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Terrible news, this jerk deserves to be in jail.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3557979]ESPN - Cowboys told Pacman will be reinstated for opener - NFL[/url]

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This doesn't concern me, this clown isn't anywhere near an "elite" db. He's an above average punt returner who know one would even care about it if he didn't make headlines off the field.

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I lived just outside of Dallas for 10 years. It is the type of area where gangsters are glorified. I'm not sure Jones will be able to resist the temptation in that city.

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[QUOTE=BugelDisciple;468564]Terrible news, this jerk deserves to be in jail.

He dont deserve to be in jail unless you actually commit a serious crime..... he did his time let him play......he might actually turn it around.......what do you care there no money out your pocket?

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ehh its expected. He will definitely help them but i agree, cant change a dogs spots

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;468568]This doesn't concern me, this clown isn't anywhere near an "elite" db. He's an above average punt returner who know one would even care about it if he didn't make headlines off the field.[/quote]


Sorry but Im going to have to disagree... Id say hes pretty damn close to being an elite corner and easily a top five returner...

Thug or not. The cowboys got a steal with him. As a Skins fan I can only hope he blows his chance on a strippers face and get suspended again...or he ruins team chemistry. Because on the field the guy can flat out play

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;468582]Sorry but Im going to have to disagree... Id say hes pretty damn close to being an elite corner and easily a top five returner...

Thug or not. The cowboys got a steal with him. As a Skins fan I can only hope he blows his chance on a strippers face and get suspended again...or he ruins team chemistry. Because on the field the guy can flat out play[/quote]

I will second this opinion. Before he was suspended he was just starting to step his game up & live up to his draft status. I remember that draft, I was hoping we picked him. He was gone by our pick & we got Rogers.

He might not be a "shut down corner" but in reality there's only a couple of them. I think w/him & the rookie from S. Fla they could be really tough. Their front 7 has had the talent for a while, they just haven't put it together. I hate to say it, but dallas may end up w/the best D in the league, especiallly if Pacman, Anthony spencer & Z. Thomas can give them something.

Somebody get down there & send him some enticing strippers, the rest will take care of itself. Maybe he'll take one of his boys down w/him.

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He hasn't looked that great so far this preseason, that's for sure. There's no denying Dallas got great value for that pick, assuming he stays on the right side of the law. IMO, he's far overrated as a corner.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;468582]As a Skins fan I can only hope he blows his chance on a strippers face and get suspended again...or he ruins team chemistry. [/quote]

....errrr.... cringe....

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I don't care how he plays ,this is a dark day for the NFL and the commis should be fired!Pac man is scum!:rant:

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[quote=freddyg12;468589]I will second this opinion. Before he was suspended he was just starting to step his game up & live up to his draft status. I remember that draft, I was hoping we picked him. He was gone by our pick & we got Rogers.

He might not be a "shut down corner" but in reality there's only a couple of them. I think w/him & the rookie from S. Fla they could be really tough. Their front 7 has had the talent for a while, they just haven't put it together. I hate to say it, but dallas may end up w/the best D in the league, especially if Pacman, Anthony spencer & Z. Thomas can give them something.

Somebody get down there & send him some enticing strippers, the rest will take care of itself. Maybe he'll take one of his boys down w/him.[/quote]

Great post man really good points totally agree, the fact is that in paper the defense looks impressive and we did got a steel with Pacman if he stays out of trouble we finally have technically a great secondary but it all'comes down to the system and if the players play well together.

Right now we have individually a great defense but this is a team sport and to be a great defense they need to play like a team and we wont know that until the season starts.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;468616]I don't care how he plays ,this is a dark day for the NFL and the commis should be fired!Pac man is scum!:rant:[/QUOTE]

I don't think he has much room for error here. Hopefully this guy has changed his life, and not just for the NFL. If he gets pulled for a busted tail light, dude is probably going to be gone. But, I don't think this is the last Pacman thread we'll see.

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This is complete garbage. The Cowboys knew they had the influence over the NFL to get him reinstated so they "gambled" on this high risk player.

There is NO reason this guy should be on an NFL field. I wish him ruptures of every tendon and/or ligament in all joints and/or extremities. The commisioner wanted to prove himself tough but will let S like this slide???? The guy is a pushover.

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Quote from YAHOO article:
[COLOR="DarkRed"]“[B][I]There’s no sure thing in life. It’s nice to finally get the affirmation for all the hard work he’s put in[/I][/B],” Arora said, after speaking to Jones. “The rest is up to him. It’s time to play football. He’s a very motivated player. … I think he’s matured greatly through this. He has a good head on his shoulders. He should be fine.”[/COLOR]


Oh Great!...He hasn't requested that anybody be shot within the last (Looking at my watch) couple months. Let's reward him by letting him play because he hasn't committed a felony recently.

The work he needed to do should have been done way before the incrimiating incident took place. His lack of effort in that time is what should be counted and not his sudden change in criminal aptitude.

This really grates me if you can't tell.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;468582]Sorry but Im going to have to disagree... Id say hes pretty damn close to being an elite corner and easily a top five returner...

Thug or not. The cowboys got a steal with him. As a Skins fan I can only hope he blows his chance on a strippers face and get suspended again...or he ruins team chemistry. Because on the field the guy can flat out play[/QUOTE]

I agree. He is a few months from being in top form but when he is on his game he is one of the best pure cover corners in the game.

With T.Newman, Dallas has a great CB tandem. I my opinion, Only Denver and GB have better starting corners.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;468582]Sorry but Im going to have to disagree... Id say hes pretty damn close to being an elite corner and easily a top five returner...

Thug or not. The cowboys got a steal with him. As a Skins fan I can only hope he blows his chance on a strippers face and get suspended again...or he ruins team chemistry. Because on the field the guy can flat out play[/QUOTE]

I agree, Pacman is a young and talented football player. He is a diffrence maker at a position (CB)that is very important. This move by itself is significant, when you add in all the other shrewd moves, like Tank Johnson and thier drafts, the Cowboys defense on paper is the most talented in the NFC. Of course as we Redskins fans learned the hard way during Snyder's crazy spending sprees in the early 2000's, talent on paper does not always translate on the field.
Their defense just took a big step with the addition of Pacman, he is that good. It gives your defense so much more room to blitz and overload the line of scrimmage when you can cover man to man well. Ask Greg Williams.

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Found this on PFT:

[B][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/28/trouble-predicted-for-pacman/"]TROUBLE PREDICTED FOR PACMAN[/URL][/B]

Posted by Mike Florio on August 28, 2008, 3:06 p.m.

Though Cowboys cornerback Pacman Jones has stayed out of trouble long enough to secure full reinstatement to the NFL, one league source with knowledge of the situation in Dallas has expressed to us an opinion that Pacman is on the path to more problems.

“My money is Pacman gets in trouble by Week Six,” the source opined, explaining that Pacman has been going out to clubs and “acting like a fool” during the past few weeks.

The challenge for the Cowboys will be to protect Pacman from himself for as long as Pacman is on the team. To date, the Cowboys have been generally successful in this regard; they’re still the only team in the NFL that hasn’t had an incident involving the long arm of the law since we started tracking arrests on a daily basis.

Then again, maybe they’re due.

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[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;468621]This is complete garbage. The Cowboys knew they had the influence over the NFL to get him reinstated so they "gambled" on this high risk player.

There is NO reason this guy should be on an NFL field. I wish him ruptures of every tendon and/or ligament in all joints and/or extremities. The commisioner wanted to prove himself tough but will let S like this slide???? The guy is a pushover.[/QUOTE]

WOW! would you feel the same if this was your kid, and someone made the same commit........????????

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[quote=DarkKnight;468572][quote=BugelDisciple;468564]Terrible news, this jerk deserves to be in jail.

He dont deserve to be in jail unless you actually commit a serious crime..... he did his time let him play......he might actually turn it around.......what do you care there no money out your pocket?[/quote]

so leaving a man doing his job permenantly paralyzed is only worth a 4 game suspension?

being a thug and hanging out with drug dealers is okay by you?

sorry, but we're going to have to disagree on this one.

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[quote=DarkKnight;469031]WOW! would you feel the same if this was your kid, and someone made the same commit........????????[/quote] I know one thing this is a bad guy so he should do well in Dallas. Keep your kids and women inside during football season in Texas. The question is when will he blow it again?

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[quote=DarkKnight;469031]WOW! would you feel the same if this was your kid, and someone made the same commit........????????[/quote]

If this was my kid than hopefully I would have instilled some semblence of right and wrong.

If he chooses to ignore that and operate on his own code than he should be subjected to the perils of his actions.


...in other words, my opinions are not swayed by biased external factors. Relation or not, when you make a bed you have to lie in it.

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[COLOR=darkred]IRVING, Texas (AP)—Adam “Pacman” Jones [B]let out an excited scream when he got the news he had waited so long to hear.[/B][/COLOR]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowboys-pacmanreinstated&prov=ap&type=lgns"][COLOR=blue]Pacman knows he's not through proving himself - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/COLOR][/URL]

Why would you be excited at all if you were reinstated?...I get the idea that he's a football player and he'll get to play his favorite game, but if he had any remorse for the reason he was suspended in the first place he wouldn't be that happy.

The guy is excited that he got one over on the league and the commisioner himself. Even though good things are happening to him he should at least be thinking about the severity of the situation that got him suspended in the first place.

Save your glee because the guy confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life still can't walk but you can play football...and Pacman thinks justice is served...DBAG!

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[quote=DarkKnight;469031]WOW! would you feel the same if this was your kid, and someone made the same commit........????????[/quote]

Why would you sympathize/empathize with this piece of shit? At what point in your mind is it safe to assume someone has demonstrated a complete lack of character, judgment, regard for human life and common effing decency? Don't give me this "hasn't been convicted" b.s. either. Pleading down to a lesser charge or hiring a high-priced lawyer to get your ass out of a jam is NOT the same as innocent.

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he did his time let the man be. we are not his judge or jury but everyone is entitled to their opinions on the matter aswell.

id rather have a person learn from their mistakes and become a better person than go eye for an eye and have them rot in jail.

Pacman is not the first defensive player in the nfc east who was part of a group shooting at others . . . hit or miss the intention is the same.

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[quote=over the mountain;469163]he did his time let the man be. we are not his judge or jury but everyone is entitled to their opinions on the matter aswell.

id rather have a person learn from their mistakes and become a better person than go eye for an eye and have them rot in jail.

[B]Pacman is not the first defensive player in the nfc east who was part of a group shooting at others . . . hit or miss the intention is the same[/B].[/quote]

What are you trying to say because I don't think I like it.

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[quote=That Guy;469053][quote=DarkKnight;468572]

so leaving a man doing his job permenantly paralyzed is only worth a 4 game suspension?

being a thug and hanging out with drug dealers is okay by you?

sorry, but we're going to have to disagree on this one.[/quote]
So based on your post here, are we to assume that he should be permanently banned?

With that in mind are you saying that if one gets three moving violation trafficc tickets, they should loose thier drives license for life? There are no second chances in your world are there?

And would it have been fair and just had the NFL suspended Sean Taylor when he got into his legal troubles in Florida and couple years ago?

I do not condone the associations and affiliations of Jones's past, what matters is what he is doing today, and tomorrow.

A wise man once said "A catipillar is an ugly thing, but he will change".

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[quote=sandtrapjack;469210][quote=That Guy;469053]
So based on your post here, are we to assume that he should be permanently banned?

With that in mind are you saying that if one gets three moving violation trafficc tickets, they should loose thier drives license for life? There are no second chances in your world are there?

And would it have been fair and just had the NFL suspended Sean Taylor when he got into his legal troubles in Florida and couple years ago?

I do not condone the associations and affiliations of Jones's past, what matters is what he is doing today, and tomorrow.

A wise man once said "A catipillar is an ugly thing, but he will change".[/quote]

Are you seriously drawing a parallel between setting events in motion which lead to lifetime paralysis (which often leads to premature death) and getting a speeding ticket? Trap, I've got no issue with you being a 'Boys fan on this board, you've always acquitted yourself well, but you are so far off base it's not even funny.

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to add to my previous post- if you show no regard for life- Pacman, Leonard Little, Mike Vick, Dennis Northcutt- [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/08/27/jags.northcutt.ap/index.html"]if the reports are true[/URL]- have no business playing a down in the NFL again. Maybe it's harsh, but setting such a consistent example is the only way to get through to these clowns for whom money and fame are the only "qualities" that matter.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;469211][quote=sandtrapjack;469210]

Are you seriously drawing a parallel between setting events in motion which lead to lifetime paralysis (which often leads to premature death) and getting a speeding ticket? Trap, I've got no issue with you being a 'Boys fan on this board, you've always acquitted yourself well, but you are so far off base it's not even funny.[/quote]
Not my intent to draw any parallel's in that regard, I was merely trying to establish a comparison based on proportionate penalties to offenses.

But again the same could have been said about the events that lead up to Sean Taylor's transgressions in Miami a couple of years ago. He was obviously involved in, be it directly or indirectly, the felonious actions involving a firearm. He pled to a lesser charge. Jones did the same thing, and is assisting in the identification of the actual assailant.

So would it have been fair and just for the league to suspend Sean Taylor?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;469178]What are you trying to say because I don't think I like it.[/quote]

i dont like it either but im not going to wear a burgundy blindfold . . .no one is wrong in their opinion on this subjective subject of crime and punishment. i think pacman should be able to play this year and do not wish him injury, others think otherwise and i respect that too.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;469242]
Not my intent to draw any parallel's in that regard, I was merely trying to establish a comparison based on proportionate penalties to offenses.

But again the same could have been said about the events that lead up to Sean Taylor's transgressions in Miami a couple of years ago. He was obviously involved in, be it directly or indirectly, the felonious actions involving a firearm. He pled to a lesser charge. Jones did the same thing, and is assisting in the identification of the actual assailant.

[B]So would it have been fair and just for the league to suspend Sean Taylor?[/B][/quote]

Sean Taylor was the one who was robbed, he didn't show up at a strip club with trash bags full of money, incite a riot and [I]allegedly[/I] order his body guard to take out a bouncer.

...but to answer your question, if the circumstances were similar, then clearly, YES he should have received the same punishment as Pac Man.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;469332]

Sean Taylor was the one who was robbed, [B]he didn't show up at a strip club with trash bags full of money,[/B] incite a riot and [I]allegedly[/I] order his body guard to take out a bouncer.

...but to answer your question, if the circumstances were similar, then clearly, YES he should have received the same punishment as Pac Man.[/quote]
True, ST did not show up with "bags of money" but he did show up at the alleged perpetrators house brandishing a gun.

'Nuff said, I withdraw my comparison to ST, it is not right of me to speak ill of him under the circumstances and for that I apologize. But I hope you understand my point regardless.

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The way you guys use the quote function, it looks like you're talking to yourselves

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It's been different recently, I haven't modded the code...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;469110]Why would you sympathize/empathize with this piece of shit? At what point in your mind is it safe to assume someone has demonstrated a complete lack of character, judgment, regard for human life and common effing decency? Don't give me this "hasn't been convicted" b.s. either. Pleading down to a lesser charge or hiring a high-priced lawyer to get your ass out of a jam is NOT the same as innocent.[/quote]


If you wanna know! 1st he's never been convicted of a crime to....having bags of money going into a strip club is not against the law, and being a asshole isnt either, its bad manners, and Police hasn't tied him to ordering any hits on any body guards....peace of shit or not.......he served his time out the 21months, and did all the right things.......DONT GET ME WRONG, I HATE THE COWBOYS....THE JESERY, BUT NOT A PERSON.... and if you could afford the best lawyer money could by, you wouldn't settle for a punk ass court-oppointed. last time i checked, guilty is guilty and innocent is innocent, whether any agree are not.......if he blows it this time....then hey, if he does ok.......even better

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[quote=DarkKnight;468572][QUOTE=BugelDisciple;468564]Terrible news, this jerk deserves to be in jail.

He dont deserve to be in jail unless you actually commit a serious crime..... he did his time let him play......he might actually turn it around.......what do you care there no money out your pocket?[/quote]

ty, and yes hes going to be a huge part of our defense and kick off and punt returns.

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[quote=DarkKnight;469457]If you wanna know! 1st he's never been convicted of a crime to....having bags of money going into a strip club is not against the law, and being a asshole isnt either, its bad manners, and Police hasn't tied him to ordering any hits on any body guards....peace of shit or not.......he served his time out the 21months, and did all the right things.......DONT GET ME WRONG, I HATE THE COWBOYS....THE JESERY, BUT NOT A PERSON.... and if you could afford the best lawyer money could by, you wouldn't settle for a punk ass court-oppointed. last time i checked, guilty is guilty and innocent is innocent, whether any agree are not.......if he blows it this time....then hey, if he does ok.......even better[/quote]

if Pacman blows it, weve got enough DB's just in case. :cool-smil

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[quote=Skinny Tee;468621]This is complete garbage. The Cowboys knew they had the influence over the NFL to get him reinstated so they "gambled" on this high risk player.

There is NO reason this guy should be on an NFL field. I wish him ruptures of every tendon and/or ligament in all joints and/or extremities. The commisioner wanted to prove himself tough but will let S like this slide???? The guy is a pushover.[/quote]

and u can live with yourself for saying such things? i despise your team, but i would NEVER EVER wish an injury on another player, no matter who he plays for. what u said is BAD KARMA.

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If you despise the skins then get the F outta here. In case you haven't noticed this is a skins forum so take a que from sandtrap or go home. I'm not gonna sit here and have you talkin up the cowboys with no actual thoughtful post given.