Is J. Taylor really needed?
 

From what I see, the Skins didn't really need to pick him up. I think the Skins defense looked pretty good without him. With him in there, I think Dallas would have ran the ball at him more, but this is just my opinion.

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From what he gives up in the running game he more than makes up for in his awareness and pass rushing ability. It's a no brainer that our defense is improved is he's in there as opposed to a demetric evans or chris wilson

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I don't think he's necessary, but he certainly helps us generate a pass rush. I thought the trade was a bit hasty and probably wouldn't have given up more than a 3rd rounder for him, but it's not as though he's a liability. I certainly prefer Taylor to our other options.

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People fear him, and it causes double teams, a modified approach to their protection schemes. Evans and co. did an admirable job in his absence but a future hof like him is an asset to any team.

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We had this same type of thread about Carter when he first came to Washington. He started out slow then when he got comfortable in the system started racking up sacks. I'm hoping Taylor does the same thing and he did bat down three passes in his last game which might have made the difference in the out come.

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good point about carter

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Plus hes been a little gimpy in every game so far

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Speaking of Carter, did anyone else see him absolutely drill Romo last week? No further description of the play is necessary, either you saw it and remember it or you missed it.

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[quote=mlmpetert;484337]Plus hes been a little gimpy in every game so far[/quote]
Yea, I forgot about his knee injury which we were luck that he is even playing at all.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;484341]Speaking of Carter, did anyone else see him absolutely drill Romo last week? No further description of the play is necessary, either you saw it and remember it or you missed it.[/quote]That hit was Hellacious!!! Romo impressed me with how quickly he bounced back up - he's one tough hombre.

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I think its hard to grade JT so far because he's been hurt almost since he got to DC. He hasnt had the impact I thought he would but IMO that's because he's not 100%.

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One of the things that supporting the acquisition of Taylor was his remarkable bill of health, but given that he was 34 years old, the fact that he's hurt now for the first time in his career isn't all that surprising. If nothing else, this injury keeps us from overusing him as I believe the LDE by committee approach is generally more effective.

Jason Taylor, when healthy, is clearly our best option to bookend Andre Carter. But we got screwed in the trade for him, I think.

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I really believe that we would get more out of Taylor by limiting his play on run downs, and making sure that he's on the field for all passing situations. The Giants absolutely bullied Taylor on runs in the first game. Demetric Evans brings alot more bulk, and looked solid on the few runs that Dallas called.

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[quote=GTripp0012;484377]One of the things that supporting the acquisition of Taylor was his remarkable bill of health, but given that he was 34 years old, the fact that he's hurt now for the first time in his career isn't all that surprising. If nothing else, this injury keeps us from overusing him as I believe the LDE by committee approach is generally more effective.

Jason Taylor, when healthy, is clearly our best option to bookend Andre Carter. But we got screwed in the trade for him, I think.[/quote]

How did the Skins get screwed? They basically traded JT for a 2nd round draft pick who hasnt been drafted yet.

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[quote=irish;484386]How did the Skins get screwed? They basically traded JT for a 2nd round draft pick who hasnt been drafted yet.[/quote]

I agree, it's too early to say who got the better end. JT is going to be here for another year, so let's judge then.

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I think a HOF DE would make a team better. I would say if we keep winning let's make sure he's fairly healthy before we bring him back.

Even a less than 100% HOF DE would make this team better. In the Dal game, Wilson and Evans pretty much got manhandled. I think JT would have gotten a sack or two in the 2nd half.

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[quote=mlmpetert;484337]Plus hes been a little gimpy in every game so far[/quote]

That's what I'm saying. We probably wouldn't be having this conversation if he was not injured and played all the games. Cause his impact would be felt. I believe that!
But since he has been "gimpy" pretty much since day one, and now side lined and not starting till who knows when. This discussion comes up.

When he's healed up and playing. Watch out! In mind----he was a solid pick-up for us.

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[quote=irish;484386]How did the Skins get screwed? They basically traded JT for a 2nd round draft pick who hasnt been drafted yet.[/quote]Right. But that player will be drafted. And he will in all likelyhood be contributing to the Dolphins long after J. Taylor is done contributing to us.

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[quote=redsk1;484398]Even a less than 100% HOF DE would make this team better. [B]In the Dal game, Wilson and Evans pretty much got manhandled.[/B] I think JT would have gotten a sack or two in the 2nd half.[/quote]They combined for 6 pressures, which is a greater number than Jason Taylor's three game total.

Although Andre Carter seems to be a much bigger factor when Taylor is rushing on the other side, I'll definitely give you guys that one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;484408]They combined for 6 pressures, which is a greater number than Jason Taylor's three game total.

Although Andre Carter seems to be a much bigger factor when Taylor is rushing on the other side, I'll definitely give you guys that one.[/quote]
I'll say thus far, JT has looked like our most effective DE overall. From staying disciplined on screens, to batting down passes... he's definitely established himself as a solid DE here in D.C.

Do we need him? No... but does he improve our overall D? Absolutely. If he can stay healthy and continue his production, he's def. worth the number 2 IMO.

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Only if we want to improve our pass rush.:rolleyes:

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[quote=GTripp0012;484377]One of the things that supporting the acquisition of Taylor was his remarkable bill of health, but given that he was 34 years old, the fact that he's hurt now for the first time in his career isn't all that surprising. If nothing else, this injury keeps us from overusing him as I believe the LDE by committee approach is generally more effective.

Jason Taylor, when healthy, is clearly our best option to bookend Andre Carter. But we got screwed in the trade for him, I think.[/quote]
Even at age 34 it surprising that he did not totaly tear up his knee. There's a bunch of much younger players that would have been gone for allot longer if not the season. Dancing With The Stars got him limbered up.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;484341]Speaking of Carter, did anyone else see him absolutely drill Romo last week? No further description of the play is necessary, either you saw it and remember it or you missed it.[/quote]

He NAILED him !!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;484407]Right. But that player will be drafted. And he will in all likelyhood be contributing to the Dolphins long after J. Taylor is done contributing to us.[/quote]

Assuming he makes the team than that could be the case. I have said in the past that the Skins give away draft picks like Santa Claus gives away Xmas presents (remember giving away those picks for TJ Duckett?). With that said this was the one time the Skins have given up a pick and I though they made the right move since JT is still fairly close to his prime.

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J Taylor Will Be Fresh When He Come Back. The 2nd Half Will Be The Time
To Judge This Trade. It Will Help A. Carter From Teams Doubling Him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;484408]They combined for 6 pressures, which is a greater number than Jason Taylor's three game total.

Although Andre Carter seems to be a much bigger factor when Taylor is rushing on the other side, I'll definitely give you guys that one.[/quote]

W/out looking at stats, I watched the NFL Replay and it just looked like the were running upfield or being pushed upfield and taking swipes at the QB. They may have gotten a little pressure occasionally but look how many times Romo passed in that game. It didn't look like Dal's o line was sweatin Carters opposite side.

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As good as the D-Line has played without him, a healthy Taylor makes them that much better and more dangerous. It also takes some of the pressure off the secondary with a faster pass rush that makes QBs throw in haste.

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[quote=marcellus magruder sr.;484453]J Taylor Will Be Fresh When He Come Back. The 2nd Half Will Be The Time
To Judge This Trade. It Will Help A. Carter From Teams Doubling Him.[/quote]

What??? Did Dexter Manely write this.

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[quote=GTripp0012;484407]Right. But that player will be drafted. And he will in all likelyhood be contributing to the Dolphins long after J. Taylor is done contributing to us.[/quote]

I was very very against this trade. The 2nd rounder could turn out to be a stud. Or he could turn out to be a total bust. Time is going to tell if this was a good trade. If JT retires after this year it will be a bad trade. We need 2-3 years out of JT playing at a high level and it could turn out to be a good trade.

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[quote=redsk1;484398]I think a HOF DE would make a team better. I would say if we keep winning let's make sure he's fairly healthy before we bring him back.

Even a less than 100% HOF DE would make this team better. In the Dal game, Wilson and Evans pretty much got manhandled. I think JT would have gotten a sack or two in the 2nd half.[/quote]

I think it's debatable if JT will be a HOF er or not. So far in the games he's played in I haven't seen a HOF player and that's all that really matters. Hopefully when he comes back he'll be 100% healthy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;484490]I think it's debatable if JT will be a HOF er or not. So far in the games he's played in I haven't seen a HOF player and that's all that really matters. Hopefully when he comes back he'll be 100% healthy.[/quote]


I think it is safe to say JT is a HOF and will go in as a Doliphn, waht he does here if anything will be icing on his career cake.

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[quote=firstdown;484334]We had this same type of thread about Carter when he first came to Washington. He started out slow then when he got comfortable in the system started racking up sacks. I'm hoping Taylor does the same thing and he did bat down three passes in his last game which might have made the difference in the out come.[/quote]Carter wasn't coming in at 33 or 34 years of age either. How much time do you think he has to grasp the defense, especially not being healthy?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;484341]Speaking of Carter, did anyone else see him absolutely drill Romo last week? No further description of the play is necessary, either you saw it and remember it or you missed it.[/quote]
Did you see Romo bounce right up after the hit? That was a good, clean hit and I'm glad to see that he was tough enough to brush off a hit like that. You don't normally see hits like that on him, so it was good to see him bounce right up from it.

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[quote=redsk1;484398]I think a HOF DE would make a team better. I would say if we keep winning let's make sure he's fairly healthy before we bring him back.

Even a less than 100% HOF DE would make this team better. In the Dal game, Wilson and Evans pretty much got manhandled. I think JT would have gotten a sack or two in the 2nd half.[/quote]Do you know what his sack total was vs the NFCE last year?


1 and that was against the Skins.

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[quote=Bluezz DC;484547]Do you know what his sack total was vs the NFCE last year?


1 and that was against the Skins.[/quote]
Perhaps the Skins are a better team and thus take away the luxury for the Opposing Offense to key solely on him?

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cowboys suck, cowboys fans who live in the metro area and have never been close to the state of texas had bad parents.



i know,inappropriate right??

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Jason Taylor is not a HOF'er.
I was against trading for JT as well. Carter and JT are basically the same player a RDE and IMO JT has little left in the tank.
Neither is cut out or will hold up at the strong side LDE postion for an entire season, which requires usually going up against the other teams stout-est against the run OT.
I hope I am wrong.
Evans is closer to a LDE then either JT or Carter. IMO we are a better over all defense with Evans and Wilson rotating than with JT playing LDE fulltime. We were not that much better at rushing the passer when JT and Carter played together. Teams ran at our ends, just like they pick on Doughty on pass plays, they are our weakest links.

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Forget Taylor, we need Springs healthy most of all for Sunday. We have two starters on D out and they get possibly two starters back on O. My question is, can Shawn's replacement take Hall?

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[quote=over the mountain;484551]cowboys suck, cowboys fans who live in the metro area and have never been close to the state of texas had bad parents.



i know,inappropriate right??[/quote] Well this certainly doesn't apply to me because I've been to 14 games in Texas Stadium since 1985, and I've been to 6 Cowboys/Redskins games here, 5 in FedEx Field, and 1 in RFK. Actually, I've been to more Cowboys games in Texas than some of the Skins fans I know have been to Skins games. What does this mean? Nothing.

Oh yeah, do the Skin fans that grew up in the Dallas area that never been close to the city of Washington DC have bad parents?


I would have gone to Irving last week, but my sister was in a horrible 3 car accident Saturday morning. It looked grim at first, but she is recovering nicely.

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Sorry about your sister. I hope everything turns out well. I just feel like people should represent the area that they live in unless they are a transplant from another area. Makes sense to me. Personally I don't care who roots for the cowgirls, they will always be a bunch of overrated ass -wipes to me.