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Okay now that this joke of a game is over and I'm slapped back to reality i begin to think. The world is really about to end since My Red Sox is the team to beat and my Skins can barely stay afloat. First things first I'm sorry for all the Joe Gibbs bashing I did last year for time management and stupid play calling. He can't be the idiot who decided to still try to run the ball with 6 minutes left in the game. Second the defense despite missing players and a few playing hurt did an awesome job for stopping the bleeding early. So know to the bashing.

1) Zorn first game as a coach was as expected. I din't expect him to walk on water or turn it into wine but,wtf? The way the plays was called he has no busy being our O.C. let alone our Head Coach. The entire game was third and long because we had predictable runs on first and second. Its like i was watching the computer on John Madden calling plays. Even my 4 year old son asked me why don't they pass?

2) Campbell is turning into the same dink and dunk loser he replaced in Mark Brunell. I thought we picked this kid up because of his strong arm but i didn't see a long pass thrown until the last 2 minutes of the game. He didn't have a terrible game but he did have a predictable one. One that lets the defense cheat and win the game. If he doesn't let the ball go sooner or turn it up Collins or my boy COLT will be breathing down HIS Horsecollar.

3) Santana Moss, dude really.. Hang on to the ball.

4) I think this team is starting to end in the same league as the Cardinals or the Ravens. Every year they trick you with pick-ups that make you believe they might make a run or do good and each year they fold..No better then a wildcard one and done.

So I say i waited seven months for this? Its like the scary movie we've seen five times over. We already know whats going to happen but we butcher ourselves with this crap. The only bright star so far is our defense. Is it early yes. But we have so much to fix to make a real run.

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Dude you took the words right out of my mouth. Dink and dunk. I couldn't of said it better myself. JC plays scared. I just don't think he is our future. All kidding aside (yes you all know who i'm going to say) Colt has that presence about him. Campbell never wowed me. Ever. Mother fucking EVER!!. Yes he had O.K. games but he has never had a 4 touchdown type game. You know what i'm sick of this shit i'm going to bed.

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I'm just waiting for the excuses. New offense, rookie head coach, we have to be patient, it's only the first game ... blah, blah, blah.

All this is regardless of schemes or new offensive systems:

1) We still have no playmakers at receiver. At least two passes bounced off the hands of Santana Moss and James Thrash, and Randle El gets us two false start penalties. Nobody gets open when we need them to. We haven't had a knockout punch at wideout since 2005, and three years later, we still don't.

2) With or without Jansen, this offensive line suddenly forgot how to pass block.

3) Griffin, Golston and Montgomery are looking very ordinary against the run.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;472473]Dude you took the words right out of my mouth. Dink and dunk. I couldn't of said it better myself. JC plays scared. I just don't think he is our future. All kidding aside (yes you all know who i'm going to say) Colt has that presence about him. Campbell never wowed me. Ever. Mother fucking EVER!!. Yes he had O.K. games but he has never had a 4 touchdown type game. You know what i'm sick of this shit i'm going to bed.[/quote]

He never won the Starting Qb job. Its was given to him. He isn't the kind of Qb that can torch you and the defense knows that. Thats why they cheat and put eight in the box. Until we open the entire field we'll risk Clinton and our recievers on small gain plays.

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it seemed me to me that zorn went away from the run real easy

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[quote=Beemnseven;472478]I'm just waiting for the excuses. New offense, rookie head coach, we have to be patient, it's only the first game ... blah, blah, blah.

All this is regardless of schemes or new offensive systems:

1) We still have no playmakers at receiver. At least two passes bounced off the hands of Santana Moss and James Thrash, and Randle El gets us two false start penalties. Nobody gets open when we need them to. We haven't had a knockout punch at wideout since 2005, and three years later, we still don't.

2) With or without Jansen, this offensive line suddenly forgot how to pass block.

3) Griffin, Golston and Montgomery are looking very ordinary against the run.[/quote]


What happened to our big 3 offense pick-ups in this year draft? Thomas had one catch..Hell Cooley didn't get looked at more than once..

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[quote=redskins4lif]it seemed me to me that zorn went away from the run real easy[/quote]

He called two straight runs with about 3 minutes left down two scores.

If anything, he was running too much when time was winding down.

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[quote=redskins4lif;472482]it seemed me to me that zorn went away from the run real easy[/quote]

I thought he stuck with the run too long.

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[quote=redskins4lif;472482]it seemed me to me that zorn went away from the run real easy[/quote]

huh? At one point we had 18 rushes to 6 or 7 passes. All we did is run. Don't get me wrong you have to have a strong running game in order to be successful. But when its 4 minutes left and your down by to scores now isn't the time

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Yes, there were mistakes made, but it's only one game and JZ's first game as a coach. If you guys were like this when Gibbs first coached you would have fired him already. Let's give Zorn a chance, some adjustments and changes need to be made. I think it was a mistake not to sign Deltha O'Neal or Ricky Manning jr.

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LOL! You "fans" make me laugh!

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Sad Sad Sad!!!! If That Was Gibbs We Would Have Won That Game!!! Offense Is Way Behind Defense, Jc Never Had A Chance To Throw Down Field! Rogers Still Cant Catch A Pick! Run D Was Bad... Burress Killed Us, Springs Is Always Hurt, Portis Still Plays Harder Than Any Other Player On Team! We Should Have Won That Game... Eli Looked Very Average, We Will See What This Team Is Made Of Next Sunday Vs N.o.... We Start Off 0-2 And Its Going To B A Long Season Guys!!!

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O And How The Hell Does Cooley Only Have 1 Catch!!!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsguy;472494]LOL! You "fans" make me laugh![/quote]

exactly!!!

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It was a horrible game I hope they start playing A LOT better. I expected to see them play a lot better than they did. I've been a big Colt fan for a few years now and i'd like to see what he can do in a regular season game...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;472495] Portis Still Plays Harder Than Any Other Player On Team! [/quote]

Speaking of Portis I loved the hit he put on Kiwanouka, I wish it would have Pierce instead, the guy has turned into an arrogant PUNK!!

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he played the 4th quarter like they were winning. He literally ran out the clock. For all I know he left the field thinking he won the game!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472501]Speaking of Portis I loved the hit he put on Kiwanouka, I wish it would have Pierce instead, the guy has turned into an arrogant PUNK!![/quote]

I agree 100%!! There wasn't much I enjoyed about this game, but that hit alone was worth the few hours I spent watching the tv!!

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[quote=skinsguy;472494]LOL! You "fans" make me laugh![/quote]

Ahh yes. Criticize poor play by your team, and your not a "real fan."

I suppose if the Redskins lose, nobody's allowed to say anything right?

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I just want to know where are all those people that thought that picking up someone like Randy Moss or Chad Johnson was a bad idea. Once again, JC f'ed big time during this game, but everyone has been talking about the need for a playmaker receiver. Santana Moss is not a playmaker receiver, Plaxico Burress is, so is T.O., so is Randy Moss. The fact that we were throwing to James Thrash at the end of the game, should be a red flag.

Anyway, this game is over and there's another game next week. I hope we learn from these mistakes and I hope the team picks up on things that worked out during the game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;472528]I just want to know where are all those people that thought that picking up someone like Randy Moss or Chad Johnson was a bad idea. Once again, JC f'ed big time during this game, but everyone has been talking about the need for a playmaker receiver. Santana Moss is not a playmaker receiver, Plaxico Burress is, so is T.O., so is Randy Moss. The fact that we were throwing to James Thrash at the end of the game, should be a red flag.

Anyway, this game is over and there's another game next week. I hope we learn from these mistakes and I hope the team picks up on things that worked out during the game.[/quote]

We have 3 guys we picked up in the draft that should contribute during the season, unfortunately not soon enough. They should activate Fred Davis and put him in the mix, after all he had a decent camp, hopefully Thomas and Kelly can start contributing by game 5 or 6.

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[quote=Beemnseven;472523]Ahh yes. Criticize poor play by your team, and your not a "real fan."

I suppose if the Redskins lose, nobody's allowed to say anything right?[/quote]

That's about the only time you do say anything.

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The Redskins picked up where they left off at the end of preseason. We have no offense, which is ironic given that we have an offensive-minded head coach.

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[quote=sancho2613;472500]It was a horrible game I hope they start playing A LOT better. I expected to see them play a lot better than they did. I've been a big Colt fan for a few years now and i'd like to see what he can do in a regular season game...[/quote]


Too early for Colt time MR Packer Backer. JC needs to get into the flow of things with the new look. If he keeps producing crap like tonight, then yeah bring in the kid. Can't write the season off already, it looks dismal right now, but if we waste the Saints on the 14th everything will be cool. That being said we have a lot of work and healing to do before then.

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Gosh I thought we'd look great with a brand new coach and a new offense for everyone to learn. Yea we looked bad but lets get real. We stunk and lost to the super bowl champs 16-7 in our first game of the season.The giants started o-2 last year and won the super bowl. What were people saying about Manning and the Giants then? Look I know we can play a lot better. I believe we will.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472501]Speaking of Portis I loved the hit he put on Kiwanouka, I wish it would have Pierce instead, the guy has turned into an arrogant PUNK!![/quote]

I could'nt agree more. He use to be my favorite player but I lost all respect for him tonight.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472533]We have 3 guys we picked up in the draft that should contribute during the season, unfortunately not soon enough. They should activate Fred Davis and put him in the mix, after all he had a decent camp, hopefully Thomas and Kelly can start contributing by game 5 or 6.[/quote]


I say play more of both of them. Randle El is a bust in my opinion, not much of a playmaker at all. He has had his moments, but not too many. Thrown in these tall kids and let them run. Santana still has long ball threat attached to him, but since the West Coast is shorter passing, thus the very reason we picked him up is negated. Speed is only good for medium to longer routes or should I say it is maximized. As for Thrash? He was at his height in team value during his first run with us(Norv) as the return man and 5th WR, when we had Westbrook, Connelly, Andre Reed, Alvin Harper, etc. He was OK when Brad Johnson was here, but never became a feature WR with us.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;472454]Okay now that this joke of a game is over and I'm slapped back to reality i begin to think. The world is really about to end since My Red Sox is the team to beat and my Skins can barely stay afloat. First things first I'm sorry for all the Joe Gibbs bashing I did last year for time management and stupid play calling. He can't be the idiot who decided to still try to run the ball with 6 minutes left in the game. Second the defense despite missing players and a few playing hurt did an awesome job for stopping the bleeding early. So know to the bashing.

1) Zorn first game as a coach was as expected. I din't expect him to walk on water or turn it into wine but,wtf? The way the plays was called he has no busy being our O.C. let alone our Head Coach. The entire game was third and long because we had predictable runs on first and second. Its like i was watching the computer on John Madden calling plays. Even my 4 year old son asked me why don't they pass?

2) Campbell is turning into the same dink and dunk loser he replaced in Mark Brunell. I thought we picked this kid up because of his strong arm but i didn't see a long pass thrown until the last 2 minutes of the game. He didn't have a terrible game but he did have a predictable one. One that lets the defense cheat and win the game. If he doesn't let the ball go sooner or turn it up Collins or my boy COLT will be breathing down HIS Horsecollar.

3) Santana Moss, dude really.. Hang on to the ball.

4) I think this team is starting to end in the same league as the Cardinals or the Ravens. Every year they trick you with pick-ups that make you believe they might make a run or do good and each year they fold..No better then a wildcard one and done.

So I say i waited seven months for this? Its like the scary movie we've seen five times over. We already know whats going to happen but we butcher ourselves with this crap. The only bright star so far is our defense. Is it early yes. But we have so much to fix to make a real run.[/quote]


1. Agreed on the play calling, but how far in depth can they go into a 2 minute offense etc. during the off-season. By far my biggest problem with the play calling is that they didn't try to get the ball to Cooley early. That would have kept the LB's from being able to roam free for sacks and tackles for losses.

2. JC is not firing on all cylinders. There is something going on behind the scenes. Maybe the footwork zorn has him doing or something. But something isn't right. I'm not calling for, nor will I be calling for his head this season, but it needs to be addressed before next Sunday.

3. Agreed. Santana is starting his Sh*t again. Maybe we should have drafted another small fast wide receiver and got rid of him, instead of picking up to big WR's.

4. I never thought we would be "making a run" this year. Everything is too new. I just hope that the coach and JC, and the rest of the Offense took notes. Because they played horrible ball all game.

Defense: You freaking rock! There was a couple times that I wanted to toss the T.V out the window. Mostly for getting run over by Brandon Jacobs.....but.....dude is freaking huge.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;472495]Sad Sad Sad!!!! If That Was Gibbs We Would Have Won That Game!!! Offense Is Way Behind Defense, Jc Never Had A Chance To Throw Down Field! Rogers Still Cant Catch A Pick! Run D Was Bad... Burress Killed Us, Springs Is Always Hurt, Portis Still Plays Harder Than Any Other Player On Team! We Should Have Won That Game... Eli Looked Very Average, We Will See What This Team Is Made Of Next Sunday Vs N.o.... We Start Off 0-2 And Its Going To B A Long Season Guys!!![/quote]
It looked just like JG's O when he came back, The D while it played weak at times held the Gmen to only 16 points and that with no help from the O.

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It's no surprise we sucked. We sucked in the preseason, that wasn't a mirage (I tried to tell ya!). And there's historical precedent: Hasselbeck took a long time to play decently in this offense too.

Expecting the passing game to hit the groud running was entirely unrealistic. We have to try to win with Portis and defense, and hope our passing game does just enough to get by.

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I'm tired of hearing about this Colt Brennan bullshit.. JC might be looking rough but he's got 4 years under his belt compared to Colt. I'm sorry but I highly highly highly doubt Colt would be worth a shit right now if he was starting. Its one game we just have to build i guess. Yes i have my doubts also about a lot of things watching this game but lets see what JZ can do

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[quote=GusFrerotte;472545]Too early for Colt time MR Packer Backer. JC needs to get into the flow of things with the new look. If he keeps producing crap like tonight, then yeah bring in the kid. Can't write the season off already, it looks dismal right now, but if we waste the Saints on the 14th everything will be cool. That being said we have a lot of work and healing to do before then.[/quote]

I agree I think It's a little early and like I said before I have nothing against JC and I hope He plays better and beats the Saints but I'd like to see the QB that gives the Skins the best chance to win and from what i've seen so far I don't think it's JC. I think that you have 2 QB's right now that could possibly give you a better chance to win. You never know what QB will get more wins or play better but if JC keeps playing like he played in the preseason and tonight it's time to put in one of the other QB's wether it's Collins or Brennan I think either of them will do a better job and like i said in another thread I might be wrong but that's just my opinion

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Looked like more of the same...

that is a timid, anemic offense coupled with uninspired defense. We are lucky to have only lost by 9.

We need to stretch the field, and call on 47 a bit more

Positive note...It is only the first game...

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The real problem in this game seemed to JC's inability to see where the blitz was coming early and make the correct hot read early enough to distribute the ball. That has a lot to do with the giants aggressive system and masking of the blitz as well as the JCs inexperience in the system. I agree he did look timid and afraid to make a mistake. But the few times he did it right he hit randle el and santana on short crosses leading to big gains. Often on replays it appeared that cooley was open across the middle in holes opened up by blitzing linebackers. As jim zorn said at halftime JC has to stop locking into one option and recognize the opening. Hopefully that will become more frequent as the season progresses and we will turn things around offensively.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;472628]I'm tired of hearing about this Colt Brennan bullshit.. JC might be looking rough but he's got 4 years under his belt compared to Colt. I'm sorry but I highly highly highly doubt Colt would be worth a shit right now if he was starting. Its one game we just have to build i guess. Yes i have my doubts also about a lot of things watching this game but lets see what JZ can do[/quote]

4 years under his belt and what has he done? Lets call a spade a spade..He's a mediocre Qb and will not be the one whom will take us to the next level. Let me ask you. If you know that you will dump your girl in a year would you waste your time and date her or would you move to bigger and better things..the hour glass is flipped and its only a matter before Colt or Collins move in

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[quote=Misterbillysells;472661]The real problem in this game seemed to JC's inability to see where the blitz was coming early and make the correct hot read early enough to distribute the ball. That has a lot to do with the giants aggressive system and masking of the blitz as well as the JCs inexperience in the system. I agree he did look timid and afraid to make a mistake. But the few times he did it right he hit randle el and santana on short crosses leading to big gains. Often on replays it appeared that cooley was open across the middle in holes opened up by blitzing linebackers. As jim zorn said at halftime JC has to stop locking into one option and recognize the opening. Hopefully that will become more frequent as the season progresses and we will turn things around offensively.[/quote]

I agree he did have a lil Brees moment staring down Moss..the first drive six people was hovering cause he wouldn't look off.

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I see this site still has a few trolls, any Irish sightings lately?

Anyways play calling was terrible it was a bad game period. Why you try to establish the run first against the giants is beyond me. We ran the ball until we had to pass which would more then cover JC's average performance for me.

Defense was terrible until we finally for some unknown reason, decided putting pressure on el, should have done it form the beginning. As for CR i think he is a good CB, even though he got raped on one play, the fact that he has a chance at 3 interceptions a game means he is there (maybe I'm the only one who thinks he is a decent corner).

As for throwing to Thrash i bet if the camera panned to the other side of the field moss was triple covered, and lets not act that moss was not wide on the one deep play we did run the O line just had JC scrambling to much to launch a deep ball especially when the whole D is on pass coverage.

Anyways I have not been a fan of ZOrns form the beginning. Also I am no fan of Colt either I say stick with JC untill he starts throwing bad picks like colt will throw and cost us games. Maybe JC develops a little confidence and starts taking more risks that should make a few of you happy.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;472698]4 years under his belt and what has he done? Lets call a spade a spade..He's a mediocre Qb and will not be the one whom will take us to the next level. Let me ask you. If you know that you will dump your girl in a year would you waste your time and date her or would you move to bigger and better things..the hour glass is flipped and its only a matter before Colt or Collins move in[/quote]

4 years of experience? try 3, 4 would be after this year and thats just talking about his time in the NFL. JC has only started 21 games, less then a season and a half. You cant tell me your considering carrying a clip board around the sidelines experience. You sound like a Giants fan talking about Eli 2 years ago, you might be in the wrong forum, check the url. This might be more suitable for you [B][url=http://boards.giants.com/forums/]New York Giants Message Boards - Forums[/url].

[/B]And no I would continue to date that girl for a year because its a sure thing and predictable. Besides she might show me something new and make me change my mind.

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[quote=Redskin;472705]4 years of experience? try 3, 4 would be after this year and thats just talking about his time in the NFL. JC has only started 21 games, less then a season and a half. You cant tell me your considering carrying a clip board around the sidelines experience. You sound like a Giants fan talking about Eli 2 years ago, you might be in the wrong forum, check the url. This might be more suitable for you [B][url=http://boards.giants.com/forums/]New York Giants Message Boards - Forums[/url].

[/B]And no I would continue to date that girl for a year because its a sure thing and predictable. Besides she might show me something new and make me change my mind.[/quote]

And you think that the fans was wrong for throwing stones at Eli? He had four good games last year. He led the lead in interceptions last year. All he had was a playoff run that was much like trent dilfer and the Ravens a few years back. Don't make mistakes and the defense will put you in position to win it. Even today he had happy feet. He's still the same Eli. As for Campbell it is what it is.. If you can play you can play and our boy is mediocre. And any idiot who will stay with a doomed relationship sounds like a loser. And my friend we should hold ourselves to an higher quality. We not just any team.

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[quote=skinsguy;472494]LOL! You "fans" make me laugh![/quote]
How so? Is it the fact that we're(and yes I said WE) tired of such a once great franchise putting us thru year after year of garbage? Just because we don't coddle these men does not make me any less of a fan. I cheer my fuckin heart out for these guys and am sick and tired of having it ripped out by undereachieving. Sorry, I'm just sick of having my fanhood challenged when we suck it up and I comment on it. I'll be the first one to praise when it's warranted and I'll admit when I'm wrong, but let's not sugar coat it. We did not deserve to win tonight, nor have we deserved it in a while