70Chips's Play Calling Advice for Zorn
 

1. No one ever really properly defended the slip screen to Moss.

2. A lot more things go wrong with 5 man pass pro than do with 6 or 7.

3. The best play sequence in goal to go, is run pass run, regardles of the yardage needed.

4. Clinton Portis is the best ball player on your team.

5. Gadget plays work the best in the 3rd quarter and on 2nd down.

6. Special Team Trick Plays are way under-utilized.

7. In goaline, it's best to have two receivers run the baseline.

8. Don't lean too heavily on draws or screeens early on in the season.

9. Get your QB moving with designed rolls. sprints, whatever.

10. Only go for it based on the crowd in December and January.

That'll do.

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Not that it's worth a shit....lol

You get a D just for trying, beats an F......but you at least attempted a Top 10, I think?

I don't think Zorn will be taking any of your free play calling advice there 70, but #10 isn't to bad, always do what the paying crowd wants you to do, JUST GO FOR IT.

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lol nice Hoosiers reference

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Well here goes...

1) Especially early in the season, test the o-line and force it to find its mean streak. That means a balls to walls rushing attack w/ Thomas pulling often. What is more probable in the first year of the WCO w/ smallish starting receivers: a dominant running game or a dominant passing game? The passing game will have to develop as the season progresses but we can/should be a dominant running team two minutes into week 1.

2) Continuing on the ground game... work Betts and Portis into the game together on maybe half the rushing plays. Smashmouth football will get us a long ways, but using Betts and Portis together will create misdirection and pay dividends.

3) Play to JC's advantage w/ lots of big target sets early in the season (to build his confidence). This could mean moving Cooley, Davis and maybe Kelly around a lot.

4) Again early in the season, avoid testing our pass protection. Until it becomes clear whether Jansen can still handle top d-ends we should always provide him w/ help on the deeper route plays. We can't risk JC getting plastered and dinged up early.

5) Take at least 3 or 4 deep shots per quarter and not always to Moss.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;465671]Well here goes...

1) Especially early in the season, test the o-line and force it to find its mean streak. That means a balls to walls rushing attack w/ Thomas pulling often. What is more probable in the first year of the WCO w/ smallish starting receivers: a dominant running game or a dominant passing game? The passing game will have to develop as the season progresses but we can/should be a dominant running team two minutes into week 1.

2) Continuing on the ground game... work Betts and Portis into the game together on maybe half the rushing plays. Smashmouth football will get us a long ways, but using Betts and Portis together will create misdirection and pay dividends.

3) Play to JC's advantage w/ lots of big target sets early in the season (to build his confidence). This could mean moving Cooley, Davis and maybe Kelly around a lot.

4) Again early in the season, avoid testing our pass protection. Until it becomes clear whether Jansen can still handle top d-ends we should always provide him w/ help on the deeper route plays. We can't risk JC getting plastered and dinged up early.

5) Take at least 3 or 4 deep shots per quarter and not always to Moss.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your #5 especially if our tall receivers Thomas/Kelly develop into deep threats. And my opinion on gadget/trick plays...I dunno but I feel we shouldn't do them if we have fallen behind in the game (i.e. that reversed we ran with S. Moss during the game against Green Bay [when we were down] which resulted in a fumble recovered and ran in for a score).

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Ruhskins, actually, we were winning when we ran that reverse to moss, because he fimbled it and they picked it up and ran in back for 6 and that was the go ahead score.

But yeah, this thread is comedy... someone from the internet seriously trying to give a NFL coach advice on playcalling. I hope you were joking hahahahahahahahahahaha

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[QUOTE=4thGenRedskin21;465688]Ruhskins, actually, we were winning when we ran that reverse to moss, because he fimbled it and they picked it up and ran in back for 6 and that was the go ahead score.

But yeah, this thread is comedy... someone from the internet seriously trying to give a NFL coach advice on playcalling. I hope you were joking hahahahahahahahahahaha[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, you are correct.

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70Chip.

Nice.

11. Don't forget that you can rush Carter AND Taylor from the same side if you put Evans at the other DE. (make sure you take a nice picture of how wide the OT's eyes get when they see those guys).

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12. On short playes like 4th and 1 fake the snap and have Rabach move the chains.

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Here's my 2 cents:

Never, ever punt if you are on the opponents side of the field.

Think about it - if you are on their 40 and it's 4th down you have two choices:

1) Go for it - you have at least a 25-30 % chance of converting first down.
2) Punt and likely they will get the ball on the 20 yard line. So you gave up 20 yards for a chance to keep momentum? I'll take that every time.

Plus, I say throw it up - an INT deep in their territory is the same as a punt except we actually have a chance of converting, whereas with a punt we do not.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;465711]Here's my 2 cents:

Never, ever punt if you are on the opponents side of the field.

Think about it - if you are on their 40 and it's 4th down you have two choices:

1) Go for it - you have at least a 25-30 % chance of converting first down.
2) Punt and likely they will get the ball on the 20 yard line. So you gave up 20 yards for a chance to keep momentum? I'll take that every time.

Plus, I say throw it up - an INT deep in their territory is the same as a punt except we actually have a chance of converting, whereas with a punt we do not.[/quote]

Sounds like the Madden approach.

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Zorn is going to be a good coach. We should be able to tell Sat. versus Carolina. I think he will gameplan that game more than the others.

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Matty, statisticians have worked out that teams would average a greater point differential is they went for it from (I believe) the opposing teams 40 yard line on anything 4th and 3 or lower. Its been a while since I read the study, Ill see if I can find it later.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;465743]Matty, statisticians have worked out that teams would average a greater point differential is they went for it from (I believe) the opposing teams 40 yard line on anything 4th and 3 or lower. Its been a while since I read the study, Ill see if I can find it later.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1453717.html]ESPN.com: NFL - Fourth-down analysis met with skepticism[/url]

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Finally, something 70Chip and I agree on :food-smil

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[quote=firstdown;465709]12. On short playes like 4th and 1 fake the snap and have Rabach move the chains.[/quote]


:confused: I don't think you can do that.

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You can if the ball touches the QB's hands. I can't remember what that play is called, but we used to do it all the time in backyard football. :biggthump

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;465774]You can if the ball touches the QB's hands. I can't remember what that play is called, but we used to do it all the time in backyard football. :biggthump[/QUOTE]
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I was actually talking about the center snapping the ball into the QB's hands, and then pulling it away from him and running forward with it -- so, no fumble involved. It's only good for a yard or two (if that).

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[quote=70Chip;465640]1. No one ever really properly defended the slip screen to Moss.

2. A lot more things go wrong with 5 man pass pro than do with 6 or 7.

3. The best play sequence in goal to go, is run pass run, regardles of the yardage needed.

4. Clinton Portis is the best ball player on your team.

5. Gadget plays work the best in the 3rd quarter and on 2nd down.

6. Special Team Trick Plays are way under-utilized.

7. In goaline, it's best to have two receivers run the baseline.

8. Don't lean too heavily on draws or screeens early on in the season.

9. Get your QB moving with designed rolls. sprints, whatever.

10. Only go for it based on the crowd in December and January.

That'll do.

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1. Actually that play to Moss worked in 05 but I remember that play being stuffed several times in 06. Teams adjusted to it but it wouldn't hurt to try it once a game. Back in 05 Gibbs ran that play in the dirt.

2. I've been watching that too and it seems we're sending out 5 guys a lot but in contrast the QB is suppose to get rid of the ball quicker. It looks like they had better start giving Jansen some help. Especially in the opener. No way is Jansen going to be able to block Tuck 1 on 1.

9. I think we're going to see JC on the move a lot more once the real games start.

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Only call plays that work, but don't call them too often. The defense might pick up on it!

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[quote=skinsfan69;466014]1. Actually that play to Moss worked in 05 but I remember that play being stuffed several times in 06. Teams adjusted to it but it wouldn't hurt to try it once a game. Back in 05 Gibbs ran that play in the dirt.

2. I've been watching that too and it seems we're sending out 5 guys a lot but in contrast the QB is suppose to get rid of the ball quicker. It looks like they had better start giving Jansen some help. Especially in the opener. No way is Jansen going to be able to block Tuck 1 on 1.

9. I think we're going to see JC on the move a lot more once the real games start.[/quote]

Regarding #2, I think you have to play it by ear and mix it up. I think 5 receivers is okay from time to time, but my point was this: Too few blockers can lead to the ball going the other way very quickly. Too many blockers leads to Campbell holding it because no one is open. The second is infuriating to us as fans, but not as much as the first.

Regarding #1, my attitude is get the ball in Santana's hands early and often. You can make Cooley or Thrash wait a bit, but the sooner Santana gets it, the better off we will be. Once he makes a play or two he seems to get into his comfort zone and is capable of huge games. The Screen is any easy way to do that. If that particular play doesn't do it for you, draw up another. But, just keep him interested.

Regarding #9, I agree. I expect Campbell to be on the move a lot more than Hasselback was, even though its the same offfense. Jason is excellent on the move.