Now that they're gone
 

Smith and Wistrom are gone so who else do we go after in the Free Agency Pool?

Do we have any cap room left? I'd love to see how close we are and if we have room to sign anyone.

Right now, I'm starting to think that were gonna HAVE to pass on S.Taylor. I mean I really dont want too, but Saftey isnt as pressing as our Dline, and although we added a good DT in Griffin, and from what I hear a decent DE in Daniels, we still havent done enough. We can Still Get Udeze and if we get a second rounder, possibly wilfork or straks, so we will have to see. I too, would like to know our cap status. I really think we could still have some room, alot of our contracts are proboly backloaded ( I would defintley Say Porits/Springs are)

Well I think Raiders DT Rod Coleman is available, I'd go after him

Oooo very good point smoot, I completley forgot about him. If we had him/Griffin inside with Holsley rotating in, that would be awsome. I still think we need to check out another DE, though. I mean Wynn/Daniels could be a soild duo, but not the huge pass rush I think we need, right?

there is still rod coleman of oakland and marcellus wiley. Save the draft pick for Taylor

I've done some calculations and I figure right now we have about $2-4M in cap room. Plus they can save another $3M by dumping Trung, Moore, and Chamberlain.

So I figure there's $5-7M of cap room left. I think they can still sign Coleman or Wiley for the D line and maybe someone else like a safety, but that may be pushing it.

Not to mention Samuels could easily save us $4-5M if he would just negotiate an extension. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Oooo very good point smoot, I completley forgot about him. If we had him/Griffin inside with Holsley rotating in, that would be awsome. I still think we need to check out another DE, though. I mean Wynn/Daniels could be a soild duo, but not the huge pass rush I think we need, right?[/QUOTE]
With all this talent and experience we have on the Dline, there's only one thing missing....Udeze!!! Just imagine him coming off the end with that raw speed and strength. Then imagine Lavar coming from the other side...this is what all redskin fans have been waiting/dreaming of for years. I say trade down and pick up a second round pick...then draft udeze, and with that second round pick...Im sure JoeG. will find a gem. HAIL REDSKINS!!!!!

I like that idea, giacomo. Trade down, get Udeze and another quality player. I like Taylor and Winslow, but this is better for the team.

PS Coleman is gone. Look for blue-collar and rookies to fill the d-line.

Has anyone considered a good pass recieving Tightend? How many did Rasby catch last year?

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Has anyone considered a good pass recieving Tightend? How many did Rasby catch last year?[/QUOTE]Here are Rasby's numbers (catches/yards/ave/TDs):

[color=sienna][font=Fixedsys]1994 Pittsburgh Steelers 0 0 0.0 0[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]1995 Carolina Panthers 5 47 9.4 0[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]1996 Carolina Panthers 0 0 0.0 0[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]1997 Carolina Panthers 1 1 1.0 0[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]1998 Detroit Lions 15 119 7.9 1[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]1999 Detroit Lions 3 19 6.3 1[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]2000 Detroit Lions 10 78 7.8 1[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]2001 Washington Redskins 10 128 12.8 2[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]2002 Washington Redskins 9 85 9.4 0[/font]
[font=Fixedsys]2003 New Orleans Saints 6 55 9.2 0[/font][/color]

Based on these numbers... I wouldn't consider him a pass receiving TE at all. Don't understand what the holdup signing him is...these aren't exactly Tony Gonzalez numbers and Danny isn't famous for lowballing players (ha!). I hope he's not asking for a ton of cash.

For comparison's sake... here are Chamberlain's numbers:

[font=Fixedsys][color=sienna]1995 Denver Broncos 1 11 11.0 0
1996 Denver Broncos 12 129 10.8 0
1997 Denver Broncos 2 18 9.0 0
1998 Denver Broncos 3 35 11.7 0
1999 Denver Broncos 32 488 15.3 2
2000 Denver Broncos 22 283 12.9 1
2001 Minnesota Vikings 57 666 11.7 3
2002 Minnesota Vikings 34 389 11.4 0
2003 Washington Redskins 4 29 7.3 0[/color][/font]

I unlike Dan Synder like the consider the future when making moves, not just shit i want to win next season. For this reason I would take Sean Tayler, the guy is a special unique player. Even though we def. need d-linemen.

Rasby isn't a pass catching tighend, he's a blocking tightend. Which means his number of catches really doesn't mean much. There are a couple of teams interested in him, so thas the hold up. One guy that would be perfect for us is Jason Peters from Georgia. HE's the 320 pound tight end, that we have mentioned before. But unfortunantly he'll never make it to the 5th round. We could have had him with our 3rd round pick, but we gave that away for the senior citizen quaterback.

Hey now, at least the team gets a discount when they go out to eat, after Bruce left we were afraid of losing that!

[QUOTE=giacomo2]With all this talent and experience we have on the Dline, there's only one thing missing....Udeze!!! Just imagine him coming off the end with that raw speed and strength. Then imagine Lavar coming from the other side...this is what all redskin fans have been waiting/dreaming of for years. I say trade down and pick up a second round pick...then draft udeze, and with that second round pick...Im sure JoeG. will find a gem. HAIL REDSKINS!!!!![/QUOTE]

Ah my friend you do err, If udeze is the good's I would pass up taylor to get him, but I would rush lavar from the same side as udeze now that would be very difficult to defend. ;)

[COLOR=Navy]i really do'nt think it matters who we do or do not get in the draft.why?because gibbs and his coaching staff always get the best out of the players they have.if gibbs says he can win with vets as opposed to rookies,he can.[/COLOR]
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I honestly think if Spurrier had the assistants Gibbs had our Defense would have been in the top 15 and we would have been in the hunt for the playoffs. I think our D Line did look pathetic, but the rest of our defense which had tons of talent didn't exactly look great. I think Daniels/Wynn/Noble/Griffin will give us a lot more push than last year. I still see us signing a few not-so-big named D line people.

Daseal are you sure about Noble????
 

His leg was hurt bad last year and many I have read said it takes two years to really come back from something like this! So I really don't see him in the mix! That is why we will need someone else in the middle and the out side. With only one pick left trade down looks like it. To get more picks or wait and hope for more cuts in June! Still like Winslow!!!

[QUOTE=Daseal]I honestly think if Spurrier had the assistants Gibbs had our Defense would have been in the top 15 and we would have been in the hunt for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

You could well be right....a few experienced NFL coaches telling SS to run a decent pro system instead of his Glum and Gun, or whatever it was called....

Well, Spurrier chose his own staff and quit rather than replace them, so I guess we could say if Spurrier was as smart as Gibbs...

I'm not sure about Noble, but last I heard he was healing faster than expected. He might not be a 4 quarter guy, but I think we can get him in on certain situations.

Matty, Spurrier didn't have near the pull Gibbs has. Gibbs is a proven coach who is very good at convincing people. That's one of his strong points. Hypothetically speaking I think if Spurrier had the assistants Gibbs has the team would have been much improved. Spurriers offense didn't do THAT bad. When we actually had the ball, some games they had our number completely, but a lot of games we scored enough points to win but our defense just did nothing.

Daseal, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend Spurrier all the time. The guy was a total flop at the NFL level. Once Lewis left he was completely lost. And the most telling thing was the offense regressed in his second year despite having more talent. Check out the numbers from 2002 compared to 2003, the offense was much worse across the board.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teamstats?team=was&year=2002]2002[/url]
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teamstats?team=was&season=2]2003[/url]

Some important stats to note:

Points per game:
2002: 19.2
2003: 17.9

Passing yards per game:
2002: 203.4
2003: 187.9

Rushing yards per game:
2002: 118.1
2003: 103.3

Third down %:
2002: 39.8
2003: 34

Penalties:
2002: 116-972
2003: 124-1038

First downs:
2002: 303
2003: 272


He couldn't protect the QB, he refused to committ to running the ball, he wavered back and forth between doing things his way one week, then the next week he would have another "gameplan", and the well documented discipline problems were just inexcusable.

He is a great college coach but at the NFL level he just couldn't cut it. His gimmicky offense was quickly diagnosed and eaten alive by NFL defenses. The only way he would have had success was if he scrapped his fun 'n' gun and went with a more traditional pro style of offense, and ultimately that's what led to him walking away, he realized he wasn't going to be successful doing it "his way", so why bother?

The arguement that Gibbs has more pull so that's why he's put together a better staff doesn't hold much water to me. If Spurrier did his homework on putting together a staff Snyder would have gotten him the guys he needed. Instead, Spurrier had no clue how important coaching was at this level and went about "promoting" his college staff to the NFL where they were equally unqualified and out of their element as he was.

Spurrier didn't even know how to run a training camp for gods' sake, Lewis was here in year 1 to basically be his mentor, (smart move by Snyder by the way). It's no surprise to me that the team fell apart after Lewis left, he was the glue that was holding things together.

The thing about Spurrier is he never really seemed dedicated to learning the ropes of the NFL and putting in the blood, sweat and tears to make it happen. He assumed he could bring his high flying offense to the NFL and that would overcome everything else like coaching and leadership. He was in way over his head in the NFL and he all but admitted that by quitting after 2 seasons and leaving $15M on the table.

And there's no comparison to him and guys like Jimmy Johnson who also struggled initially. The huge difference lies in their work ethics, or in Spurrier's case his lack thereof.

The one thing I can respect about Spurrier is he realized this "experiment" wasn't working and he handed the keys back to Snyder and said go find someone who can make this work.

The NFL Just wasent for Spurrier. I thought he was a stand up guy, and I legitmetley felt bad that his experiment didnt work. Him leaving, however, was best for him , and the Redskins.

I've always been a Spurrier fan and I always will be. Did he make mistakes, sure. I also said hypothetically if he had the staff we have now, he would have done fine in the NFL, a point you don't seem to be contending.

If Gibbs goes and asks a great defensive coordinator to come to Washington he'll be much more likely to get him than Spurrier. I don't know how you can contest this. Coordinators want to go to teams with a shot just like players do. That's part of it.

As you said, Lewis was the glue. When we had a respectable defense of course our offense will perform better. Why don't you pull total possessions per game out of that stat sheet. You should see there were far less this year than last.

I think Spurrier can still be a head coach. He saw where his mistakes were and needs to fix him. I also think his work ethic is slightly under played. Yes, he'd leave early but I'm sure it wasn't all golf and sun for Spurrier. He has tons of room for improvement, but who doesnt.

Here's a question for you, what if Gibbs goes 7-9 two years in a row. Are you going to jump all over him and say he can't coach at the NFL level anymore? Doubt it, you'll blame it on tons of circumstances. Just how it is when it's 'your guy.' Spurrier needed a better staff to be successful, he should have had Snyder upgrade, but he didn't know it would be so dreadful till last year. It's not like he had a long run.

[QUOTE=Daseal]
I think Spurrier can still be a head coach. He saw where his mistakes were and needs to fix him. I also think his work ethic is slightly under played. Yes, he'd leave early but I'm sure it wasn't all golf and sun for Spurrier. He has tons of room for improvement, but who doesnt.
[/QUOTE]Lets just hope he's the Cowboys' next head coach.

Wishful thinking.

Spurrier did have a quality defensive coordinator in Lewis. Are you saying he wouldn't have been able to land Williams as DC if he had stayed?? C'mon now, money talks just as much as "having a shot". Williams was the target for DC before Spurrier even left.

Gibbs is smart enough to surround himself with a quality staff, why? Because he knows the value of coaching and leadership. Spurrier clearly missed the boat on this concept. He thought his offense would overcome everything.

Spurrier is just another great college coach that couldn't hack it in the pros.

Spurrier is a great coach but one thing I despised about him was his lackadaisical attitude from the middle of the season on. In the beginning you could see he was determined with play calling and how the games were going but then he just looked like he gave up. Even when your initial plan is failing or failed I dont think a coach should just give up and hope for the best like he did. A good coach adapts and tries to focus on strengths and hide or make weaknesses negligble as much as possible. Spurrier didnt seem interested in doing that.

Spurrier does not have what it takes to succeed on the pro level. Right now we're watching how a real coach assembles his team, how he prepares for a season. Gibbs ain't playing golf ... he's pulling all-nighters. If Spurrier put the time in and showed the level of dedication, discipline and commitment that is required, he would probably have been okay but he didn't and that's why he's unemployed today. Thank God Spurrier had the good sense to see that it wasn't working, because Snyder sure didn't ... if Steve hadn't walked away we would have had to endure another disappointing season.

First, let me say this, I was stoked at the prospect of having Spurrier as our coach, finally a flashy offense in DC was what I was thinking....However, it didn't work, one because of Spurrier's stuborness, but mainly because of his inability to discipline the players. I have been watching the skins all my life and this was the hardest two years I have ever seen...so much potential going into the season only to see all vanish with pass interference, holding, taunting, imitating the snap count (I didn't even know that was a penalty until this year), Spurrier failed miserably at this level, he had no control over the players, he is a good college coach because it takes different things to motivate college and professional players. Spurrier is a good college coach and regardless on any asst coaches he could have, he will never be a good NFL coach.

SS sucked for lots of reasons, but here's a big one: he didn't know how to control the tempo of a game. We'd have a lead in the 2nd half, and he'd throw on every down. Ramsey would get smacked, and we'd go three and out and punt. Then the D would hold at first, but eventually tire and give up the game-winning drive late in the fourth. At FL, time of possession didn't matter, in the NFL, it does.

Gibbs will have a running game, will control the clock, and keep the other team off the field. One of the major benefits to this is a rested defense, especailly the d-line, who wear down most over a game. I really hope we add more to the d-line (starks? Udeze?), but no matter what, our current players will be better off.

And a key to the Lewis D was Lavar getting in the backfield. I figure Williams is really looking to Lavar to add to the passrush. Lavar complained about lining up as a rusher, but we had the #5 d, and he had double-digit sacks. Edwards didn't have the power to tell Lavar what to do. Williams does.

I agree with Scott that lack of discipline was one of Spurriers main problems. There were even reports here in Washington locally that players would answer and talk on cell phones during team meetings. We definitely wont have that problem with Gibbs. Riggins in a local show here said that he was doodling during one of his team meetings and Gibbs called him out and told the whole team to gather around and see what he was doing to ridicule him. Pretty hilarious.

[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]i told my wife the day TOBC got hired that the redskins would be awful under him.he seemed just to cocky and arrogant to win in the nfl.Gibbs commands respect because of his past record as an nfl coach,spurrier had no such record.i can just about bet that if a cell phone goes off during a gibbs team meeting,the custodian will be sweeping pieces of it up.spurrier's game did not work at the nfl level because it was all college oriented,that crap just does'nt work in the nfl.spurrier can say he lost because snyder would not do this or that like he said last week in dallas or he
could just come out and say he could not when because he did not know what the hell he was doing.it does'nt matter now because his ass is gone and THE REAL COACH IS BACK.............................................[/FONT]
[SIZE=7]hail to the redskins and thank god for coach Joe Jackson Gibbs.[/SIZE]