Official Depth Chart
 

The official depth chart has now been posted on redskins.com.

[url]http://www.redskins.com/team/depthchart.jsp[/url]

No surprises, except maybe that Thrash and Jacobs are ahead of McCants. Cooley is also listed awfully low, especially as there's talk of him starting.

I think the Cooley thing might be a mistake. I hope it is anyway

Also has Nobel ahead of Big Joe yet the WP reports Nobel likley as a back up.

Im pretty sure I heard the Cooley was starting to, weird. Im sure he'll get plenty of snaps either way, even if he isnt the official starter to get his name called. Im hoping for great things out of him.

both the washington post and redskins.com had articles sayin cooley was gonna be the starter

I am blown away that McCants is the 5th WR. There were reports that we might trade Gardner because McCants was good enough to be the second WR. What the hell happened at camp??? He looked good in preseason and he really impressed me last year and now he is behind JAMES THRASH?!?!?!?!

We'll see the *official* depth chart sunday during the game.

It also states that James Thrash has chosen #83.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I am blown away that McCants is the 5th WR. There were reports that we might trade Gardner because McCants was good enough to be the second WR. What the hell happened at camp??? He looked good in preseason and he really impressed me last year and now he is behind JAMES THRASH?!?!?!?![/QUOTE]
why you knocking thrash? much more speed to stretch the d, and as well has alot of experience being a starter. i also think that the reports of the "eagles wrs stink" was to hide how bad mcnabb is as a passer. some of it lied with the wr's, but no where near as much as reported.

lets face it tho, thrash is not a #1 reciever, hes a decent #2, and a very good #3

[QUOTE=jrocx69]why you knocking thrash? much more speed to stretch the d, and as well has alot of experience being a starter. i also think that the reports of the "eagles wrs stink" was to hide how bad mcnabb is as a passer. some of it lied with the wr's, but no where near as much as reported.[/QUOTE]


are you serious. Thrash is not a starter. He could not start for us the first time he was here and he won't start now. McNabb, as much as I hate him, is not a bad passer. He is surrounded by the worst group of WR's in the league. Thrash was a number 1 there and he shouldn't even be 4th here. He does have speed so he can return our punts. If speed made you a good WR we would still have Russel on the team.

F.Y.I.

McCants our 3rd WR last year......360 yards 6 td's 13.3 avg. 7 catches over 20 yards

Thrash as the Eagles starter.....558 yards 1td 11.4 avg 5 catches over 20 yards

James Trash
 

James Trash is the type of player a team can't get rid of. Somehow his dad must be a big shot in the players union for him to stay in the league. When you have decent receivers like dyson getting cut, sometimes it makes you wonder. McCants should pass him on the depth list, and Trash should just be delegated to Special teams. McNabb is a horrible passer, but even someone like Manning can't make trash look good. I bet the Skins would give up a 10th round pick and him for a 12 pack of O'Doulls.

Trash could be replaced by Gari Scott and we wouldn't even miss him. Jacobs, if he can get rid of injury, could be our top receiver. Yes, even King of the turf toe himself could fall to Jacobs. McCants does great... in the red zone. I still think some bench time to develop is something he needs. Im sure they'll all see the ball.

The St. Louis game seemed like Trash couldn't get his routes right, either that or Ramsey was way wrong in all of his throws. I'm guessing it was Thrash.

Well, going by Ramsey's pinpoint accuracy and firm grasp of the offense yeah Thrash probably ran the wrong routes.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]are you serious. Thrash is not a starter. He could not start for us the first time he was here and he won't start now. McNabb, as much as I hate him, is not a bad passer. He is surrounded by the worst group of WR's in the league. Thrash was a number 1 there and he shouldn't even be 4th here. He does have speed so he can return our punts. If speed made you a good WR we would still have Russel on the team.

F.Y.I.

McCants our 3rd WR last year......360 yards 6 td's 13.3 avg. 7 catches over 20 yards

Thrash as the Eagles starter.....558 yards 1td 11.4 avg 5 catches over 20 yards[/QUOTE]

interesting. Of course the eagles didnt really have staring receivers. I think Thrash played third string more than first. Mitchell and Pinkston usually were in the game the most.

Reid loves to spread the ball around, not only with the backs but with the WR's and TE's as well.

Don't be too surprised if Owens "only" ends up with 75 catches or so.

dont be surprised if ownes breaks the NFL receptions mark and McNabb completly stops throwing to any other receiver, lol

That depth chart is not accurate. Cooley was announced as starter a few days ago. But Thrash HAS looked like #3 WR. You guys that are badmouthing him are in for a big surprise. He will be #2 soon. Scott is NOT his equal or anything close. At least not at this point in his career. He is clearly not up to the level of any of the guys they kept active. Hopefully, he will develop to that level.

that chart is wrong, its never been accurate ;)
if i had to rate the receivers right now, i'd put coles at #1, jacobs at #2... thrash is definately good depth, but right now i think the #3 spot (and maybe the #2) is going to rotate since our #3-5 are pretty close right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if owens winds up with less catches than that. The guy is damaged goods. His name could've been in the same breath as moss, but he coould never get his head out of his anus. Moss had the same problem, but was able to get his act together. I don't care how much talent owens is, he is a head case, and mcnabb isn't that great of a passer. Whiner not getting the ball results in a loser.

[QUOTE=im4skins]I wouldn't be surprised if owens winds up with less catches than that. The guy is damaged goods. His name could've been in the same breath as moss, but he coould never get his head out of his anus. Moss had the same problem, but was able to get his act together. I don't care how much talent owens is, he is a head case, and mcnabb isn't that great of a passer. Whiner not getting the ball results in a loser.[/QUOTE]

I'll take TO on MY fantasy team any time... ESPECIALLY this season. Look out for him this year. We will beat the Eagles by scoring a lot of points, we won't shut down Owens.

Hogskin, Do you really think McNabb will/can get the ball to him consistently? It's hard as hell to get YAC without an accurate quarterback to hit a receiver in stride, something Garcia could do, but not McNabb (IMHO). The only real threat I see from TO is on broken plays where McNabb draws the D while scrambling, then tosses a long heave. I don't know, I've never been as big of a McNabb supporteras most others... I just think he's good enough to beat ok teams, but not top notch ones. Especially this year, since the Eagles have no running back to really draw a defense's attention away from #5's scattershot arm. Westbrook is a poor man's Warrick Dunn, too small to be anything more than a good change of pace back. All of this leads me to think that any defense with an above average secondary is going to keep TO from having his way, simply through double teaming him and not having to worry about top notch PASSING from the qb. It's just an opinion, and we all know what those are like...*

I give owens until game 3 or 4 to start complaining how reid is running to much and not getting the ball into his hands. You can have him on your fantasy team. He continually ranks high b/c of ability, but his ego gets in the way of his play. I don't like mcnabb or owens, but i will say mcnabb is an excellent team leader, and if he can get owens to shut his mouth and play, he could do well. Give me holt, moss, d mason, horn, harrison, ward, and even coles over owens.

Bleed, yes I strongly feel he can do it. I have watched McNabb for the last few years, and think his accuracy issue is unbelievably overblown. Yes, he throws off target, but very seldom, and mostly his flare passes. And don't forget that about the weak receivers he has had for the past 2 years. Many passes were dropped, and there was seldom anyone open, so he needed perfect passes every time. Things looked a LOT worse than they were. Bulger and Warner the last few years, for example, often had VERY wide open targets who could adjust to a pass that was not so great. And their receivers could make amazing catches.

Another way to look at it is the actual stats themselves. Last year Garcia and McNabb had the same completion %. Over the past 4 years, Garcia is about 3.5% higher. If McNabb had completed just one more of his throws each week, they would have had the same %. Those drops have a big effect. And there were lots of them.

In any case, it will be interesting. There will be no excuse for either of them if it doesn't get done on offense this year. Their problem is going to be the major turnaround in their defense that is about to happen!! LOL

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!

[QUOTE=im4skins]I give owens until game 3 or 4 to start complaining how reid is running to much and not getting the ball into his hands. You can have him on your fantasy team. He continually ranks high b/c of ability, but his ego gets in the way of his play. I don't like mcnabb or owens, but i will say mcnabb is an excellent team leader, and if he can get owens to shut his mouth and play, he could do well. Give me holt, moss, d mason, horn, harrison, ward, and even coles over owens.[/QUOTE]

Well, my response to that is that over the past 4 years, TO had consistently more points than most of the guys on your list. And fantasy football is based on points - there is no scoring category for ego. I go for the points. Of course I would take Moss, and possibly Marvin, over TO, but you can't always get them. I'll take Chad Johnson and TO over any of those other guys this year.

Hogskin, don't Ward and Holt usually get more points than TO though?

Smack, I would not agree with that. Last year, Holt had a carreer season, Owens was way down from his normal, and Ward was having his 2nd best season ever. Owens and Ward scored about the same, and Holt outscored them significantly. But for the seasons prior to that, Owens topped both of them, sometimes by a lot. so I guess what it comes down to is, do you think Owens has shot his wad and has nothing left, or do you think he will fail with McNabb and the disgusting Eagle fans? I personally feel he will have HIS carreer season and Holt will go back to his usual good season. I know Holt's performance against the Redskins a couple weeks ago made it look like he is superman, but it's not going to be that easy for him in the season. There will be plenty of double coverage - and Bulger has to prove he can do another incredible job in his second season starting. Most guys with that type of a start have a tough time living up to it.

One last point on Holt vs Owens. The Rams have a pretty good D now, and they have a guy that can grind it out in the 4th quarter. After all the criticism, maybe Martz is about to figure out that is how to win. On the other hand, the Eagles defense has been rifled with injuries and defections, and I expect a collapse there. They are going to need a lot of scoring throughout the game.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]That depth chart is not accurate. Cooley was announced as starter a few days ago. But Thrash HAS looked like #3 WR. You guys that are badmouthing him are in for a big surprise. He will be #2 soon. Scott is NOT his equal or anything close. At least not at this point in his career. He is clearly not up to the level of any of the guys they kept active. Hopefully, he will develop to that level.[/QUOTE]

Hogskin
You are absolutley correct about Thrash. Thrash is one of the toughest WR in the league. The guy has no fear, he will sacrifice his body to make a catch. No Alligator arms with Thrash. Great special teams player.
Even when DB's hit him hard, Thrash always bounces back up and hardly ever gets hurt. Something Taylor Jacobs could learn from Thrash....toughness. Scott, McCants, Jacobs might have more speed but they are not as good a football player. Sometimes people forget the game still comes down to playing football. Not how fast you are or what a great athlete you are. Look at Gary Clark. He was small and slow. Yet he was a great football player.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Well, my response to that is that over the past 4 years, TO had consistently more points than most of the guys on your list. And fantasy football is based on points - there is no scoring category for ego. I go for the points. Of course I would take Moss, and possibly Marvin, over TO, but you can't always get them. I'll take Chad Johnson and TO over any of those other guys this year.[/QUOTE]
You can't always go by previous year points all the time. I agree with some of what your saying, but circumstances changes. Eddie George would be a top 10 back if you go by the past 4 years, but his time is passing. Tory Holt is a guy that is rising and will do so. Owens will stay the same if not suffer. Philly still doesn't have a solid #2 receiver, so TO will be doubled. He thrived in SF b/c Garcia could deliver the ball to other role player receivers which opened up TO. Now that is gone, and you could start to see the small decline in his numbers last year when there wasn't decent receiver beside him.

[QUOTE=im4skins]You can't always go by previous year points all the time. I agree with some of what your saying, but circumstances changes. Eddie George would be a top 10 back if you go by the past 4 years, but his time is passing. Tory Holt is a guy that is rising and will do so. Owens will stay the same if not suffer. Philly still doesn't have a solid #2 receiver, so TO will be doubled. He thrived in SF b/c Garcia could deliver the ball to other role player receivers which opened up TO. Now that is gone, and you could start to see the small decline in his numbers last year when there wasn't decent receiver beside him.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you did not read the previous posts. Of COURSE you can not go by previous years points. In fact, in football, on the average, 7 out of the top 10 scorers at skill positions will not be in the top 10 the following year. My statement that you quoted and responded to was in answer to Smack's question, "Hogskin, don't Ward and Holt usually get more points than TO though?". It referred to previous years' scores, and that is how I answered it. My answer to YOUR statements about not wanting TO on a fantasy team because of his ego, was in my earlier post. Ego is not a scoring category in any leagues I have played in.

If ego was a scoring category TO would be the undisputed heavyweight champ

you guys are missing a couple of important factors.

if you look at the depth chart again, you will notice that thrash is the backup to Gardner and Jacobs is the backup to coles.

gardner and thrash, like art monk will be our motion receivers. To be the motion receiver, you need to be smart, you need to have the physical tools to run all pass routes. both thrash and gardner are smart(good route runners), have good size(big enough to go over the middle all day) and they have the speed to burn people deep.


Coles and Jacobs, like Gary Clark, will be the on the line WR. they have the skills to make a catch and take it to the endzone. coles wouldnt last a game if he had to consistently go over the middle.

3rd WR: will be thrash or jacobs depending on situation. thrash give you the ability to go over the middle on third and short downs. jacobs give you the speed and quickness for third and long downs. Wow how good was ricky sanders...

I'm not a big fan of thrash, but he will be where brunell expects him to be every play. thats very important.

mccants could be gardner's backup as well... he's also capable at clutch catches...