his personal biases color his perception of front office moves.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;458432]The right thing is to coach him up the best they can and commit to him as the starter for the entire season... unless he's a total disaster which I simply don't see happening.[/quote]

JC's not happy with his own performance in practice, he said it himself... he let's the pressure get to him too much and over thinks. I hope you are right and he'll work out of it... but if not then the right thing to do is pull the plug before we are needing 6 straights wins to make the playoffs....

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;458442]Exactly. Why does JLC think he has some [U]right[/U] to know what the front office is thinking in regards to personnel decisions? Why would Vinny want other teams to know that the Redskins were thinking about acquiring Taylor, thereby potentially entering into a bidding war or getting slapped with tampering charges? Granted, Vinny could have responded to inquiries with "no comment," but that's tantamount to saying, "I absolutely confirm the validity of these rumors."

Either JLC (1) realizes that front offices' engage in subterfuge, deception, and outright lies; or (2) he is an idiot for believing that Vinny should be absolutely candid with the press. In any event, JLC seems like he has some serious [U]personal[/U] beef with this front office. He never wastes an opportunity to blast the team. He might think he is just calling them like he sees them and the rest of us are dumb sheep, but I tend to think he is oftentimes unprofessional insofar as he is letting his personal biases color his perception of front office moves.[/QUOTE]

It's kinda cool that JLC is not a homer. I think he provides more scrutiny than a homer would, and I can sort through what is BS and what is substantial.

But yeah, it is funny that JLC wrote a blog about this. I thought it was common knowledge that FOs lie to the media.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=hesscl34;458443]JC's not happy with his own performance in practice, he said it himself... he let's the pressure get to him too much and over thinks. I hope you are right and he'll work out of it... but if not then the right thing to do is pull the plug before we are needing 6 straights wins to make the playoffs....[/QUOTE]

It's....day...three... Chill out.

Let's get into at least mid September before calling for the backup!

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=hesscl34;458443]JC's not happy with his own performance in practice, he said it himself... he let's the pressure get to him too much and over thinks. I hope you are right and he'll work out of it... but if not then the right thing to do is pull the plug before we are needing 6 straights wins to make the playoffs....[/quote]

We're not even done with day 3 of camp. Personally I like the fact he's critical of himself. He's probably not playing quite as bad as he thinks he is. He just needs to settle in. He'll be fine.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;458442]Exactly. Why does JLC think he has some [U]right[/U] to know what the front office is thinking in regards to personnel decisions? Why would Vinny want other teams to know that the Redskins were thinking about acquiring Taylor, thereby potentially entering into a bidding war or getting slapped with tampering charges? Granted, Vinny could have responded to inquiries with "no comment," but that's tantamount to saying, "I absolutely confirm the validity of these rumors."

Either JLC (1) realizes that front offices' engage in subterfuge, deception, and outright lies; or (2) he is an idiot for believing that Vinny should be absolutely candid with the press. In any event, JLC seems like he has some serious [U]personal[/U] beef with this front office. He never wastes an opportunity to blast the team. He might think he is just calling them like he sees them and the rest of us are dumb sheep, but I tend to think he is oftentimes unprofessional insofar as he is letting his personal biases color his perception of front office moves.[/quote]

Good post, I would agree that JLC does behave unreasonably with his incessant bashing of the team.

I don't think we could have been hit with any tampering charges when it comes to Taylor, because tampering would consist of talking to a guy when he's under contract. That's not what Vinny was doing, he wasn't talking to Taylor, he was talking to Parcells about trading for Taylor. Which is perfectly legal in the NFL world.

But tampering notwithstanding, you're right, JLC should know that teams aren't going to be honest about player acquisition. It would be bad business.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;458464]I don't think we could have been hit with any tampering charges when it comes to Taylor, because tampering would consist of talking to a guy when he's under contract. That's not what Vinny was doing, he wasn't talking to Taylor, he was talking to Parcells about trading for Taylor. Which is perfectly legal in the NFL world.[/QUOTE]

I could be wrong, but I thought that tampering encompasses any statements which suggest that a team is interested in a player under contract with another team. I think the rationale for that broad construction of the concept of tampering is that if a player is thinking about holding out unless he is traded, public expressions of interest in trading for that player would only encourage him to hold out. Had Vinny had told the press that the Redskins are trying to trade for Taylor, they would have expressed an interest in acquiring a player under contract with another team.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

Justin Tryon seems to have swagger to him. He's already yapping on the field like Smoot. Plus he seems to be doing well on the [I]practice[/I] field.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=saden1;458474]Justin Tryon seems to have swagger to him. He's already yapping on the field like Smoot. Plus he seems to be doing well on the [I]practice[/I] field.[/quote]

he's been doing that since draft day. confidence is definitely not a problem.


and yeah, generally NFL teams don't talk about players under contract to other teams (publicly) because THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO.

If you're going to try and pin it to the FO, pointless whining a pretty weak approach.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=hesscl34;458443]JC's not happy with his own performance in practice, he said it himself... he let's the pressure get to him too much and over thinks. I hope you are right and he'll work out of it... but if not then the right thing to do is pull the plug before we are needing 6 straights wins to make the playoffs....[/quote]
IMO the struggles he's having are still thinking about the reads too much and not trusting his own decsion-making yet. He's probably making the right read, but is still hesitating on pulling the trigger slightly. This will throw off the timing in the WCO. Give Zorn & JC the benefit of the doubt, and next week I'll bet we see a much improved and more consistent JC. JC's a hard worker and for the first time in his NFL career he has a good QB coach, who has played the position at the NFL level.

Collins is not the answer. JC would need to play pretty awful for me to pull him in favor of Collins.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=saden1;458474]Justin Tryon seems to have swagger to him. He's already yapping on the field like Smoot. Plus he seems to be doing well on the [I]practice[/I] field.[/quote]

Dude has a TON of swagger, and he seems to be backing it up so far. He could be a nice find.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;458460]We're not even done with day 3 of camp. Personally I like the fact he's critical of himself. He's probably not playing quite as bad as he thinks he is. He just needs to settle in. He'll be fine.[/quote]
Well if he only hitting around 50/50 it would be kind of hard not to be critcal of himself.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;458517]IMO the struggles he's having are still thinking about the reads too much and not trusting his own decsion-making yet. He's probably making the right read, but is still hesitating on pulling the trigger slightly. This will throw off the timing in the WCO. Give Zorn & JC the benefit of the doubt, and next week I'll bet we see a much improved and more consistent JC. JC's a hard worker and for the first time in his NFL career he has a good QB coach, who has played the position at the NFL level.

Collins is not the answer. JC would need to play pretty awful for me to pull him in favor of Collins.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The undying faith you all have in him really surprises me considering his inconsistent throwing and lack of confidence. Anyway, my original post said I was sick of the excuses every time JC stinks it up. I didn’t post to have a discussion about who I think should be our QB… that’s a discussion we’ll save for later.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

Who has undying faith?? :doh:

All I'm saying is we haven't seen enough of him to make any firm judgments. You've gotta give the guy a fair shot.

It's day 3 of camp in a new system and you're already hinting at a QB change?

C'mon.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;458407]And I thought due to potential charges of tampering Vinny was well within his rights to say they weren't interested at that time. That JLC article just seems like sour grapes.[/quote]

Yeah, sounds like someone is annoyed he didn't catch wind of it before it happened. Boo hoo JLC.

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;458546]Who has undying faith?? :doh:

All I'm saying is we haven't seen enough of him to make any firm judgments. You've gotta give the guy a fair shot.

It's day 3 of camp in a new system and you're already hinting at a QB change?

C'mon.[/quote]


Not yet, But so far he has played in 20 games over two seasons.

Year one he played 7 games and his QB rating was 76.5. Not great.

Next year he played 13 games and his qb raiting was virtually unchanged at 77.6, even though he went through the entire training camp as the designated starter.

His rating was actually higher in Losses than wins (77.8 : 77.3).

His rating was abysmal in games close and late (51.0).

I'm starting to see a pattern, that I hope the next 16 games changes.

This is definitely a "put up or shut up" year for him.

J-Dawg

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=jgalecpa;458557]Not yet, But so far he has played in 20 games over two seasons.

Year one he played 7 games and his QB rating was 76.5. Not great.

Next year he played 13 games and his qb raiting was virtually unchanged at 77.6, even though he went through the entire training camp as the designated starter.

His rating was actually higher in Losses than wins (77.8 : 77.3).

His rating was abysmal in games close and late (51.0).

I'm starting to see a pattern, that I hope the next 16 games changes.

This is definitely a "put up or shut up" year for him.

J-Dawg[/quote]
I posted this back in May. We definitely agree that this is a "put up or shut up" year for JC though.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/23473-jason-campbell-pulled-his-hammy-2.html#post447749[/URL]

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/23473-jason-campbell-pulled-his-hammy-2.html#post447749[/URL][/quote]


Just read your post. I especially liked your analysis:

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;458563]ICampbell is basically entering his sophomore season, having started only 19 games. If you look at Matt Hasselbeck in his first 12 games he had a 54.8 completion % and a 70.9 QB rating. The next seaon he started 12 games and improved to 63.7 completion % and an 87.8 rating. The following season he was a Pro-Bowl caliber QB, posting a 61 completion % and a 91.4 QB rating. Campbell has better physical skills, a stronger arm and the same "brains" as Hasselbeck. With Zorn mentoring and developing JC, expect him to be playing at a Pro Bowl level towards the end of this season or early next season.[/quote]

Note the progression: 70.9->87.8->91.4

Hope to see something like that this year.



J-Dawg

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=jgalecpa;458566]Just read your post. I especially liked your analysis:

Note the progression: 70.9->87.8->91.4

Hope to see something like that this year.[/quote]
Thanks. I hope so too, or not only are we (Skins) in a bad situation going into JCs final year of his contract, but I'm going to have to take a lot of doo-doo from the JC bashers. LOL

Re: Non-Jason Taylor News (from Redskins Blog)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;458571]Thanks. I hope so too, or not only are we (Skins) in a bad situation going into JCs final year of his contract, but I'm going to have to take a lot of doo-doo from the JC bashers. LOL[/quote]

I trust Zorn to make the right call about JC, and I don't think it will take him long to make it.