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I will give it to Blatche. Who would think our D would be dominating and playing as great as it has thus far this season. But I am at the boiling point on one point of our offense. THE D-LINE sniffing the QB.

Before the season started I was ridiculed by posters and mods alike. But now hopefully they understand my concerns with the D-line. But first I have to give credit to the Defense. They ahve played awesome this year.

But their only weak spot is sacking the QB. We are currently ranked 27th in sacks.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&statisticCategory=SACKS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_SACKS&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

Saying that. If we get a better pass rush our defense will be that much better and come playoff time we need to show up and be able to totally shut down average QBs and neutralize good ones. JT has made some impressive defensive plays eventhoughhe has been hurt when he has been int he game he hasn't had sacks. its like him and carter always get pushed to the outside and the QB has a nice pocket to throw.

I just think if we start getting more pressure on the QBs some of these games wont be as close and it will minimalize big plays. Which we haven't given up a lot of so imagine.

But by all accounts this shows the strength of our DBs who are playing light out. Beside Torrence..lol

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What is our record right now?

I could care less if we had zero sacks, we're sitting at 5-2 with potential to go 6-2. I'm happy.

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funny how with the exception of the Redskins, the whole NFC East is in the top 5

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[quote=chrisl13;493505]What is our record right now?

I could care less if we had zero sacks, we're sitting at 5-2 with potential to go 6-2. I'm happy.[/quote]

I am happy too. I know what our record is. The point is making it deep in the play-offs. We have to be on top of our game and be able to stop QBs from making big plays. Even with our turnovers against the Rams costing us a game. If we had had more pressure on the QB on that last drive (and if Torrence wasn't in the game). We might have won.

How did the Giants win the Superbowl last year?

They went up against a team that seemed unstoppable but with their D-Line they dominated and made the most heralded QB suffer and thus the Patriots lost. So dont think I am not proud of our record. I am very proud of our record and our defense. But to be a elite D we have to atleast sniff the QB more. This has also been a reason for Giants continued success this season.

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[quote=chrisl13;493505]What is our record right now?

I could care less if we had zero sacks, we're sitting at 5-2 with potential to go 6-2. I'm happy.[/quote]

wow, happy to be in second place

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;493508]I am happy too. I know what our record is. The point is making it deep in the play-offs. We have to be on top of our game and be able to stop QBs from making big plays. Even with our turnovers against the Rams costing us a game. If we had had more pressure on the QB on that last drive (and if Torrence wasn't in the game). We might have won.

How did the Giants win the Superbowl last year?

They went up against a team that seemed unstoppable but with their D-Line they dominated and made the most heralded QB suffer and thus the Patriots lost. So dont think I am not proud of our record. I am very proud of our record and our defense. But to be a elite D we have to atleast sniff the QB more. This has also been a reason for Giants continued success this season.[/quote]

For me, why not do something different? Sure, I'd love a zillion sacks, but we're the anti-Giants. We play great coverage and just force a lot of incompletions. I'd love a few more INTs and sacks, but teams just seem to have a hard trouble doing much of anything against us, particularly through the air.

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I keep saying it. Defensive tackle is our biggest need. Most here would disagree with me- everyone seems to be content with Golston and Montgomery, but I think our entire defense could benefit heavily from a big, two-gap tackle who can collapse the pocket and get after the quarterback.
This would free up our ends to get sacks and create more opportunities for our linebackers and secondary to make plays. This unit is playing lights out right now no question, but it's scary to think how much better it could be with an elite dt. Oh, and another cover corner might not be bad too. :twocents:

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We are 5&2 should be 6&1 but the O turned the ball over and allowed a score. Our D is not our worries right now and have won us several of our games. They might not get the preasue but they sur do knock down a bunch of passes which is just as good and soon should lead to some ints.

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[quote=firstdown;493515]We are 5&2 should be 6&1 but the O turned the ball over and allowed a score. Our D is not our worries right now and have won us several of our games. They might not get the preasue but they sur do knock down a bunch of passes which is just as good and soon should lead to some ints.[/quote]

Oh, I think the D is putting on the pressure, just not getting sacks. Hurries and knock downs are very evident. Sure, I'd just as soon see the opposing QB assume the fetal position every once in a while, but I've taken notice that our D line is doing a pretty good job putting on the pressure.

I'm happy as a pig in a blanket being 5-2 with a pretty good chance of being 6-2. Don't fix what isn't broken.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;493513]I keep saying it. Defensive tackle is our biggest need. Most here would disagree with me- everyone seems to be content with Golston and Montgomery, but I think our entire defense could benefit heavily from a big, two-gap tackle who can collapse the pocket and get after the quarterback.
This would free up our ends to get sacks and create more opportunities for our linebackers and secondary to make plays. This unit is playing lights out right now no question, but it's scary to think how much better it could be with an elite dt. Oh, and another cover corner might not be bad too. :twocents:[/quote]

I 100% agree with everything that you said. We should use our top pick in the draft on a DT or perhaps bag a fine free agent.

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every pass they bAT down is just as good as a sack for this fan.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;493513]I keep saying it. Defensive tackle is our biggest need. Most here would disagree with me- everyone seems to be content with Golston and Montgomery, but I think our entire defense could benefit heavily from a big, two-gap tackle who can collapse the pocket and get after the quarterback.
This would free up our ends to get sacks and create more opportunities for our linebackers and secondary to make plays. This unit is playing lights out right now no question, but it's scary to think how much better it could be with an elite dt. Oh, and another cover corner might not be bad too. :twocents:[/quote]

With the way Leigh Torrence, Fred Smoot and Justin Tyron have been playing this year, IMO we need CB help just lightly more than DL. We need both.
I agree that we need a DT that will put fear in the opposing team, we currently do not have one. But either a CB or DT or both would be great.We have no second round pick. Our second round pick will be retiring after the 2009 season. Very short Redskins career.
My main concern is history has shown Snyderrato has never seen a WR or skill position player on offense they did not want to draft. We will probably end up with another draft of Taylor Jacobs, Cliff Russell and Rod Gardner.

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Its not about the D being a concern. Its not about not being happy with the record. Its about the team improving on offense and defense so we can make a push deep in the play-offs.

I am thinking about what we need to work on as far as the defensive side on the ball. Imagine how lights out our defense would be if we were able to actually hit the QB more and get some sacks. 9 sacks in 7 games is not acceptable. Maybe things will change once JT gets completely healthy as far as pass rushing goes. But from what I have seen so far. Carter is the only one getting close to the QB on a consistent basis. That needs to change. Its not a concern just an area that needs improvement.

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I understand what you're saying. Our defense is playing very well and we are getting pressure on the quarterback and knocking balls down. No complaints. But how many more turnovers and how much more dominating would our defense be with a consistant pass rush that actually sacked the quarterback? I think we'll get more when J.T. gets healthy but it does seem odd not to have any more than we do. Especially with the blitzing we do. Right now I would like to see our passing game open up a little more and I believe in time it will. Maybe this week. But being a defensive kind of guy myself, there is nothing I like seeing better than a SACK.

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Sure we may not have alot of sacks, but I would like to see an under-apprieciated stat be kept for balls batted down, and by whom. I think that our D would have that stat on lock-down.

But yes, more sacks would be great. To me, for some time now, it appears that the whole batting down passes thing is a product of our coaches teaching this technique. It looks like the D-line has some sort of internal clock that they have. They have only a certain amount of seconds to get the qb, and if they don't they are more focused on getting hands up to block passes.

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[quote=4mrusmc;493545]Sure we may not have alot of sacks, but I would like to see an under-apprieciated stat be kept for balls batted down, and by whom. I think that our D would have that stat on lock-down.

But yes, more sacks would be great. To me, for some time now, it appears that the whole batting down passes thing is a product of our coaches teaching this technique. It looks like the D-line has some sort of internal clock that they have. They have only a certain amount of seconds to get the qb, and if they don't they are more focused on getting hands up to block passes.[/quote]

Phillip Daniels was great using this technique.

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Yes. Daniels is one of the best at knocking down passes and playing against the run. I know he wants to come back next year. He said he would help keep the other team in third and long and then Taylor could come in and do his thing. When he retires I'd like to see the Redskins keep him on as an assistant coach on the line.

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[quote=Meks;493525]every pass they bAT down is just as good as a sack for this fan.[/quote]
Better since batted passes can turn into defensive TD's (right Pete Kendall?).

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I would like to see a little more pressure on the QB. However, it seems like GB defensive scheme is working. I think, as the season goes on GB will do more blissing with CH and DL.

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It was funny. When I was watching the game today. I kept yelling at the screen get'em. Hoping they would sack the QB...lol

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[quote=joelew1@cox.net;494393]I would like to see a little more pressure on the QB. However, it seems like GB defensive scheme is working. I think, as the season goes on GB will do more blissing with CH and [B]DL[/B].[/quote]

Who??

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I am oh so tired of not getting to the QB and not forcing turnovers. It's really bad. I know points allowed is ultimately the most important defensive stat, but sacks and turnovers are momentum/emotional type plays that can swing games, especially at home when it fires up the crowd that much more. We have to find a way to get better. Never settle, keep improving, right?

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[quote=GMScud;494407]I am oh so tired of not getting to the QB and not forcing turnovers. It's really bad. I know points allowed is ultimately the most important defensive stat, but sacks and turnovers are momentum/emotional type plays that can swing games, especially at home when it fires up the crowd that much more. We have to find a way to get better. Never settle, keep improving, right?[/quote]

Agreed. A few defensive touchdowns, or just more turnovers, would help to fix the problem where we don't put other people away and scores remain tight.

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I have been saying this for years its the differance between being dominant and making it through the playoffs or just being a good team. WE NEED MORE SACKS!!!! and right now we are lame when it comes to getting to the QB.Yes batting a ball down is good but its not a sack you lose a down not yards and a down.But I still think our D is good and are team better than I expected but a good passrush would make alot of our games MUCH easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Because if we cant get to the QB now just waite for the playoffs when the teams are better.If your happy with things now your not thinking of the BIG PICTURE and the future.

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We play the run first which means we suffer in the sacks department. If you watch AC you'll see he plays containment first. We also don't blitz much.

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[quote=saden1;494455]We play the run first which means we suffer in the sacks department. If you watch AC you'll see he plays containment first. [B]We also don't blitz much[/B].[/quote]

Not really sure why we just abandoned blitzing. We play "stay at home" style defense game in and game out. It works out fine in the points department, but again, sacks and turnovers are game changers and create those big momentum swings.

We have a good enough secondary to blitz a little more.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;493504]I will give it to Blatche. Who would think our D would be dominating and playing as great as it has thus far this season. But I am at the boiling point on one point of our offense. THE D-LINE sniffing the QB.

Before the season started I was ridiculed by posters and mods alike. But now hopefully they understand my concerns with the D-line. But first I have to give credit to the Defense. They ahve played awesome this year.

But their only weak spot is sacking the QB. We are currently ranked 27th in sacks.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&statisticCategory=SACKS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_SACKS&d-447263-n=1"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

Saying that. If we get a better pass rush our defense will be that much better and come playoff time we need to show up and be able to totally shut down average QBs and neutralize good ones. JT has made some impressive defensive plays eventhoughhe has been hurt when he has been int he game he hasn't had sacks. its like him and carter always get pushed to the outside and the QB has a nice pocket to throw.

I just think if we start getting more pressure on the QBs some of these games wont be as close and it will minimalize big plays. Which we haven't given up a lot of so imagine.

But by all accounts this shows the strength of our DBs who are playing light out. Beside Torrence..lol[/quote]

We simply don't have any pass rushers and this is something that needs to be addressed during the off season. There is nothing we can do about it in the middle of the season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;494535]We simply don't have any pass rushers and this is something that needs to be addressed during the off season. There is nothing we can do about it in the middle of the season.[/quote]

Really? How about the guys we have step their game up. Also what happened to Rob jackson and Erasmus James?

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[quote=skinsfan69;494535]We simply don't have any pass rushers and this is something that needs to be addressed during the off season. There is nothing we can do about it in the middle of the season.[/quote]

You know, alot of us wanted to address this in the draft. Now I'm not sure who we would have ended up selecting or how they are doing at this point, but I still I wish it could've been addressed. Before the draft we had several discussions about whether a D-lineman or a tall WR was more important for this team going forward. I remember arguing then that our WR's were sound, and that depth could be better addressed in the FA, and I think that has proven true. Im not saying Kelly or Thomas will never amount to anything, I hope they do, but I don't think we ever needed more targets. Our position players are skilled. We need Lineman like crazy on both sides of the ball. Our O-line can runblock but the Passblocking is still a little suspect. And our D-line is a joke when Pass-rushing. I agree that if anything holds us back this year it will be the lack of a passrush. The good news is this team is only a few key players away from being elite IMO.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;494600]Really? How about the guys we have step their game up. Also what happened to Rob jackson and Erasmus James?[/quote]

James would have had a sack yesterday, but flagrantly being held by an OL that resulted in a penalty against the Lions.

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[quote=GMScud;494501]Not really sure why we just abandoned blitzing. We play "stay at home" style defense game in and game out. It works out fine in the points department, but again, sacks and turnovers are game changers and create those big momentum swings.

We have a good enough secondary to blitz a little more.[/quote]

I think our secondary is good because we don't blitz. If we play man coverage and blitz more I believe good QBs will burn us.

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A healthy Jason Taylor would go a long way in helping to produce more sacks. I just hope he can get back to 100% or close to it this year.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;494600]Really? How about the guys we have step their game up. Also what happened to Rob jackson and Erasmus James?[/quote]

Well this has been a problem for the last several years. Our front 4 doesn't get enough sacks. Carter is just not strong and explosive enough to consistently beat starting NFL left tackles. But he's been solid, he just doesn't dominate. Taylor has been hurt, but even if he's 100% healthy I don't think he's going to reach the level he played at in the past. Jasckon, James and all the rest of the DT's just don't seem to be able to cave in the pocket. Jackson was OK in the pre season but now he's got to do it against starters. Bottom line is we just don't have anyone IMO. But we're not giving up a lot of points and that's the bottom line.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;494609]James would have had a sack yesterday, but flagrantly being held by an OL that resulted in a penalty against the Lions.[/quote]

And I would be flying through the air if gravity didn't ruthlessly drag me down to earth.

Honestly...
I dont know what the deal is here but we have 4 pass rush specialists on this team for 1 end spot, James, Wilson, that rookie kid Jackson and Jason Taylor.
I can't ever remember a squad with this number of pass rushers.
They figured volume overcame quality I guess.
I am really disappointed that James and Wilson haven't done jack.
It is a shame they couldn't fill in for Jason Taylor so he could sit out and heal.
I guess coaches arent that impressed in practice

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a big dt would def help..but so would a beast at olb

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[quote=WillH;494603]You know, alot of us wanted to address this in the draft. Now I'm not sure who we would have ended up selecting or how they are doing at this point, but I still I wish it could've been addressed. Before the draft we had several discussions about whether a D-lineman or a tall WR was more important for this team going forward. I remember arguing then that our WR's were sound, and that depth could be better addressed in the FA, and I think that has proven true. Im not saying Kelly or Thomas will never amount to anything, I hope they do, but I don't think we ever needed more targets. Our position players are skilled. We need Lineman like crazy on both sides of the ball. Our O-line can runblock but the Passblocking is still a little suspect. And our D-line is a joke when Pass-rushing. I agree that if anything holds us back this year it will be the lack of a passrush. The good news is this team is only a few key players away from being elite IMO.[/quote]

In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;494786]In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..[/quote]

I wouldn't say that quite yet. I would expect Davis to start getting more time over Yoder at some point. It just seems we need another physical presence out there in the red zone. But Zorn is making him earn it in practice. I also think Thomas can't do shit unless they start throwing him the ball more. If the coaches can't design 4-5 plays a game for this guy then why the hell did we draft him? I like Thrash but c'mon. Thomas runs 4.3 and is 6'2 215lbs. He's gotta start getting the ball more.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;494786]In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..[/quote]

I would think more long term. Wide receivers not named Randy Moss take a couple of seasons to get up to NFL speed and so do corners like Tryon. Defensive linemen are easier to plug right in. So if we draft for the DL in 2009 and have the receivers mature, we could be even more badass next year.

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I think things are going to be different after the bye week with hopefully a healthy JT and Shawn Springs back in the lineup. I hate the fact that Springs is so fragile, but when he's on the field things are different. With a healthy Springs and Rogers improvement this year, we have two shut down corners, that will allow Greg Blache to send more ppl on the blitz.

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Some support for my previous argument. Here are rookie year catch totals for some notable non-busts:

Santana Moss 2
Donald Driver 3
Steve Smith 10
Hines Ward 15
Brandon Marshall 20
Plaxico Burress 22
Isaac Bruce 21
Chad Johnson 28