Scary stuff going down in India
 

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/india.attacks/index.html]Scores killed in Mumbai rampage - CNN.com[/url]

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The scale of this attack is breathtaking. There are some sick, twisted, and evil m'fers in this world.

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I wish I could say I am surprised and shocked. No one is safe from demented people who believe they are morally justified in their cause. I hope the hostages are freed without harm.

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The news reports say that the chief of the Mumbai Terrorism Squad is dead, shot three times in the chest. I applaud a culture where leadership means leading from the front. That man desreves a state funeral.

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Reading that makes me glad I grew up in a society without such turmoil and violence. I wish there was a better way to put that, but w/e works I guess. I'm just glad if I ever have kids they won't have to expose themselves to such a violent way of life at such an early age.

And I hear ya 70Chip. The best example of leadership is being at the forefront imo, and that's exactly what that Hemant Karkare was doing. His family should be proud of him, although I'm sure they are going to be grieving along with everybody else now that it's over. My heart goes out to all the victims in this, I can't imagine the pain and trouble they are going through right now.

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I was just at Mumbai this summer, right outside the Taj hotel and some of those other places. Security is very low in those areas so it is kinda difficult.

It is interesting because radical Islamic terrorist is something India is been dealing with for many years, and now it is something plaguing the world.

I was also in the state of Gujarat in India and there were multiple bombings in the summer. They bombed outside hospitals to kill as many as possible.


The main problem in India is terrorism will never stop. Muslim terrorists will bomb places because they feel discriminated against, and then hindus will react(like they did in 01) and burn villages. And it is only getting worst because the Muslim population is growing at a much faster rate than hindus.

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We'll see who is behind this, but one strong possibility is a group supported by the Pakistani security force, the ISI. In fighting a long-term clandestine war against India, the ISI has unleashed such wonders as the Taliban. Pakistan is going to be a big issue in the next 5-10 years.

Horrible stuff.

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That is one thing that pisses me off. We are in this global battle on terrorism, yet Pakistan is still one of our major allies. We give them tons of money, weapons, etc. Pakistan harbors terrorists even in their capital city, from all accounts. The government turns a blind eye towards terrorists carrying out plots in India, because anti-US sentiment is high amongst the public.

I know we need a base in the MidEast, but last time we gave people guns and weapons they used it against us later(Afghans).

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[quote=mooby;504495]Reading that makes me glad I grew up in a society without such turmoil and violence. I wish there was a better way to put that, but w/e works I guess. I'm just glad if I ever have kids they won't have to expose themselves to such a violent way of life at such an early age.

And I hear ya 70Chip. The best example of leadership is being at the forefront imo, and that's exactly what that Hemant Karkare was doing. His family should be proud of him, although I'm sure they are going to be grieving along with everybody else now that it's over. My heart goes out to all the victims in this, I can't imagine the pain and trouble they are going through right now.[/quote]
I society without such turmoil and violence? I guess your talking about living in the USA but have you looked at how many people are killed here each year in our inner cities or all over the US for that matter. People talk about how many we have lost in Iraq but we have lost alot more kids here at home in senseless killings. It just becomes a blurb in the news and things move on. If you look at the terrorist deaths in India over the past couple of years and our death rates here we would win that sad race easy. Just yesterday we thought back to what happend to us here in Redskins Nation with the killing ST but that happens countless times everyday here in the US. While I agree to a point with what you said I just don't think we are free from the terror in our own street by our own people.

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[quote=firstdown;504681]I society without such turmoil and violence? I guess your talking about living in the USA but have you looked at how many people are killed here each year in our inner cities or all over the US for that matter. People talk about how many we have lost in Iraq but we have lost alot more kids here at home in senseless killings. It just becomes a blurb in the news and things move on. If you look at the terrorist deaths in India over the past couple of years and our death rates here we would win that sad race easy. Just yesterday we thought back to what happend to us here in Redskins Nation with the killing ST but that happens countless times everyday here in the US. While I agree to a point with what you said I just don't think we are free from the terror in our own street by our own people.[/quote]

Oh come on. You can't sit there and pretend the US is just as bad. We don't have militant insurgents walking down streets with AK-47's in their hands, I mean yeah we have gangs and criminal organizations that use criminal tactics to get what they want, but the death rate cannot be as bad as some of the countries where bloodshed is an every day occurence. Now I don't have statistics to back me up on this, but all the same I feel that the United States is a lot safer than countries like India.

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Something struck me as odd today. The news kept describing the Lubavitcher Jews as "ultra orthodox". I follow religion somehat and I was not previosly aware of such a classification. And when I hear something like that I wonder about motives. You could almost translate the word ultra in this context as "these people are crazy too". Strange.

Update: Apparently the term "ultra orthodox" has been used to describe the Lubavitch though they understandably consider it to be pejoritive.

From a linguistic standpoint the phrase is certainly redundant if not absurd. It's like saying "ultra pregnant". (I'm surprised the Palin daughter didn't get this designation) Orthodox is a word that has meaning and this seems to be lost on news people and other secularists. Again, when I hear such terms in the press I interpret them as an attempt on the part of people to whom religion is completely foreign to basically say "people we don't like and we don't want you to like them either".

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[quote=mooby;504771]Oh come on. You can't sit there and pretend the US is just as bad. We don't have militant insurgents walking down streets with AK-47's in their hands, I mean yeah we have gangs and criminal organizations that use criminal tactics to get what they want, but the death rate cannot be as bad as some of the countries where bloodshed is an every day occurence. Now I don't have statistics to back me up on this, but all the same I feel that the United States is a lot safer than countries like India.[/quote]
See that is the problem people just ignor the high murder rate in this country becasue it is mainly one person at a time and not mass murder. We are ranked in the to 50 of countries and its scary some of the ones that have a lower murder rates. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;504841]See that is the problem people just ignor the high murder rate in this country becasue it is mainly one person at a time and not mass murder. We are ranked in the to 50 of countries and its scary some of the ones that have a lower murder rates. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]
ok, so i looked at your link, not sure what you feel it proves, but 5.5 /100000 is not equivalent to walking down streets and having roving bands killing innocents. And as the article itself states
[quote] The [B]reliability[/B] of underlying national [B]homicide rate data may vary[/B].[1] A comparative analysis of homicide data must be conducted carefully. [B]This is because the legal definition of ‘homicide’ differs among countries[/B]. Homicide may or may not include assault leading to death, infanticide and assisted suicide or euthanasia.

Homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[2] [B]They may also be underreported for political reasons[/B][/quote]

I hate when people portray America as a place to live in fear. American society has gotten worse because fear has been used as "propaganda" to make government more invasive. but that probably is:offtopic:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;504896]ok, so i looked at your link, not sure what you feel it proves, but 5.5 /100000 is not equivalent to walking down streets and having roving bands killing innocents. And as the article itself states


[B]I hate when people portray America as a place to live in fear[/B]. American society has gotten worse because fear has been used as "propaganda" to make government more invasive. but that probably is:offtopic:[/quote]

Agreed. Stats don't tell the whole story. I understand your point Firstdown, but all I'm saying is that America is nowhere near as bad as those countries where fear dictates what you can and can't do.

FD, you're making it sound like you can't let your child play outside for fear that some radical with an assault rifle will gun them down for living in a household that caters to a different religion. If you are one of those type people, then ok w/e I'm not telling you how to live. But I don't necessessarily agree with your train of thought.

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America is getting safer.

[IMG]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/totals.png[/IMG]

[url=http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm]Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Long term trends and patterns[/url]

Or did i just use my last EKG to validate an argument?

:Smoker:

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Seriously, when is there not some scary shit going down in India? Just a few years ago I read a piece recounting the number of murders there committed on the basis of the caste system (usually a person killed by his/her own family). How f'd is that?

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Almost as effed as honor killings around the world perpetrated by [B][FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=1]muslims[/SIZE][/FONT][/B], oh sorry, [COLOR=seagreen]are part of a culture, [B]not a religion[/B], and occur in Arab communities in the United States and many countries, [/COLOR][COLOR=black]according to this chick.':[/COLOR]

[I]An honor killing occurs when a male relative decides to take the life of a female relative because, in his opinion, she has dishonored her family’s reputation by engaging in an "immoral" act. An immoral act could be that she was simply seen with a strange man or that she slept with a man. In many cases, women are killed just because of rumors or unfounded suspicions.[/I]

[URL="http://www.pbs.org/speaktruthtopower/rana.html"]PBS-Speak Truth to Power-Telling Stories[/URL]

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[quote=RedskinRat;507094]Almost as effed as honor killings around the world perpetrated by [B][FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=1]muslims[/SIZE][/FONT][/B], oh sorry, [COLOR=seagreen]are part of a culture, [B]not a religion[/B], and occur in Arab communities in the United States and many countries, [/COLOR][COLOR=black]according to this chick.':[/COLOR]

[I]An honor killing occurs when a male relative decides to take the life of a female relative because, in his opinion, she has dishonored her family’s reputation by engaging in an "immoral" act. An immoral act could be that she was simply seen with a strange man or that she slept with a man. In many cases, women are killed just because of rumors or unfounded suspicions.[/I]

[URL="http://www.pbs.org/speaktruthtopower/rana.html"]PBS-Speak Truth to Power-Telling Stories[/URL][/quote]

If you're going to condemn the act by all means do so and I'm with you. It's abhorrent and evil, and should not be tolerated. Do us a favor though and get off that Muslims suck ark, m'kay. It wasn't too long ago the hooded White Knights of America a.k.a. KKK were lynching and hanging black men for simply looking at a white women all under the umbrellas of the cross.

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I would agree that radical Islam is a big cause for terrorism but again to me that is all about education. Most Muslims don't really carry those beliefs and those that do are unfortunately brainwashed at a young age.

Kind of like what goes on at Jesus Camp, but they are taught to kill.

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[quote=saden1;507124]If you're going to condemn the act by all means do so and I'm with you. It's abhorrent and evil, and should not be tolerated. Do us a favor though and get off that Muslims suck ark, m'kay. It wasn't too long ago the hooded White Knights of America a.k.a. KKK were lynching and hanging black men for simply looking at a white women all under the umbrellas of the cross.[/quote]


So you're saying that it was religiously motivated? They hanged them and shouted the christian equivalent of 'allah akbar'?

Your analogy is sadly inadequate. Did we see thousands in the streets celebrating a hanging? No, because rightfully most people were appalled. Contrast this to the reaction around the ME in predominantly muslim countries where they handed out candy and held parades when the towers went down.

Any religious group that sets themselves up as 'holier than thou' suck, but then I'm an Atheist, what would I know.

Here's a few very obvious resons why I am disgusted with the death cult of islam:

It is a muslims duty to fight until their opponents submit to islam (surah 9:29).

A muslim must not take a jew or a a christian for a friend (surah 5:51).

A muslim apostate must be killed (surah 9:12).

Resisting islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
(surah 5:33).

Done, thanks for discussing it.

Thread Hell?

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[quote=hooskins;507125]I would agree that radical Islam is a big cause for terrorism but again to me that is all about education. Most Muslims don't really carry those beliefs and those that do are unfortunately brainwashed at a young age.

Kind of like what goes on at Jesus Camp, but they are taught to kill.[/quote]

That's actually very funny, I just don't think you really intended for it to be.

[url=http://www.indonesiamatters.com/742/terrorism-poverty-islam/]Terrorism, Poverty & Islam[/url]

[url=http://www.danielpipes.org/article/104]God and Mammon: Does Poverty Cause Militant Islam? - article by Daniel Pipes[/url]

[url=http://defeatpoverty.com/2005/09/islam-and-poverty.html]Defeating Global Poverty: Islam and Poverty[/url]

[url=http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=5888]- HUMAN EVENTS[/url]

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Rat, you had this same bias a couple of years ago during that thread you started about Al Qaeda (actually some loon in Milwaukee) looking to blow up NFL stadiums. Way to pick out poorly translated versions of the Koran, would you like that I do the same with the Bible?

It's amazing that you think not a single Muslim has ever contributed anything positive to society. Amazing and insulting, but whatever you're entitled to your ignorance I suppose.

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[quote=SmootSmack;507427]Rat, you had this same bias a couple of years ago during that thread you started about Al Qaeda (actually some loon in Milwaukee) looking to blow up NFL stadiums. Way to pick out poorly translated versions of the Koran, would you like that I do the same with the Bible?

It's amazing that you think not a single Muslim has ever contributed anything positive to society. Amazing and insulting, but whatever you're entitled to your ignorance I suppose.[/quote]


I don't think he cares, he's athiest.

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[quote=SmootSmack;507427]Rat, you had this same bias a couple of years ago during that thread you started about Al Qaeda (actually some loon in Milwaukee) looking to blow up NFL stadiums. Way to pick out poorly translated versions of the Koran, would you like that I do the same with the Bible?

It's amazing that you think not a single Muslim has ever contributed anything positive to society. Amazing and insulting, but whatever you're entitled to your ignorance I suppose.[/quote]

Angry is correct, if you'd like to do that with the bible I'd enjoy it, I'm an Atheist.

Where did I say that 'not a single muslim', etc? Next you'll be waving the 'racist' flag. And you have the nerve to call me ignorant....

:confused-

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I should have been more specific, but I was recalling this post

(you probably can't see the link since it's in thread hell)

[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Please feel free to list some mathematical and scientific contributions that originated in Arabic countries from muslims. Just to clarify, not people visiting or discoveries 'rediscovered' by islam. Actual scientific advances made by islamic minds.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/thread-hell/15068-breaking-news-cnn-al-qaeda-plan.html[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;507522]I should have been more specific, but I was recalling this post

(you probably can't see the link since it's in thread hell)



[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/thread-hell/15068-breaking-news-cnn-al-qaeda-plan.html[/URL][/quote]

Again, where am I saying 'Not a single muslim has ever contributed anything positive to society' I asked a serious question which was never answered.

Well, can you?

SS, I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm genuinely interested. It's a subject I've been reading about for decades, way before it was 'cool' and I'm still surprised at the amount of misinformation out there. Writings of Kamel Ataturk and Churchill triggered this enquiry, should you care.

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[quote=RedskinRat;507525]Again, where am I saying 'Not a single muslim has ever contributed anything positive to society' I asked a serious question which was never answered.

Well, can you?

SS, I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm genuinely interested. It's a subject I've been reading about for decades, way before it was 'cool' and I'm still surprised at the amount of misinformation out there. Writings of Kamel Ataturk and Churchill triggered this enquiry, should you care.[/quote]

I thought I made it clear I wasn't specific enough in my original post

And I'm not getting into this again with you (I believe we had a PM exchange over this a couple of years back) Any example I gave you dismissed, so let's just drop this and not respond to each other anymore on this. You're not going to change your opinion on this, and I'm not going to find any reason to respect it.

I do agree with you that I hope to see more out of Thomas and Kelly this weekend.