Jansen was very solid today
 

I know that Portis got a lot of yards to the left behind Samuels and Sellers, but Jansen seemed very solid in run blocking today

unfortunately I haven't been able to review his pass blocking and I know that we let guys through way too much, so can anybody tell me about that that was focused on line play?

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I agree...the ability to run out the game last 2 weeks against Dallas and Philly truly state his value to this team

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Thank you for posting this thread. As for those who claim that Jansen is washed up and our OL is old and over the hill, think again. The reason this team is 4-1 is due to our OL solid play and of course Campbell, but everything begins in the trenches. We are healthy on the OL and what a difference it makes. We won today despite having Shawn Springs, Stephon Heyer, Jason Taylor and Marcus Washington. That shows the depth of this team and our rookie receivers are slowly starting to contribute, the sky's the limit for this team. Keep it up and stay hungry!!

GO SKINS!!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;486052]Thank you for posting this thread. As for those who claim that Jansen is washed up and our OL is old and over the hill, think again. The reason this team is 4-1 is due to our OL solid play and of course Campbell, but everything begins in the trenches. We are healthy on the OL and what a difference it makes. We won today despite having Shawn Springs, Stephon Heyer, Jason Taylor and Marcus Washington. That shows the depth of this team and our rookie receivers are slowly starting to contribute, the sky's the limit for this team. Keep it up and stay hungry!!

GO SKINS!!![/quote]

Hey man, no problem.. I think Jansen has just had the same issues as Moss the past few years, injuries slowing him down, I think being in the reserve role he's ready and definitely has something to prove as a veteran, he's by no means your typical backup, he's the backup you dream of having, even if he's the vet vs having the solid young backup

hopefully heyer can become that long term guy, but I don't think at this point you can truly say that heyer has a great advantage vs jansen

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As posted earlier. JJ has played two really solid games against two key divisional foes. Looking more like the ROCK of past, here the last two weeks, nice to see!

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Jansen's strength is run blocking, so I can see how the playcalling went that way today. A few runs to the right side kept Philly guessing all day.

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I have to admit I always thought it was funny that the team was starting Heyer at RT, even if it was Buges making the decision.

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I've been tough on Jansen. His play has been great these last two weeks. He's been mauling people in run blocking, and hasn't been a liability in pass protection. It's nice to have an extra tackle on the bench with game experience -- be that Heyer or Jansen.

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The whole offensive line was solid. I loved that 4th and 2 play to Portis up the middle with 2 minutes and 40 some seconds remaining in the game. Somebody said it was something that Parcells would have called.

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Jansen has stepped up big the last 2 weeks. We ran the ball with authority today, against one of the top run Ds. Having the option of running to both sides is huge.

Nice to see it, plus the silver lining is that we've got excellent depth there.

Kneeling out in Dallas and Philly! Wow. Way to go skins!!!

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I don't think it's a coincidence that the running game has been so strong since #76 got back in there.

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Heyer's injury could be a blessed just like Reed's illness was with Horton.

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I just wish Jansen would break the habit he has had the last 2 to 3 years of showing up to training camp stiff as a board. As well as he is playing now, it is great and he has earned his spot in the starting lineup back.
But Jansen is a pro and is paid an awful lot of money, he needs to show up ready to play. Nobody should get a free pass at their starters job.
The coaches did the right thing in his situation. I think it set a good tone for everyone, especailly the young players on the team that nobody is untouchable. You all have to earn your spot. Kudos to the new coaching staff.

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When Heyer went down I was fairly happy knowing that Jansen was waiting back there ( I do like Heyer but he made some mistakes in the Giants game , I know he is going to be good soon ). I had a feeling Jansen was going to come in and perform. Jansen had to be hungry, ready to come in and win his job back.

Congrats Jon keep it up! You have done a wonderful job at trying to reclaim your starting spot. Good luck and keep fighting every week!!

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Jansen had a good game. As a matter of fact, both lines won the battle of the trenches. I think the defense was caught off guard early in the initial drive and the bogus punt return, that should have come back because of a block in the back, gave the Eagles the momentum early. The Skins maintained their composure and worked their way back into the game. By halftime, they controlled both lines of scrimmage. An impressive victory. The way that Zorn is controlling the clock in the second half of games reminds me of a young Joe Gibbs.

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Now if we could get a blessing for someone to replace Rabach

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[quote=vallin21;486309]Now if we could get a blessing for someone to replace Rabach[/quote]

Why? So he's made a couple of bone head plays 2 weeks in a row. The man can play.

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[quote=Defensewins;486276]I just wish Jansen would break the habit he has had the last 2 to 3 years of showing up to training camp stiff as a board. As well as he is playing now, it is great and he has earned his spot in the starting lineup back.
But Jansen is a pro and is paid an awful lot of money, he needs to show up ready to play. Nobody should get a free pass at their starters job.
The coaches did the right thing in his situation. I think it set a good tone for everyone, especailly the young players on the team that nobody is untouchable. You all have to earn your spot. Kudos to the new coaching staff.[/quote]

I could'nt agree more. Sometimes you can get a little to comfortable. Jansen got a kick in the ass and he has responded.

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I think we need to remember Jansen was coming off a pretty significant injury. Perhaps he just needed some extra time to get all the way back.

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I think JJ is back and has earned the starting position back, he has looked really good these last two games. In form of the 'ROCK' of old, this wake up call might be just what he needed, your spot is earned not given.

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[quote=Mattyk72;486403]I think we need to remember Jansen was coming off a pretty significant injury. Perhaps he just needed some extra time to get all the way back.[/quote]

That's a good point. And when you're the longest tenured player on your team and you get benched for an undrafted young guy like Heyer... Well that's a manhood issue. Jansen brought his hard hat and lunch pail to work the past few weeks and has played very well. Good for him. I love JJ and I hope he has won his job back.

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I predicted early that JJ would get replaced. He's stepped in nicely and I'm impressed the guy has held up in two tough trench battles but... I somehow don't feel any more confident about our situation @ right tackle than I did since the draft. Heyer is still covered in baby fat and now seems to get nicked up more than a young guy should. I don't trust that Jansen can stay healthy either through the season. I hope both guys prove me wrong.

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i wanted Jansen's head after pre season. but he has done a good job. no need to make any changes right now. and anyone know the status of Heyer?

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According to Zorn, Heyer is still the starter b/c he is better in pass protection. He even said that Jansen hasn't done anything that is an improvement on why he was replaced. He said he wanted the job in the preseason and wants it now, that he has played well the last couple games, but it seems that if Heyer is healthy he will start.

It is good to know that our backup is starter material though. I hope one day Heyer can run block as well as him.

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Replace Rabach?! Why in the world would we do that?!!!

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[quote=HAILItsGAMEDAY;486815]Replace Rabach?! Why in the world would we do that?!!![/quote]

Exactly!! Why? This healthy OL is living up what Gibbs and Bugle had planned, unfortunately injuries the last couple of years took away what now is our strength. 4 out of our 5 Offensive linemen have been to the pro-bowl with the exception of Rabach who I think is pretty solid despite the last 2 weeks making a few mistakes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;486818]Exactly!! Why? This healthy OL is living up what Gibbs and Bugle had planned, unfortunately injuries the last couple of years took away what now is our strength. 4 out of our 5 Offensive linemen have been to the pro-bowl with the exception of Rabach who I think is pretty solid despite the last 2 weeks making a few mistakes.[/quote]

Jansen has never made a Pro Bowl and I'm not sure if Thomas or Kendall has either.

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Well, as far as I am concerned we are lucky to have two starting caliber right tackles.

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In Zorn's press conference, he said that if Heyer is well enough to play, then he'll get his job back. So it looks like Jansen will be starting only until Stephon has healed.

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[quote=skinsfan69;486900]Jansen has never made a Pro Bowl and I'm not sure if Thomas or Kendall has either.[/quote]

Thomas was a pro-bowl alternate, Jansen was on the all-pro second team in 2005 and Kendall you are right, he wasn't a pro bowler my bad. Regardless, don't tell me these guys are not solid.

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[quote=JLee9718;486907]In Zorn's press conference, he said that if Heyer is well enough to play, then he'll get his job back. So it looks like Jansen will be starting only until Stephon has healed.[/quote]

Heyer earned this job. He came in and played very well as an undrafted rookie last year. I don't think people understand how big that is at a position like tackle. He held OUR Jason Taylor in check. This year he adapted Randy Thomas' work out and put on 30 lbs. of muscle. Jansen is solid, but according to the head coach, there were too many mental mistakes on his part and they felt that Heyer could anchor better in pass pro. Your back-ups are supposed to do what Jansen is doing now...nothing spectacular, but get the job done. Like another poster said- I feel good about both these guys.

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The running game has clearly taken off with Jansen in there. Personally I think he should keep the job. If Heyer comes back I hope we don't go back to only running to the left, that's a problem.

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hmm...thinking about this one.

If a RT can't pass block, you get em help.
If a RT can't run block, you don't play em.

Run blocking can be learned, pass blocking requires speed.
Ideally, Heyer needs to learn how to drive a man off the ball before he becomes a legitamate long term starter...otherwise, he should be a LT backup and at best RT starter.

Jansen is an ideal backup for interior line and an obvious starter if he can hold his own 1 on 1 against the pass rush....which he has done in the last 2 weeks.

Using that same measure of judgement, why not argue to bench Samuels, he has gotten beaten several times in the last 2-3 weeks for sacks, even with Portis help....ridiculous.
Samuels is solid and Jansen has played as well as any time in the last 3 years...
I say, keep Jansen in until he give up 3 sacks in a game....and that my friends, aint gunna happen anytime soon.

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we've run better the last two weeks against very good teams with jansen, so...

start the old guy.


and as far as not losing your job to injuries - tough. go talk to doughty about it. personally, i rather win.

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[quote=skinsnut;487044]Using that same measure of judgement, why not argue to bench Samuels, he has gotten beaten several times in the last 2-3 weeks for sacks, even with Portis help....ridiculous.[/quote]

Okay, with all due respect, are u insane? Bench the best LT on the roster? Samuels is so much better than ANYONE else on the line it is insane. Has he gotten beaten? Maybe, but if you had Heyer in there, Campbell would have been sacked a lot more. Heyer is solid but still learning - do you think Heyer would have blanked Trent Cole? I dont.

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I think Heyer is the long term answer, so for the long run its better to have him in there. I don't think its a huge drop off in the run game with Heyer in there, instead of Jansen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;487022]The running game has clearly taken off with Jansen in there. Personally I think he should keep the job. If Heyer comes back I hope we don't go back to only running to the left, that's a problem.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better. I'd take a kick ass running attack above all else.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;487232]Okay, with all due respect, are u insane? Bench the best LT on the roster? Samuels is so much better than ANYONE else on the line it is insane. Has he gotten beaten? Maybe, but if you had Heyer in there, Campbell would have been sacked a lot more. Heyer is solid but still learning - do you think Heyer would have blanked Trent Cole? I dont.[/quote]

That is my exact point...no one would ever suggest benching Samuels.

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The poll results are interesting given that Jim Zorn continually states that Heyer will get his job back when he's well enough to play.

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You can't argue with the numbers. Two weeks of Jansen results in two big running days against teams and in stadiums where it has been tough for us to run. Maybe Zorn thinks Jansen is a bad influence with his RV.

I just can't get that excited about Heyer. He's huge, sure. But he has the look of a man that could break into tears at any moment.