I Want To See The Clinton Portis Of Old
 

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here but I want to see the Clinton Portis of old. This isn't a knock on CP himself, b/c I think he's still the pretty much the same guy. CP has also had some great years here in DC but it's not the same since he's been here. I almost feel like we're wasting his years here. He could be so much more. How many times do we see him just rush into the line w/ no openings for a 3-4 yard gain. Let's see how this year goes, but how about some different run schemes? How about a little innovation? I'm not really sold on JG's run game, after all what did it produce? 4 yards a carry and beat up RB's.

He's as talented a guy as there is in the league, imo. He can run, catch, and pass block like no other.

2002 & 2003 Denver 5.5 yards per carry

2004 to date Was No higher than 4.3 (2005)

We can get into personel, blocking schemes, the passing game and whatever else effects the run game. These are all major factors.

It's the Head Coach's and the FO's job to utilize a players correctly. I think we may have missed a major opportunity w/ CP though. He's not done by any means but he's done a lot of work in the last 5 years.

I want to see the CP of old. The one that rips 50 yard TD's like nothing. That's what I want to see. Am I asking too much?

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CP would have had 100+ easy against the Giants if we had any sort of a passing game to extend drives and take pressure off him.

CP is the least of my concerns right now.

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CP is not the problem. He is the lone bright spot in our offense. JESUS! HELLO!

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[quote=Mattyk72;473761]CP would have had 100+ easy against the Giants if we had any sort of a passing game to extend drives and take pressure off him.

CP is the least of my concerns right now.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head. When teams know the skins cant pass all the focus goes to CP. If JC can figure out how to get the ball out faster CP will be ok.

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Oddly enough I'm with you redsk1 and you too Matty and mredskins. CP is not the problem, however I want to see him being a gamebreaker. I don't think redsk1 is saying CP is the problem, but how we're using him is.

I'm encouraged by what I've seen. The first play of last game, Campbell did get sacked after locking on to the right side. But in the highlight, you can see Portis swinging out to the left all alone. That type of thing, getting Portis out in space, and sustaining drives like matty said, will result in seeing the Portis of old.

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15 more pedestrian games like last week and he will get 1360 yeards for the season.

Almost looking like he will hit 1500 again. Not too shabby at all.

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if i cant have the home run hitting portis i'll gladly take the "hop on my shoulders cuz im carrying this team to the playoffs" portis we were given 2 out of the last 3 years. Add his first year here when he set the skins single season rushing record and im pretty damn happy.

go skins!

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[quote=Kope;473773]15 more pedestrian games like last week and he will get 1360 yeards for the season.

Almost looking like he will hit 1500 again. Not too shabby at all.[/quote]

I feel like he always quietly gets his yards. When the team plays like balls, its hard to focus on him. He had like 84 yds last week which isnt bad.

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CP and Cooley are the two guys I'm least concerned about on this team. If given a decent chance to perform they'll come through.

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[quote=memphisskin;473771]Oddly enough I'm with you redsk1 and you too Matty and mredskins. CP is not the problem, however I want to see him being a gamebreaker. I don't think redsk1 is saying CP is the problem, but how we're using him is.

I'm encouraged by what I've seen. The first play of last game, Campbell did get sacked after locking on to the right side. But in the highlight, you can see Portis swinging out to the left all alone. That type of thing, getting Portis out in space, and sustaining drives like matty said, will result in seeing the Portis of old.[/quote]

Thank You. That's exactly what i was saying. I'm complementing CP in this thread. We've got to utilize him more...and maybe differently.

Yes, 1500 yards is more than "not to shabby," but I'd rather him not acheive it by getting 4 yards a pop. I'd rather him hit 4.5-5 yards a pop a carry less.

But, yes, this is a PRO CP thread.

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[quote=saden1;473780]CP and Cooley are the two guys I'm least concerned about on this team. If given a decent chance to perform they'll come through.[/quote]Well said, but I get what the poster is saying. Portis had numerous runs over 30 yards with Denver, and has had perhaps 3-4 runs of that length in 4 seasons here. I believe that the Denver Zone Blocking scheme allows the runner more freedom to choose the lane to turn the ball upfield, and produces frequent cutback opportunities that play to Portis's strengths. I agree that he's our rock on offense, but he is not the regular home run threat in this running scheme as he was in Denver.

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When you know we cant pass.just stack the line or run blitz.Make the QB beat you we will see how cambell does next week. It does not look good bye the time they bench cambell this season will be over.BUT he WILL be benched at some point

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Bring in brennan!!!what have we got to lose??

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[quote=redskinjim;474010]Bring in brennan!!!what have we got to lose??[/quote]

Nothing except our sanity which is clearly on the way out.

Dude it's been 1 game.

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The bottom line is that the run and pass go hand in hand. You can have a team that is more pass-oriented or vice versa, but if a team can force the opposition to do one or the other, as EVERY team has forced the Skins to do thus far, both run and pass games will suffer. As for Portis, we can't really ask more from him. The guy is a complete warrior on the field. We just have to start trusting in our players to win the game not just managing it to not lose the game.
We have to throw the ball vertically. Once they have to respect the pass and get safties out of the box, C.P. wil be able to do his thing Miami style, but not before

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[quote=redskinjim;474010]Bring in brennan!!!what have we got to lose??[/quote]

Everything!!! Brennan looked good in the pre-season, Brennan also was playing against 3rd & 4th stringer defenses too. Hell Dennis Dixon looked good in the preseason that doesn't mean anything. Do you seriously think Colt could handle 1st string offenses?

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[quote=hucapn;474019]The bottom line is that the run and pass go hand in hand. You can have a team that is more pass-oriented or vice versa, but if a team can force the opposition to do one or the other, as EVERY team has forced the Skins to do thus far, both run and pass games will suffer. As for Portis, we can't really ask more from him. The guy is a complete warrior on the field. We just have to start trusting in our players to win the game not just managing it to not lose the game.
We have to throw the ball vertically. Once they have to respect the pass and get safties out of the box, C.P. wil be able to do his thing Miami style, but not before[/quote]

hucapan wins the New-comer of the month award in my opinion.

Until we have any semblance of a passing game that threatens the fiedl beyond 10 yards we won't run the ball effectively no matter what. Even if we magically find one I am dubious that the play of o-line right now will produce any great efforts without a Hurculean effort from CP each and every play.

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[quote=redskinjim;474010]Bring in brennan!!!what have we got to lose??[/quote]

Thirty Days Mods!

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[quote=FRPLG;474027]hucapan wins the New-comer of the month award in my opinion.

Until we have any semblance of a passing game that threatens the fiedl beyond 10 yards we won't run the ball effectively no matter what. Even if we magically find one I am dubious that the play of o-line right now will produce any great efforts without a Hurculean effort from CP each and every play.[/quote]

Dead on. That's what I'm disappointed about. That's what we were begging JG's to do for 4 years. Go downfield and open things up for everyone. Again, CP has done everything asked of him. I just would like to see some holes for him to run in. That's all I'm saying, in a round about way.

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portis is a beast..a solid 1000 yard rusher every season hes healthier, with the conservative and predictable play calling you cant ask for much more from the guy

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You want to see CP of old? How about supplying him with Alex Gibbs and the Oline he had while in Denver? It's amazing how much easier it is for a back to find space when every defensive lineman is watching out for their knees... Don't misunderstand me, I would NEVER want alex gibbs to coach anyone on this team, the dude CREATES cheap shot artists.

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If we can throw the ball consistently, you will.

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[quote=Mattyk72;473761]CP would have had 100+ easy against the Giants if we had any sort of a passing game to extend drives and take pressure off him.

CP is the least of my concerns right now.[/quote]
He may have had 100 yards but his average would not have been all that impressive...I think that is the direction that this thread was suppose to be going in..."The Clinton Portis Of Old" meaning the home-run hitter from Denver w/ damn near a 6 yard average. He's put up 100 yarder ever since he's been hear while at the same time he's leading the league in carries which means his average will be lower

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Call me crazy but I think the best shot CP has early in the season to break longer runs is w/ misdirection starting in the backfield, which starts w/ Betts and CP in the game together and Zorn actually giving the ball to Betts a handful of times. Our air attack is not going to scare anyone for a while and Betts is a legitimate threat out of the backfield both as a runner and a receiver, so defenses cannot key in on CP alone which is exactly what we saw against NY. Some of those plays were even ridiculous - 8 or 9 defenders all keying on Portis before the snap even.

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[quote=The Goat;474478]Call me crazy but I think the best shot CP has early in the season to break longer runs is w/ misdirection starting in the backfield, which starts w/ Betts and CP in the game together and Zorn actually giving the ball to Betts a handful of times. Our air attack is not going to scare anyone for a while and Betts is a legitimate threat out of the backfield both as a runner and a receiver, so defenses cannot key in on CP alone which is exactly what we saw against NY. Some of those plays were even ridiculous - 8 or 9 defenders all keying on Portis before the snap even.[/quote]I don't think it needs to be that drastic, but some simple Gibbs-style counters would be nice. His big 24 yarder came on a counter.

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[quote=GTripp0012;474483]I don't think it needs to be that drastic, but some simple Gibbs-style counters would be nice. His big 24 yarder came on a counter.[/quote]

Drastic? How many times did we hear Gibbs say he'd like to get them on the field at the same time? I've even heard Zorn mention it a time or two.

I guess the point I'm making is that CP alone in the backfield means the defense, literally the whole f'n defense, is keying on him. Of course this is because the pass does not look like a serious threat at this point. So... put another legit threat in the backfield. Mix it up even. Swap Betts and Sellers part of the time. But the important thing is to give some reps to the other guy. If we just use Betts/Sellers as a decoy for CP (as it seemed Gibbs did a time or two) then the double threat is lost. CP as a decoy for the other will open some lanes initially and start to give the defense different looks.

Personally, I like CP on a dive and Sellers on a sweep - nobody would expect it and I want to see Mike hurdle again:)

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They were on the field at the same time a few plays on Thursday.

All I's sayin' is that we don't need to elaborately use up plays by sending Betts on a misdirection with one fewer blocker just to set up a long Portis run when we could just run misdirection with Portis. I would like to see more of Betts + Portis, but mostly with Betts as a slot receiver. Gibbs was creative enough to put Betts in the slot, Saunders was not, and that minimized his playing time.

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[quote=redsk1;473757]

2002 & 2003 Denver 5.5 yards per carry

2004 to date Was No higher than 4.3 (2005)

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I will admit he can block very well (Just ask Mathias " I am going to accuse Samuels for a dirty play because I got jacked up by Portis" Kiwanuka) and is an outstanding ball carrier top 6-8 in the league.... but I think he should be right at 4.5. A blind man with half a right foot can crank out 5.5+ in Denver.

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If we could have an entire team made up of CP's we'd win every game. The dude's got a heart like Rudy.

Good video of Portis, for all you haters:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05e_PdQEjRA]YouTube - Redskins 2008 Preview- Clinton Portis[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;474485]They were on the field at the same time a few plays on Thursday.

All I's sayin' is that we don't need to elaborately use up plays by sending Betts on a misdirection with one fewer blocker just to set up a long Portis run when we could just run misdirection with Portis. I would like to see more of Betts + Portis, but mostly with Betts as a slot receiver. Gibbs was creative enough to put Betts in the slot, Saunders was not, and that minimized his playing time.[/quote]

Oh.:)

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;474712]If we could have an entire team made up of CP's we'd win every game. The dude's got a heart like Rudy.

Good video of Portis, for all you haters:

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05e_PdQEjRA"]YouTube - Redskins 2008 Preview- Clinton Portis[/URL][/quote]

This is a pro-CP thread. I don't know that there are alot of CP haters. The intention of this thread was to point out that our defensive opponents throw 8-9 people in the box consistenly which limits CP's big runs. I want an offense that will keep the defense honest enough to give CP room to run downfield.

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[quote=redsk1;474724]This is a pro-CP thread. I don't know that there are alot of CP haters. The intention of this thread was to point out that our defensive opponents throw 8-9 people in the box consistenly which limits CP's big runs. I want an offense that will keep the defense honest enough to give CP room to run downfield.[/quote]

I understand it's a pro-CP thread, but there are haters ... trust me. Remember when Betts topped 1K?

Anyways, it's been a little while since we've seen CP break games, and I just wanted to remind people. Plus, I thought that was a good CP vid.

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Yes! I've been wanting the Denver CP for years now, i feel he's been underutilized here. I would love to see him back at 5 yards per carry

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;474737]I understand it's a pro-CP thread, but there are haters ... trust me. Remember when Betts topped 1K?

Anyways, it's been a little while since we've seen CP break games, and I just wanted to remind people. Plus, I thought that was a good CP vid.[/quote]

Great CP vid. When he has a little space...he's one of the best. I like the sweeps and the QB fake left, kickout to CP right (it must have a name, i just don't know it). We need to see a little originality in the run game (on top of some assemblence of a passing game).

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[quote=Skinner;474784]Yes! I've been wanting the Denver CP for years now, i feel he's been underutilized here. I would love to see him back at 5 yards per carry[/quote]

Underutilized? He's racked up a ton of carries here, probably too many in fact. I think he led the league in carries last year.

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People can dream all they want about the Portis of old but he's a different player now. I actually think he's a more complete back now vs when he was in Denver.

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Clinton and I want to see the Clinton of Old.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103216.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[QUOTE]"I can guarantee you there's never been a time a defensive coordinator came into the game and was like: 'Portis, don't worry about Portis. He's not capable of winning this game,' " Portis said. "I guarantee you that. I guarantee you when they turn on the film, they say, 'We stop Portis, we got a great chance.' " [/QUOTE]

Nuff Said.

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[quote=saden1;475261]Nuff Said.[/quote]

Yep, that's about the whole game plan right there. Maybe we can get a passing game cranked up soon.

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A running back is only as good as his offensive line (with the exception of Barry Sanders). Portis gives us 100% on every play, and I doubt many would contest that. So for him to not be hitting 1500 to 2000 yards every season has a lot more to do with the o-line than it does with Portis himself.
I'd like to see us use him more as a receiver out of the backfield, but I think we use him too much on running plays. We had an amazing running game when Betts helped out more. All in all, he's a stud, and I am not worried about him at all. He's one of the few areas that don't need some work.