Todd Collins: Best Backup QB in the NFL?
 

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/08/26/backups/index.html]Ranking each team's No. 2 quarterback - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

Seriously, has this clown [I]seen[/I] any of our games this preseason?

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That's right ... Superbowl, here we come!

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remember how he played last preseason? and then what happened once he took over for Campbell? that's right, Todd, you the man:)

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I for one am pretty damn happy he's our back up!

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We could definitely be worse off than ol' TC, but best in the NFL? I'm thinking there's at least 5-10 better out there.

Now, I'd say TC is definitely the best in an Al Saunders' system, but that's not the case anymore...

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Yeah if Saunders were still here, I'd agree. But he's not.

I'd still put TC in the top 10 though, if not top 5.

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Despite his "struggles" his numbers are pretty good this preseason especially considering he works mainly with the backups. I'm pretty confident that if called upon #15 would be solid.

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I'd have to rank Trent Green, concussions and all, higher. He's back w/ Al Saunders and he knows the system.

TC is top10 no doubt, maybe top 5, but i have a hard time believing he's the best backup out there. TC has had an OK preseason but i'm not sure he fits into an offense like this. TC is like a statue back there. If he would only sense the pocket collapsing and step up or move around a little. The accuracy is there, the mobility not so much.

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Well hey give the guy some credit he did know we are now running a WC offense. Maybe he has seen the way JC is holding the ball and taking hits so he thinks Todd has the #1 chance of seeing playing time.

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It's funny, whenever one of our player gets some nice props people want to knock them down. But whenever we feel they got "dissed" we're up in arms over it. You just can't win.

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The fact that Colt Brennan isn't listed #1 clearly demonstrates his lack of knowledge.

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I am a TC believer but I think the notion that he can execute the WCO better than Campbell is foolish. He is immobile and straight away that is a key compenent of the offense. I have a firm belief that in a pinch he can win us games but that is predicated on a belief that Zorn can gameplan the offense to fit Collins' strengths. If Campbell can just get some confidence he is going to be good. Right now he doesn't seem confident enough to make some of the throws that he can surely make which is why he seems to hold the ball too long. He's gotta drop back. Find the little opening and slam it in rather than waiting for a wide open reciever.

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Wow, so many former Redskins playing second fiddle.

Gus Frerotte, Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, Brad Johnson, Sage Rosenfels, and Trent Green.

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I think TC is a top 5 back-up. But the best back-up in the NFL is Kerry Collins. I think he's better than half the current starters in the league. He's better than the starter on his own team! I just don't understand why a team like Baltimore doesn't just go out and get a guy like Kerry Collins.

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you had to go and bring up Patrick Ramsey, didnt you?

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[quote=Mattyk72;467942]It's funny, whenever one of our player gets some nice props people want to knock them down. But whenever we feel they got "dissed" we're up in arms over it. You just can't win.[/quote]

It's about being right, not about feeling slighted.

TC is not the best backup QB in the NFL; it's a straight-up disagreement with Don Banks. That's all it is.

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im with you schneed..collins wins games that were a TOTAL team effort, if JC was in there i have no doubts he could have rallied the troops as well.
I think collins did a great job AFTER gibbs gave up the reins to saunders and let him call the offense...but if i was in the same offense for 11 years id hope to have a damn good knowledge of it too..
call me a pessimist. but i think tc is not that great in a new system..hes been a career backup for a reason

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[quote=Schneed10;467948]It's about being right, not about feeling slighted.

TC is not the best backup QB in the NFL; it's a straight-up disagreement with Don Banks. That's all it is.[/quote]

It's just his opinion against ours.

Not sure how anyone can be proven right in this case.

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[quote=saden1;467945]Wow, so many former Redskins playing second fiddle.

Gus Frerotte, Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, Brad Johnson, Sage Rosenfels, and Trent Green.[/quote]

Poor Brunell.... I wish him the best.

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[quote=Mattyk72;467955]It's just his opinion against ours.

Not sure how anyone can be proven right in this case.[/quote]

Yeah I'm with ya, I don't think anybody's trying to prove their case. You can probably show stats to support one's opinion on the matter, but in the end it's just a debate on opinions.

I was just responding to your post saying "you just can't win." It's not about winning with me as a writer, at least in my case. I'm not looking for an opinion to prop up the 'Skins. I'm just looking for good opinions, and I don't agree with Banks here.

But it's splitting hairs really, because I do like TC a lot and do think we have one of the better backups in the league. I just can't get too carried away with five starts where the line finally jelled and the WRs finally got healthy. In the minds of the national media (at least in the mind of Banks), Collins went from an unknown assumed to be a bum in 2006 to the best backup in the league after 2007. Both assessments are on the extreme end of reality, IMO.

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dude i bet brunell was glad to get out of here..he made a ton of money and never felt any love from the fans.

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Hey it could be worse, we could have David Carr, Alex Smith, or Chris Redman as our backups. LOL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;467942]It's funny, whenever one of our player gets some nice props people want to knock them down. But whenever we feel they got "dissed" we're up in arms over it. You just can't win.[/quote]


Well one thing we can agree on Matty is the receivers arent up in arms... Of course that is because we are still in need of a tall receiver like Joe Horn (see other thread)...if our short receivers are up in arms we just cant see them

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what we need is to just paralyze eli....that will allay all our fears of a spurrier repeat

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;467943]The fact that Colt Brennan isn't listed #1 clearly demonstrates his lack of knowledge.[/QUOTE]

I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins.

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[quote=WaldSkins;467986]I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

[B]In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins[/B].[/quote]

Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.

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i think there are a few peopl eout there that are better than collins,
brady quinn, seneca wallace, lienart, griese, etc etc...the list goes on.
I do think colt is the man tho. I kno wi know hes a rook....nothing proven...but you just get that feeling sometimes

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[quote=skinsfan69;467946]I think TC is a top 5 back-up. But the best back-up in the NFL is Kerry Collins. I think he's better than half the current starters in the league. He's better than the starter on his own team! I just don't understand why a team like Baltimore doesn't just go out and get a guy like Kerry Collins.[/quote]I think there are a lot of good backups in the NFL, but I don't think Kerry Collins is one of them. He might be better than Young right now though, he was last year.

But I do agree with you that if Baltimore wanted a short term fix at QB (which is what they did with McNair), they could have gone out and got a Brunell, or a Kerry Collins, or a Griese, or a Leftwich, or a Culpepper, or a Sage Rosenfels, and they would be the overwhelming favorites in the AFC North. Not all of those guys are particularly great passers, but they are all known quantities who could win on a team with that kind of defense.

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[quote=Mattyk72;467989]Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.[/quote]I share WaldSkins opinion, but I don't know if I have a particularly great defense for that position. I would argue that being better than Todd Collins is exactly what I would expect from any 1st round pick in his 2nd year, and Brady Quinn is probably a special case in that he was the most complete prospect coming out of college in recent memory.

That, and I think a lot of people (Don Banks included) are tricking themselves into thinking that seeing that 7 good halves of football plus a shaky playoff game means that Todd Collins is a top of the line quarterback. He probably isn't, and he's on film now. We simply don't have any sort of significant sample on Todd Collins other then enough to say that the people (like me) who thought he didn't belong in the NFL were probably wrong.

Banks is making a big guess on Collins' future to rank him No. 1. I really hope we don't have to find out whether last year was for real or not.

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i hope so too..im ready for jasons reign to begin...he deserves it. I just want the redskins to have a franchise qb is that such a big thing to ask for?

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Banks's list is horrible in other places also. I mean, it seems to be full of bias because young QBs with similar career projection are spread out all over the list and past-their prime vets are spread out as well. Why is Trent Green 7, and Mark Brunell 18. They are the same old, injury-riddled, still-efficient-when-healthy passer. Yet, 10 spots apart.

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I don't care for Banks at all. I don't know what it is about him, maybe his history of misinformed columns that target the Redskins that I don't believe him to be an impartial journalist.

With that said, I think his choice of Collins as the best backup in the NFL is misguided because it's simply not the same offense and while I think Collins wouldn't kill us if forced to play, he's simply not as comfortable (to my surprise) in this offense.

Further, it seemed to me that Banks wasn't praising Collins as much as he was ripping the Redskins and implying there was dissension within the organization for Campbell being the starter.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;467989]Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.[/QUOTE]

Yes a hunch. Although not seen yet in real NFL action, preseason can be used as a tool to see a players strengths. Quinn has the mobility,arm, and strength that Collins does not Posses. And I like a quarterback who gets the ball out on time.

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Lets just say what we all want...that colt brennan is the true best backup in the league!

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[quote=GTripp0012;467999]I think there are a lot of good backups in the NFL, but I don't think Kerry Collins is one of them. He might be better than Young right now though, he was last year.

But I do agree with you that if Baltimore wanted a short term fix at QB (which is what they did with McNair), they could have gone out and got a Brunell, or a Kerry Collins, or a Griese, or a Leftwich, or a Culpepper, or a Sage Rosenfels, and they would be the overwhelming favorites in the AFC North. Not all of those guys are particularly great passers, but they are all known quantities who could win on a team with that kind of defense.[/quote]

Collins has several good things still going for him. Big arm, he can make all the throws, he's durable, he's shown he can take a team to the Super Bowl and he's pretty accurate. He just can't get out of his own way. He needs a great line in front of him.

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holy shit, i feel like im sitting in the middle of a kindergarden class as i read this. Does it really matter if he is THE best? Or isnt it good enough to know that as Matty said that someone is giving some props. Some of you put a whole lot of thought into your replys. And Im thinking to myself......hmmmm, this is a article about back-up QB's, and its like, oh nevermind, Im just gonna go finish my leftover chinese dinner. Matty your 100% right, you just cant win either way.

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[quote=skinsfan69;468054]Collins has several good things still going for him. Big arm, he can make all the throws, he's durable, he's shown he can take a team to the Super Bowl and he's pretty accurate. He just can't get out of his own way. He needs a great line in front of him.[/quote]Collins also throws the ball away way too much...and takes way too many sacks (offensive line issues noted) for a guy who throws away as many passes as he does. Case in point, he's thrown a completion % of 60 or higher once in his career (excluding last years 82 attempts).

That's fine if he's consistently beating his completion percentage with his TD/INT ratio...but he isn't. He's 1 to 1 for his career (174 TDs, 172 INTs). The thrown away passes aren't preventing Collins from getting picked off...they're just stalling the offense.

He did well in relief of Young last year, and you could do worse to have Kerry Collins as your backup quarterback, but most teams have done better, IMO.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;468065]holy shit, i feel like im sitting in the middle of a kindergarden class as i read this. Does it really matter if he is THE best? Or isnt it good enough to know that as Matty said that someone is giving some props. Some of you put a whole lot of thought into your replys. And Im thinking to myself......hmmmm, this is a article about back-up QB's, and its like, oh nevermind, Im just gonna go finish my leftover chinese dinner. Matty your 100% right, you just cant win either way.[/quote]Fair enough, it's probably not worth the effort, but your demographic on this site is football fanatics: I don't know why you would expect anything different.

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Who cares who the best backup is? The season is 8 days away, please pull up your skirt and get ready for some football.

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I dont know where to rank Collins now that we have a new offense,before last yr would anybody have ranked him in the top 10? He might not have made the top 20 cut. Being in Houston I've got to see a lot of Sage and he would be my top backup,He's outplayed Schaub every opportunity hes gotten