Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate
 

[url=http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1835480,00.html]Halperin on Biden: The Pros and the Cons - TIME[/url]

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It was leaked sometime late last night. Interesting counterpart, just glad it wasn't hildog.

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where the hell is this kids parents?why is it always grandma raising these future inmates and welfare bums. His dad is probably in prison and mama is in rehab or prison.Just think of the future.This kid has no chance!!

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[quote=redskinjim;466513]where the hell is this kids parents?why is it always grandma raising these future inmates and welfare bums. His dad is probably in prison and mama is in rehab or prison.Just think of the future.This kid has no chance!![/quote]

I'm guessing you intended this for a different thread??

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i really like Joe Biden. but it goes against Obama's theme of its time for a change.

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[quote=dmek25;466519]i really like Joe Biden. but it goes against Obama's theme of its time for a change.[/quote]


I think Biden has always been a good guy with respect to democratic issues and I believe Obama and Biden share core principles. I really like the pick though Biden is irreplaceable in the senate.

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[quote=redskinjim;466513]where the hell is this kids parents?why is it always grandma raising these future inmates and welfare bums. His dad is probably in prison and mama is in rehab or prison.Just think of the future.This kid has no chance!![/quote]


I was gonna say the same damn thing

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obama chose wisely. when is mcain going to choose??this will be a very close race like gore vs bush was

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McCain is supposed to pick Friday.

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Apparently there's talk of McCain planning on doing it on Thursday, the final day of the democratic convention, to steal some sunshine.

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Yawn.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;466507]It was leaked sometime late last night. Interesting counterpart, just glad it wasn't hildog.[/QUOTE]

Off topic for a second, a) where the hell have you been and b) you need to reduce the font of your sig. It takes away from your posts.

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[QUOTE=saden1;466520]I think Biden has always been a good guy with respect to democratic issues and I believe Obama and Biden share core principles. I really like the pick though Biden is irreplaceable in the senate.[/QUOTE]

I would tend to agree. Obama, like many "non-Washingtonians" likes to clamor about being the outsider and bringing change. But the reality is you need someone who is a bit of an insider who can help bring the change about by navigating through all the politics of Washington. It's certainly a much better choice than Chet Edwards.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;466561]Yawn.[/QUOTE]

Is that your way of saying it's a boring pick, or because it's a Democrat you think it's not worth discussing? If it's the latter, I wish you would choose differently. You know your politics, though many would not agree with your positions, at least you can offer some insights that others here cannot.

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i don't think its above 70 to try and start an argument

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[quote=saden1;466520]I think Biden has always been a good guy with respect to democratic issues and I believe Obama and Biden share core principles. I really like the pick though Biden is irreplaceable in the senate.[/quote]
ONLY if the Obama/Biden ticket win in November would that be true.

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Not particularly impressed by the pick. It's a nice safe pick. I understand the Outsider/Insider argument but don't think Biden adds much to Obama's electability. He's from the same Ivory Tower/Intellectual elitist school as Obama.

Before I get flamed: Nothing wrong with being intelligent or well-educated, I am just suggesting that this does nothing to enlarge his base and only emphasizes the very traits that alienated him within his own party. In fact, by picking such an obvious insider it can't help but detract from his primary message.

In general not a big fan of Biden, but that's just b/c I disagree with his politics.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;466578]Not particularly impressed by the pick. It's a nice safe pick. I understand the Outsider/Insider argument but don't think Biden adds much to Obama's electability. He's from the same Ivory Tower/Intellectual elitist school as Obama.

Before I get flamed: [B]Nothing wrong with being intelligent or well-educated[/B], I am just suggesting that this does nothing to enlarge his base and only emphasizes the very traits that alienated him within his own party. In fact, by picking such an obvious insider it can't help but detract from his primary message.

In general not a big fan of Biden, but that's just b/c I disagree with his politics.[/quote]

Especially coming off dubya

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[quote=JoeRedskin;466578]Not particularly impressed by the pick. It's a nice safe pick. I understand the Outsider/Insider argument but don't think Biden adds much to Obama's electability. [B] He's from the same Ivory Tower/Intellectual elitist school as Obama. [/B]

Before I get flamed: Nothing wrong with being intelligent or well-educated, I am just suggesting that this does nothing to enlarge his base and only emphasizes the very traits that alienated him within his own party. In fact, by picking such an obvious insider it can't help but detract from his primary message.

In general not a big fan of Biden, but that's just b/c I disagree with his politics.[/quote]

I thought I heard that this choice may help Obama in blue-collar states/towns due to the fact Biden grew up and has ties to Scranton PA and supports blue-collar issues?

I could be mistaken..

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Since my post, I've read the same thing. He is apparently in with Labor and trial lawyers.

I dunno. Something tells me he is going to be more harmful than helpful.

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I think this pick can go either way. Either really good or really bad. I doubt seriously he is going to end up being a below the radar forgotten candidate.

The question is though, does this represent a bit of a shift in BO's approach? The "hope/change" campaign was starting to stall out a little bit as people actually started to wonder if this guy with an intersting message but dubious qualifications could actually do the job. I think we may see a more directed approach and less of the vague "hope/change" message that ahs gotten him to this point. If that is the case then I am very impressed with his abilities to read the political winds and capitilize. If he goes about spouting about change and so forth with any great effort then he'll end up looking like a dope...the "change" guy who nominated an old crusty white guy who is essentially the democrat version of the guy he is running aganist. The same guy who represents the same old same old....but only if he's a Republican. Otherwise old crusty white guys are OK.

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I like the pick. Regardless of whom Obama would have chosen, there would have been risk, some downside, and critism. Had it been Hilary, it would have been you can't trust her. Had it been Kaine, it would have been too much inexperience on one ticket. And so on.

Some argue his message of change has been undercut by picking Biden, but Obama is running for President not Joe Biden. And at the end of the day, people make there voting decisions based on whose on top of the ticket, not the bottom.

If anything, this gives Obama some foreign policy coverage between now and November if or when another international conflict arises. In other words, Joe Biden provides a layer of comfort for those voters who are either a tad leary of Obama's experience or still don't know him.

From top to bottom I think it's a very solid pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;466562]Off topic for a second, a) where the hell have you been and b) you need to reduce the font of your sig. It takes away from your posts.[/quote]

Been working this half this summer and was overseas for a month. I was without football for 4 weeks and it was terrible.I should be getting more time to the check the warpath now though.

And yeah I just did, I also need a new sig. Probably will do that in the days to come.

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[quote=Mattyk72;466647]Especially coming off dubya[/quote]

he still makes quite a bit of speech errors, about 3-5 that I noticed yesterday. No way it's as bad as Bush, but I kinda see it as a weakness, especially due to the fact he is kinda old. One time he was referring to the current administration and he said Bush-McCain instead of Cheney.

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[quote=hooskins;467221]he still makes quite a bit of speech errors, about 3-5 that I noticed yesterday. No way it's as bad as Bush, but I kinda see it as a weakness, especially due to the fact he is kinda old. One time he was referring to the current administration and he said [B]Bush-McCain instead of Cheney.[/B][/quote]

I doubt that's was in error.

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[quote=saden1;467228]I doubt that's was in error.[/quote]

I think it was because he said something to the effect of "we are sick and tired of the last 8 years of Bush-McCain". That's just what I thought I heard, definitely could be wrong.

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[quote=hooskins;467234]I think it was because he said something to the effect of "we are sick and tired of the last 8 years of Bush-McCain". That's just what I thought I heard, definitely could be wrong.[/quote]

It's not, they want to impregnate voter's minds with the notion that Bush and McCain are one in the same. That McCain is as much part of the Bush administration as Dick...4 more years of Bush...Bush's third term.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;466578]Not particularly impressed by the pick. It's a nice safe pick. I understand the Outsider/Insider argument but don't think Biden adds much to Obama's electability. [B]He's from the same Ivory[/B] [B]Tower/Intellectual elitist school as Obama.[/B]

Before I get flamed: Nothing wrong with being intelligent or well-educated, I am just suggesting that this does nothing to enlarge his base and only emphasizes the very traits that alienated him within his own party. In fact, by picking such an obvious insider it can't help but detract from his primary message.

In general not a big fan of Biden, but that's just b/c I disagree with his politics.[/quote]
i don't think this is true, but it makes me chuckle. if im picking a doctor, or lawyer, don't i want the best? if im looking for anyone in elected office, don't i want the best? isn't that what the term "elite" means? why wouldn't i want the "best" in the president? or since this administration, have we lowered our standards so much, that just any old person will due?

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a good safe pick for obama...foreign policy experience is something he really lacks and biden gives him that to some extent. Mccain is really going to have to really pick a good running mate. Here's food for thought....not to sound like a racist or a feminist...but if i am mccain i approach condoleeza rice to be my running mate. you gotta shake things up once in a while and naming rice as his running mate would shock the world.

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i don't think rice is very good at anything besides being a mouthpiece.

powell would be better, but he got burnt last time :/.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;467435]i don't think rice is very good at anything besides being a mouthpiece.

powell would be better, but he got burnt last time :/.[/QUOTE]

Zero chance on Powell. I have read rumblings that he's a closet Obama supporter. I am guessing we'll hear zippy from him anytime soon or he'll come in favor of BO.

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;467385]a good safe pick for obama...foreign policy experience is something he really lacks and biden gives him that to some extent. Mccain is really going to have to really pick a good running mate. Here's food for thought....not to sound like a racist or a feminist...but if i am mccain i approach condoleeza rice to be my running mate. you gotta shake things up once in a while and naming rice as his running mate would shock the world.[/QUOTE]

But that's like a 3-0 fastball down the middle for the Dems to say McCain is just four more years of Bush.

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[quote=SmootSmack;467467]But that's like a 3-0 fastball down the middle for the Dems to say McCain is just four more years of Bush.[/quote]


when i started thinking about it sounded good but that might be more ammo for the 4 more years of bush theory. I hate to say this but yet again we dont have the best of candidates to choose from yet again. I have felt this way the last 3 presidential elections. Its like choosing the lesser of two evils.

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[quote=saden1;466520]I think Biden has always been a good guy with respect to democratic issues and I believe Obama and Biden share core principles. I really like the pick though Biden is irreplaceable in the senate.[/quote]
Biden is irreplaceable in the senate? Ok, if you say so.

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[quote=firstdown;467506]Biden is irreplaceable in the senate? Ok, if you say so.[/quote]

For the Democratic caucus and the state of Delaware he's a powerhouse senator. A 30 Year senator who voted against the war is irreplaceable. You can toss in Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd in that category too. These are folks that don't have to cover their own asses like most senators for political gains (i.e. Hillary).

Edit: I stand corrected, Biden voted for the war.

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[quote=saden1;467543]For the Democratic caucus and the state of Delaware he's a powerhouse senator. A 30 Year senator who voted against the war is irreplaceable. You can toss in Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd in that category too. These are folks that don't have to cover their own asses like most senators for political gains (i.e. Hillary).[/quote]
So if you have power and can take pork spending to the next level then its OK with you. I believe that all these guys need to go and not make a career out of waisting tax payers money and building power off my tax money. I'm not just talking about Dems here I'm talking all. Byrd is a great example of a man who spent way to much time in Washington waisting my money for his pork projects which made him powerful.

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So this is what "Change" looks like? :D :D :D

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You guys are hopeless. So if Obama picked someone who isn't from Washington you'd say "it's an inexperienced ticket" and if he picked someone who has experience you'd say "so this is what change looks like?" Republicans, the ultimate hatters!

Obama is going to be the president and there's nothing wrong with getting advice from someone with experience.

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[quote=saden1;467593]You guys are hopeless. So if Obama picked someone who isn't from Washington you'd say "it's an inexperienced ticket" and if he picked someone who has experience you'd say "so this is what change looks like?" Republicans, the ultimate hatters!

Obama is going to be the president and there's nothing wrong with getting advice from someone with experience.[/quote]
Well when your platform is change and you bring in one of the biggest pork barrell spenders then thats not change. Pointing out experience v/s no experience and that kind of stuff is how elections go and is done by both parties. Its no different then the Dem's associating McCain to Bush and saying just another 4 years of Bush. Whats the deal with you saying Republicans the ultimate haters? I guess you don't read some of your own post and read what you say about Republcans or maybe the aproach of personal attacks from the left is how things go.

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I'm not fan of pork so you won't see me defend that but to suggest that Biden is "one of biggest pork barrel spenders" [URL="http://www.cagw.org/site/DocServer/Senate_-_dollar.pdf?docID=3024"]is a vicious lie[/URL]. I would recommend you check out the [URL="http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2008"]Pig Book[/URL] before regurgitating stuff being put out there to tear him down.

As for my comment on Republicans, I stand by it. I'm sorry but the Republican as I see it is guns, gays, greed and god. That is to say, I whole heartedly believe it to be complete trash. A used tampon is less odious.