Poor Devin Thomas
 

Poor Devin Thomas, he gets his first NFL touchdown overturned by a flagrant foul call that had nothing to do with the play. If i was him, i would have started to cry even though Heyer was just retaliating for the way #90 took down Portis two plays earlier.

I dont think that this touchdown should have been overturned and it should have been assessed on the kickoff ala Reggie Bush last week. Thoughts on the call????

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I think it was a piss poor call, plain and simple.

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Well it was a cheap shot no doubt, but it shouldnt have negated the touchdown..

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I think we all agree it was a bad call, but luckily it didn't have any major influence on the game. Bad calls are bad calls and as soon as that flag is thrown there is really nothing we can do about it other than deal with it and move on. Let's just be glad we arn't SD who should have won the game over a blown call.

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Officiating this year has been horrendous. These guys are humans and will make mistakes, but they need to do a better job league-wide.

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Bonehead play by Heyer...

Thomas will still get his TD next week when we light up Dallas.

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Yes but why was it assessed on the play? Shouldnt it have been added to the kickoff. I just thought that it had no effect on the play and shouldnt have cancelled the 6 points. Did the refs call this wrong?

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it was because it was done before the TD wac scored.... IF Thomas had scored the TD, then had he done that, thats when they would have addd it to the kickoff

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I think that it was a clear cheap shot by Heyer. Like 4thGen said if it had happened after the play then it would've been assessed on the kickoff, but unfortunately that's not the way it went down. I immediately felt bad for Thomas, he hasn't had a great start and I think if that touchdown was upheld his confidence would be skyhigh right now and he would be a lot happier person.

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But if it happened during the play, why was it a foul? I thought you are allowed to block during a play, right? He shoved the guy in the chest didn't he?

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stupid ignorant play by heyer which he will no doubt be told time after time this week in
meetings.scoring that td would have hurt the cardinals a lot worse than that 15 yard penalty did.

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Heyer's wallet will be a little light this week after the league takes action.

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Speaking of Devin, you probaboly couldnt see it on TV, but there was one play (this was in the first half), where he was WIDE open in the endzone and Campbell missed it to dump the pass off to Cooley or Sellers...so he potentially could have had two yesterday.

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[quote=GoSkins!;479523]But if it happened during the play, why was it a foul? I thought you are allowed to block during a play, right? He shoved the guy in the chest didn't he?[/quote]

Head shot, to the side of the head.

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[quote=Gmanc711;479535]Speaking of Devin, you probaboly couldnt see it on TV, but there was one play (this was in the first half), where he was WIDE open in the endzone and Campbell missed it to dump the pass off to Cooley or Sellers...so he potentially could have had two yesterday.[/quote]

He was also wide open on a corner route when Campbell decided to sling it in between 3 defenders to ARE.

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[quote=backrow;479538]Head shot, to the side of the head.[/quote]

ohh........ I saw it wrong.... that explains it.

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[quote=4thGenRedskin21;479515]it was because it was done before the TD wac scored.... IF Thomas had scored the TD, then had he done that, thats when they would have addd it to the kickoff[/quote]


Not true because Reggie Bush did his little mocking thing before the TD and his was assed on the kick off. It is BS!

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[quote=Angry;479540]He was also wide open on a corner route when Campbell decided to sling it in between 3 defenders to ARE.[/quote]


The defender pulled off of Thomas when the ball was in the air. Read Campbell's eyes.

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[quote=Gmanc711;479535]Speaking of Devin, you probaboly couldnt see it on TV, but there was one play (this was in the first half), where he was WIDE open in the endzone and Campbell missed it to dump the pass off to Cooley or Sellers...so he potentially could have had two yesterday.[/quote]

I was at the game yesterday....I'm not sure if we're talking about the same play or not but Thomas was wide open down the sideline for an easy TD. JC threw an incompletion on a slant on 3rd down and we ended up punting. I was impressed by Thomas yesterday.

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speaking of wrs,was malcolm kelly even active yesterday?

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[quote=johnerotten;479552]speaking of wrs,was malcolm kelly even active yesterday?[/quote]
No, he was inactive.
As for Thomas being ignored, I don't think JC has any confidence in him to catch the ball. Plus, we don't know if he ran the right route or if JC didn't notice him because he didn't expect him to be there. I will say he needs to get off ST coverage. He seems to be running near the play often but doesn't put his pads on anyone. Plus it would probably speed up his offensive learning curve.

"Not true because Reggie Bush did his little mocking thing before the TD and his was [COLOR=Black]assed[/COLOR] on the kick off. It is BS! " - MRedskins

Taunting is a flagrant foul resulting in a 15 yd penalty but it is always enforced after the play. Unnecessary roughness is a different penalty. And how was he "assed"?

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#1: For some reason I thought it was #50 but ok #90 tackled Portis on the previous play and he tried to grind Portis's helmit into the ground after the play stopped. Portis got up mad and had a few words. I'm sure Portis probably said hey someone help me take him out the next play. The play in question was a play action, Portis ran up the middle and while a O-Lineman was on who I think was #90 Portis blasted him knocking him to the ground. I think he got up and was confronting Portis when Heyer hit him a second time.

#2: I truely believe the shot was clean. Campbell was scrambling to the right and had just released the ball when Heyer hit him. If your arguement is he was not near the ball you might have an arguement but the play was still going on. Part B to my believing it was a clean shot was the fact that Heyer did not hit him from behind he hit him from the D players right side. Yes he knocked him off his feet but it was not a cheap shot simply because the player was not looking at Heyer. Hell they even said on another game that if an interception is thrown everyone looks to take out the QB whether in the play or not.

I for one felt it should have been assessed on the kick off. My biased oppinion I know. I sorta felt that if the foul in any way resulted in us scoring then yes TD does not count but it had no bearing on the play and the play was still taking place meaning Campbell was scrambling and had just released the ball when the contact was made.

I just hope that from now on, on kick offs or punt returns when someone slams into a player from the side they call it unessessary roughness and back them up 15 yrs to half the distance.

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Since everyone seems to be acknowledging that Heyer was looking for some revenge on that hit, I find it a little funny to see that people continue to think it was clean.

I can understand why it was flagged. It took place away from the ball and at that time guys were just kinda standing around when Heyer clocked him. A play like that is bound to draw some attention from the refs, especially if they were aware of the jawing back and forth between Portis and Dockett on previous plays, which I'm sure they were. It's just not a very smart play by Heyer, but that's just my opinion on it.

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It was a cheap shot, a good 10 yards away from the play and from behind. I thought the ball was away and it should have been assessed after the kickoff but since it wasn't a dead ball foul or an unsportsmanlike conduct I guess it had to negate the play. Either way it was pretty stupid, thank goodness we didn't need those 7 points.

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bad move by heyer. bad call by the refs to negate the td. great move by the team to overcome. bad calls are part of the game; it is not an excuse for losing.

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Heyer is a dumb ass for letting his emotions get the best of him. He put his team in a real bad spot on 1st-25. We were very fortunate to get a first down there and keep the drive going. We also got lucky cause Ken W. is a dumb ass too for punting the ball back to us on 4-4 from around mid field. Still shaking my head on that one.

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Ya know, I don't think it was needed but I don't know what would make it illegal. I thought it was strange that no one was chasing down the live play on the D. Campbell was out of the pocket and had the ball, or was releasing it when the hit was made. Live play, I don't want guys just stamding around. Hit somebody.

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I was at the game and didn't see it because well I was looking about 70 yards downfield but from what I understand it was somewhat borderline. Not a smart move on Heyer's part but at least it shows some toughness on our part. I do like that. Now I don't want him to ever do it again but I'll take a win and look at the situation with some positivity. We're not out on the field to get pushed around. Considering that we've wanted Heyer to start getting more aggressive maybe this is just a sign that he is trying to rachet it up a bit.

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Thomas looked alot better. I feel pretty good about him.

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[quote=mredskins;479548]The defender pulled off of Thomas when the ball was in the air. Read Campbell's eyes.[/quote]


He was trailing him when he pulled off though. Thomas had a step or 2

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Speaking of Thomas, I think those PI calls on him are crap.

Do you think TO or hell even Moss would have gotten called for those? I think it's lame you have to "earn" your right to give a little shove (even though I didn't think the first one was a shove at all).

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[quote=Mattyk72;479562][B]Since everyone seems to be acknowledging that Heyer was looking for some revenge on that hit, I find it a little funny to see that people continue to think it was clean[/B].

I can understand why it was flagged. It took place away from the ball and at that time guys were just kinda standing around when Heyer clocked him. A play like that is bound to draw some attention from the refs, especially if they were aware of the jawing back and forth between Portis and Dockett on previous plays, which I'm sure they were. It's just not a very smart play by Heyer, but that's just my opinion on it.[/quote]

The fact that a particular hit is delivered with revenge in mind does not necessarily make it a dirty one. Regardless of motivation, a hit is either delivered within the confines of the rules or it is not. And, based on the exchanges on this thread, there seems to be some difference of opinion as to why the flag was thrown--was it thrown because Heyer's shot was to the head, or because it was delivered so far away from the ball? If the latter, then, as you say, it might ( and I stress "might") be flag-worthy, but it still calls for a clarification of the rules. If a play is still going on, and a hit is delivered to the front of the body of an opposing player, where is the line between "close enough to the play to be legitimate" and "too far away from the play to be legitimate"? The fact is that Heyer, an offensive lineman, threw the hit while his quarterback still had the ball behind the line of scrimmage. If it was clearly to the head, then fine, I'll accept the call. But the opinion from the Fox booth yesterday, and others on this thread, is that it was because it was simply too far away from the football. That, in my opinion, makes the call highly questionable.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;479622]The fact that a particular hit is delivered with revenge in mind does not necessarily make it a dirty one. Regardless of motivation, a hit is either delivered within the confines of the rules or it is not. And, based on the exchanges on this thread, there seems to be some difference of opinion as to why the flag was thrown--was it thrown because Heyer's shot was to the head, or because it was delivered so far away from the ball? If the latter, then, as you say, it might ( and I stress "might") be flag-worthy, but it still calls for a clarification of the rules. If a play is still going on, and a hit is delivered to the front of the body of an opposing player, where is the line between "close enough to the play to be legitimate" and "too far away from the play to be legitimate"? The fact is that Heyer, an offensive lineman, threw the hit while his quarterback still had the ball behind the line of scrimmage. If it was clearly to the head, then fine, I'll accept the call. But the opinion from the Fox booth yesterday, and others on this thread, is that it was because it was simply too far away from the football. That, in my opinion, makes the call highly questionable.[/quote]

I think the main reason it was called was due to the fact Portis and Dockett were having some words on previous plays, and the refs were probably aware that something was brewing. So given the fact that the refs were probably keeping an eye on the situation, it wasn't a wise move by Heyer.

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Although i disagree with the call, thomas seems like he is getting more conifdent and more up to the speed of the nfl, his route running has improved drastically, even though on that td he didnt even need to run a route, he just ran straight and stopped down field... no1 was there jc hit him. But, you can see him improving weekly, now all cambell needs to do is work with him on timing and such things in practice, this will give cambell the confidence to throw to him more often than not.

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It sucks that it got called back after that bad ass little celebration he did in the endzone.

Can't help but feel a little embarrassed after that.

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i didnt see heyer hit him in the head, more like the upper chest area but i still think heyer probaly deserved a flag. But in contrast when sapp clearly cheap shotted clifton all the talk was about how it was a clean hit since the ball was still in play and you need to keep your head on a swivel etc. . . . sapps hit was gutless, his stance after the game was embarrasing.

[B]so has the league tweaked the rule to not allow the kind of hit heyer and sapp did if the play is half way down the field or do you still have to keep you head on a swivel until the whistle?[/B] i agree with the flag on heyer, sapp should have been fined.

go skins!

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The replay of the Heyer hit, in my view, clearly showed Heyer pushing the opposing player in the chest to the ground with both hands at the same time that Campbell was releasing the touchdown pass. Players are taught to play to the whistle. This hit was during the play and not to the head. How the hell was that a penalty? Just because the guy wasn't defending himself, does not make it a penalty. He should be playing to the whistle. That's how you get hurt on the football field, lolly gagging and not paying attention. Just because it was away from the ball is crap also. How is Heyer supposed to know if Campbell was scrambling and taking off running. If Heyer was lolly gagging and his man hustled and hit Campbell from behind, we would be complaining about Heyer not playing until the play was over. This was a B.S. call.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;479614]Speaking of Thomas, I think those PI calls on him are crap.

Do you think TO or hell even Moss would have gotten called for those? I think it's lame you have to "earn" your right to give a little shove (even though I didn't think the first one was a shove at all).[/quote]

Burress does that on EVERY play. I couldn't believe that first one was called. Thomas really got boned... but he'll learn from it and hopefully he can adapt to be more subtle.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;479666]The replay of the Heyer hit, in my view, clearly showed Heyer pushing the opposing player in the chest to the ground with both hands at the same time that Campbell was releasing the touchdown pass. Players are taught to play to the whistle. This hit was during the play and not to the head. How the hell was that a penalty? Just because the guy wasn't defending himself, does not make it a penalty. He should be playing to the whistle. That's how you get hurt on the football field, lolly gagging and not paying attention. Just because it was away from the ball is crap also. How is Heyer supposed to know if Campbell was scrambling and taking off running. If Heyer was lolly gagging and his man hustled and hit Campbell from behind, we would be complaining about Heyer not playing until the play was over. This was a B.S. call.[/quote]

I wonder if it had anything to do with the memo sent out this past week by the Commish? He sent out a memo stating that they were taking on-the-field player safety as a new area of focus. I'm thinking the officials received some kind of directive to enforce anything remotely questionable.

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^^^ nice insight burgundy, i didnt know about that till you said something. it just makes sense to cut out those types of hits where players clearly let up but technically the play is still live and on-going down field.

go skins!