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MTK 11-18-2008 08:43 AM

4-2 the rest of the way?
 
The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonable, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco

DynamiteRave 11-18-2008 08:48 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=Mattyk72;502000]The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonble, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco[/quote]

So I'm thinking it looks like

11/23 @ Seattle W
11/30 vs NY Giants L
12/7 @ Baltimore L
12/14 @ Cincinnati W
12/21 vs Philadelphia W
12/28 @ San Francisco W

I'm thinking you could exchange a Baltimore W for a Bengals L, but the Bengals are pretty terrible. And I'm thinking we're better than the Ravens as well. But God knows all our woes, we might end up botching both games, but I hope not. We can't make a wildcard slot at 9-7?

Seattle, Philly, and SF should all be easier games that should most definitely be wins.

mredskins 11-18-2008 08:50 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
I hate to say it but it doesn't look good and to think we were so high just a few weeks ago. This team is as bad as the 7-1 Turner team that end up crumbling. Why can't we have any offense in Washington?

[B][I]"Are you ready for the offseason???"[/I][/B] -Sung to MNF theme song by Hank Jr.

What a sad sad year. =(

irish 11-18-2008 08:59 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=Mattyk72;502000]The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonble, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco[/quote]

Wow, looking at these games I can see the Skins going 0-6 but I dont think that's likely. I'd like the Skins to win Sea & SF if they were home but they are on the west coast and the Skins seem to struggle with trips to the west coast. They wont beat the Giants. Balt wont be easy in Balt. Cinn gave Philly all they could handle in Cinn but it depends which Cinn team shows up. Phil is always a tough game.

4-2 would be an amazing run for this team and they made a run like that last year but those things dont happen often. My prediction is 3-3 or 2-4. I cant believe I'm saying this but the Skins wont make the playoffs.

Vulta121 11-18-2008 09:01 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
of course it can be done i think we can even go 6-0 or 5-1 with our talent. But I'm sure we'll choke and go 3-3

TheMalcolmConnection 11-18-2008 09:02 AM

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I think we most definitely have to take out Philly and then ten wins will look better for the playoffs. If we can handle Seattle, Philly, SF and Baltimore, we're gonna' be doing good.

I'm most nervous about stinkin' ass Baltimore. The way we play against good defenses this year is very discouraging.

SC Skins Fan 11-18-2008 09:02 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=Mattyk72;502000]The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonable, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco[/quote]

It might be too early to get into all the tiebreakers, but the bottom line is that if the Redskins win the four conference games left they would be all but guaranteed the Wild Card. That would give them a 9-3 conference record and 4-2 division record. That would give them the tiebreaker over any non-division opponent for the Wild Card save Atlanta (who could end up with a 9-3 conference record as well). It would also give them the tiebreaker over Philadelphia in division. It would then come down to common games with Atlanta (Detroit, St. Louis, Philadelphia, New Orleans I think) and Dallas (14 games), assuming all finished with the same record. Bottom line, Seattle is a huge game this week and one of the four most important games left (and also why it sucks so much that they lost to St. Louis ... would have rather lost to Cleveland).

mredskins 11-18-2008 09:14 AM

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Must win 12/7 game against Ravens, if you are a Skins fan living in the B-more area you know waht I mean. This is more important then the playoffs.

skinsfan69 11-18-2008 09:19 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=Mattyk72;502000]The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonable, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco[/quote]

I don't think we're getting to 10 wins.

Seattle...Loss. We never play well there and they have Hasselback now. I don't think we'll win this one.
Giants..Loss. They are the best team in the NFL. We have no chance.
Balt....Loss. They might shut us out.
Cinn....Win. But barely. They played Dallas, Giants and Philly REAL tough.
Philly....Win. We should win this one at home.
SF.....Win. We should take care of business. We are the better team

GTripp0012 11-18-2008 09:27 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
No slip ups against teams we should beat (Seattle, Cincinnati, and SF) and it's almost a given.

We're too good to go 0-3 vs. NYG, Balt, and Philadelphia. That's not happening.

I see 5-1, with a loss at Baltimore. Of course, that's assuming Zorn makes the tweaks on offense that gets these guys producing like they are capable of at Seattle, but who knows Seattle better than him?

SouperMeister 11-18-2008 09:28 AM

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The only game remaining that looks like a total reach is the Giants since they're playing so well. If the offense wakes up, the Skins can certainly get on another roll since the defense keeps them in every game. I honestly wouldn't be shocked by a 5-1 finish. I also wouldn't be shocked by a 2-4 finish since most games seem to come down to the final few minutes.

GTripp0012 11-18-2008 09:30 AM

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The Giants still have a tough physical road game before they have to come here to play us. I'm thinking they won't be playing as well as they are right now in two weeks. Of course, if I'm wrong on this, we won't beat them.

JoeRedskin 11-18-2008 09:38 AM

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I just don't know. I was SURE that we would come off the bye hot and ready to roll. Now, I believe that our season depends on the O-Line getting its sh** together and I don't see that happening. I don't see us beating the Ravens, NYG and think we will manage to lose at least one of Seattle, Cinci or SF.

<sigh>

I see us just missing the play-offs at 9-7. Unlike earlier in the year, this O-Line just ain't getting it done.

GTripp0012 11-18-2008 09:42 AM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;502033]I just don't know. I was SURE that we would come off the bye hot and ready to roll. Now, I believe that our season depends on the O-Line getting its sh** together and I don't see that happening.[B] I don't see us beating the Ravens, NYG and think we will manage to lose at least one of Seattle, Cinci or SF.
[/B]
<sigh>

I see us just missing the play-offs at 9-7. Unlike earlier in the year, this O-Line just ain't getting it done.[/quote]I could definately see us losing to one of these teams (I think SF goes into Dallas and wins this week), but if we beat Seattle this week, I would say that puts the probability of winning all three of those road games in our favor, wouldn't you?

BringBackJoeT 11-18-2008 09:43 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
We got into this discussion last week with thread on how this team would most likely get to 11-5 if they were able to reach that record. Now we're projecting differently, as I think most (but not all) who believed we could get to 11-5 had us beating Dallas.

Regardless, my own opinion is that it is virtually impossible to predict a record for the Redskins, because this is truly a one-game-at-a-time team. The fact is that every game they play is close. After 10 games, they've scored 181 points and given up 182. They have proven that they cannot be blown out even if they are outplayed, but also cannot win without a nail-biter of a game. Seriously, given the way this team plays, I don't think a single game remaining on their schedule--even possibly the Giants game--can be guaranteed as a win or a loss.

By the way, if it hasn't already been posted, Yahoo sports is currently running a front page story on the Redskins' recent struggles.

EARTHQUAKE2689 11-18-2008 10:00 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
I can see us going 5-1 over those last 6 losing to NY only

birdz4gibbs 11-18-2008 10:00 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
i,m hoping the skins can get their act together for this stretch in all reality.
but like the rams game where on paper it wasn,t suppose to be close and it was and we lost so anything can happen and will probably happen down the stretch. can they go 4-2 sure but alot has to change for it to happen.....wait and see.this team gets my heart rate up way too much every year it seems down this crucial run so here we go again right ..wait and see ..it,s in front of them now it,s up to them to see it thru..

HAILItsGAMEDAY 11-18-2008 10:05 AM

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I think we will lose at seattle, But if by some chance we find a way to beat the Giants we will win out and cruise into the playoffs.

SmootSmack 11-18-2008 10:10 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
It's definitely possible, if not probable to go at least 4-2. I think in a least one of our games though the difference will be a Defense or Special Teams touchdown that will give us the edge.

TheMalcolmConnection 11-18-2008 10:12 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;502041]It's definitely possible, if not probable to go at least 4-2. I think in a least one of our games though the difference will be a Defense or [I][B]Special Teams touchdown[/B][/I] that will give us the edge.[/quote]

For me, I think it's time to pull out the stops. We were talking about saving Moss for the playoffs and those look like they might be slipping away. I'd really like to see him back there a lot more often now until the offense starts showing they can score more than 10-15 points a game.

irish 11-18-2008 10:14 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=skinsfan69;502025]I don't think we're getting to 10 wins.

Seattle...Loss. We never play well there and they have Hasselback now. I don't think we'll win this one.
Giants..Loss. They are the best team in the NFL. We have no chance.
Balt....Loss. They might shut us out.
Cinn....Win. But barely. They played Dallas, Giants and Philly REAL tough.
Philly....Win. We should win this one at home.
SF.....Win. We should take care of business. We are the better team[/quote]

This is exactly how I see it going down.

SUNRA 11-18-2008 10:15 AM

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[quote=mredskins;502024]Must win 12/7 game against Ravens, if you are a Skins fan living in the B-more area you know waht I mean. This is more important then the playoffs.[/quote]

I know exactly what you mean. Ravens fans absolutely hate the Redskins. I watched the Cardinals game at the Espn Zone in Baltimore and everytime the Redskins failed on a play the crowd cheered. So of course when we made plays, I countered their noise with Hail to the Redskins!

SUNRA 11-18-2008 10:18 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;502037]I can see us going 5-1 over those last 6 losing to NY only[/quote]
I concur with you absolutely. We lose one game. Now for some wierd reason I think we beat the Giants. The only explanation being we held them to the least amount of points and if Zorn can really utilize screen to Sellers and Cooley more often we can pick more first downs. 11-5 if our record.

SUNRA 11-18-2008 10:23 AM

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[quote=irish;502043]This is exactly how I see it going down.[/quote]

Why Seattle? Their offensive struggles are worst than ours. Secondly, this is not the playoff calibre team that played us in 2006. No Patrick Kerney either.
We win this game decisively. As for the Giants, I've been saying this all week that we are the only team who has a chance to get even with the Giants. Injuries have not plagued their team yet, but if they lose to the Cardinals this Sunday and we win in Seattle, I see us carrying that momentum and confidence into Fedex Field. I think we end up 11-5.

irish 11-18-2008 10:32 AM

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[quote=SUNRA;502047]Why Seattle? Their offensive struggles are worst than ours. Secondly, this is not the playoff calibre team that played us in 2006. No Patrick Kerney either.
We win this game decisively. As for the Giants, I've been saying this all week that we are the only team who has a chance to get even with the Giants. Injuries have not plagued their team yet, but if they lose to the Cardinals this Sunday and we win in Seattle, I see us carrying that momentum and confidence into Fedex Field. I think we end up 11-5.[/quote]

If this game is at home I see the Skins winning it but it isnt so I dont. The Skins dont seem to do well on trips to the west coast. The Skins will either lose to Sea and beat SF or beat Sea and lose to SF. Either way they go 1-1 on their 2 west coast trips.

firstdown 11-18-2008 10:41 AM

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We owe seattle a loss and we get our revenge.
Some reason I just think we beat the Gmen. We have lost two at home its a pride thing.
Balt wins a tough game.
We roll over cin.
We also roll over Phil. as they are falling apart and McNabb is sitting on the bench.
We just get by 49ers.

BDBohnzie 11-18-2008 10:46 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
11/23 @ Seattle
W - Seattle is 1-4 at home this year. Our defense will squash their offense, and it'll be up to Campbell to beat their horrible defense

11/30 vs NY Giants
L - No matter what you think of the Giants, their defense will eat the offensive line alive, and after what Brandon Jacobs did to Baltimore, I really don't see the Giants struggling down the stretch

12/7 @ Baltimore
L - Again, their defense will eat the offensive line alive. This game score wise will be a lot closer than the Giants game, but in B-more, I see a loss

12/14 @ Cincinnati
W - While the Bengals have struggled, they gave everyone else in the NFC East a run for their money (Giants 26-23, Cowboys 31-22, Eagles 13-13). However, I think our defense matches up very well against their offense.

12/21 vs Philadelphia
L - Somehow, Jim Johnson will have that defense ready to give the Skins fits all day.

12/28 @ San Francisco
W - Another team with a bad home record (2-4) and 4 of the last 6 away from San Fran, they'll just want the season to be over

2-4 isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3-3 is attainable. 4-2 is feasible, but unlikely. To do better than that, the Skins will have to address every problem and do a complete 180 on it. The offensive line will have go back to early season form, injuries will have to dissipate, and the defense cannot go back on its heels.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-18-2008 10:53 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=DynamiteRave;502003]So I'm thinking it looks like

11/23 @ Seattle W
11/30 vs NY Giants L
12/7 @ Baltimore L
12/14 @ Cincinnati W
12/21 vs Philadelphia W
12/28 @ San Francisco W[/quote]

I think we'd have a really tough time beating the Giants or the Ravens and I think we lose to one of the other four teams that we should beat. So, I think we go 9-7 and miss the playoffs. It's a tough pill to swallow - starting out 6-2 and going 3-5 down the stretch.

Meks 11-18-2008 10:54 AM

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choke. 8-8

praying for the opposite tho.

johnerotten 11-18-2008 11:27 AM

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last year this time,the giants were playing about like the skins are now and look what they did.the last nfc team to beat them before they won the superbowl was the redskins.

rypper11 11-18-2008 11:30 AM

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I think the Seahawks have already packed it in and are looking for the Mora era to begin. If the offense puts up some points and uses the game as a confidence booster then the rest of the season should be good (5-1 , loss to either Bal or NYG). If it is a close, defensive game then 2-4 is more likely. Right now the Seahawks are 31 against the pass and opponents average over 34 minutes of TOP.

Hog1 11-18-2008 11:35 AM

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We HAVE holed out from bad lies before!

over the mountain 11-18-2008 11:35 AM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;502010]I think we most definitely have to take out Philly and then ten wins will look better for the playoffs. If we can handle Seattle, Philly, SF and Baltimore, we're gonna' be doing good.

I'm most nervous about stinkin' ass Baltimore. The way we play against good defenses this year is very discouraging.[/quote]

yeah im with you, against good defenses our offensive limitations really come into play.

i know i say this alot but im just happy we get to play some meaningful football at the end of the year. last year when we clinched a playoff spot the atmosphere at fed ex was awesome. guys and girls running up to each other giving hugs, huge genuine smiles on everyones faces . . . having to fight to make the playoffs and doing so is really special after a long hard fought year.

Skins needing to play tough to clinch a playoff spot. would you want it any other way? no me, weve played hard for 10 games to set up this opportunity to go to the playoffs and i wouldnt have it any other way!!

go skins!!!!

hail_2_da_skins 11-18-2008 11:50 AM

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The only thing consistent about the '08 Redskins, they play to the level of the competition. If it's a good team, they keep it close and somehow managed to win some of these games. When they play a team they are supposed to roll. they allow the weaker team to stay in the game and somehow manage to squeak out a victory, St Louis was the exception. Seattle, Cincinnati and San Francisco are supposed to be locks. New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore will be struggles. The way the Redskins play, all of these games will be nail bitters.

rypper11 11-18-2008 11:55 AM

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It's also important to note that if the season ended today we have the 6 seed. We have the same record as Dallas and Atlanta. Dallas still plays at Pit and Phi with the Giants and Baltimore at home (they will lose at least two of those). ATL still has Carolina and TB at home and a trip to SD, Min and NO. With a rookie QB (albeit a great one) expect them to lose at least two. Phi is a half game behind and face 5 teams that are vying for the playoffs. TB (the current 5 seed who holds a one game lead over us) has a pretty cake remaining schedule but Carolina (2 games up on us) have a really tough schedule (@ ATL, GB, NYG, and NO with TB and Den at home) and could realistically lose 5 of those finishing 9-7. Despite the past two games, we are still in a pretty good position (despite how far the media is up the Pukes ass).

I love this time of year when we are playing games with meaning.

redsk1 11-18-2008 12:12 PM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
[quote=Mattyk72;502000]The magic number is 10 wins folks, and even that might not lock down a playoff spot. So that means the Redskins need to go 4-2 the rest of the way. Do you think it can be done? At this point I have my doubts, but looking at the schedule it's certainly reasonable, assuming they can get some sort of offense going.

11/23 @ Seattle
11/30 vs NY Giants
12/7 @ Baltimore
12/14 @ Cincinnati
12/21 vs Philadelphia
12/28 @ San Francisco[/quote]

I'm hearing we should win the Sea game and should win the Cinci game. Why? Right now, I don't have a lot of faith in the 27th rated scoring offense, our o line, our recievers, and our pass rush.

Like, SS said, against good D's we can't seem to get out of our own way. Cinci is bad but they do have some talent. Last week they played w/ Phili who have a similar record to our own. Sea is getting MH back i believe, and we haven't exactly played real well there.

Sea: L
NYG: L
@ Balt: L
@ Cinci: W
Phili: W
SF: W

Damn, that sounds bad, so i hope i'm wrong, but unless we do some fixin (which is very possible) this thing might get ugly.

SmootSmack 11-18-2008 12:25 PM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
3 of the last 4 years we've had threads like these but they always seem to come after a delibitating loss when the majority sentiment is that we are the Washington Generals of the NFL and nearly all hope is lost, barring some bizarre planetary alignment.

When it's time for an inevitable thread like this next year, I say we start it right after a win.

dmek25 11-18-2008 12:31 PM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
anyone that says they wouldn't have been happy with 6-4 at the point in the season, before the season started, isn't telling the truth. the redskins will be favored in 3 of those games. and will win the 4th, to get into the playoffs. there, i said it. i never make predictions like this. but looking at the talent we have, all that needs to be done is coach Buges working on consistency. might be time to get Mr. Heyer back into the line up

sportscurmudgeon 11-18-2008 12:37 PM

Re: 4-2 the rest of the way?
 
Smootsmack:

Start this kind of thread after two wins in September and you might have a bunch of predictions of a 19-0 season. Euphoria - just like gloom - can blur one's vision...

The Redskins should be favored in five of the last six games - assuming they are a point or two favorite over the Ravens in Baltimore. Three of their road games are against lesser opponents; the Ravens game in Baltimore will be challenging. The schedule sets up for them to win at least 4 of the last 6 - - and maybe 5 of the last 6.

What remains is for the players to seal that deal.

firstdown 11-18-2008 12:45 PM

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I'll say it here first that we blow Sea out of the water this week. Our D holds them in check Portis runs for over 150 yards (unless his knee is an issue and Betts see's more time) and the passing game goes. I'll also say that one of our new Wr's scores. Heck lets have fun and the D scores one for us as they are due.


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