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The Goat 11-27-2008 10:41 PM

Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
Sup everybody? I been thinking about this Sunday non-stop (probably not the only one) and keep feeling like it will come down to our strategy on defense. I know this sounds weird because it's the offense that has struggled; however, my intuition is our offense is going to play extremely tough football. CP will be 200% focus and I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis. Also, the passing game will continue to open up now that Kelly is making progress and JC has regained some composure.

Defensively, we're facing the best ground game in football. Just curious if anyone thinks Blache will stack the box right from the beginning w/ the front four and then the SS moving up close to the line as a defacto 4th linebacker (and everyone keying in on the backfield)? It forces Eli to beat us, which seems risky at first because he can be very good. But there's this: we've got an elite secondary now w/ Springs healthy and Hall progressing quickly. If we could get an early INT w/ aggressive man-to-man coverage Eli could fall apart as he did against Cleveland (the Giants only loss).

Again this is risky, but if we can effectively shut down NY's rushing attack and get a great game from Springs, Rogers, Hall, Landry and Horton I could see Eli begin to struggle early and the Giants unable to adjust.

rbanerjee23 11-27-2008 11:18 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
"I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but there is no way in hell the o-line will match up with the giants' d line...r u kidding, they had trouble with seattle last week and you think they can stand up to justin tuck, fred robbins, and mathias kiwanuke? give me a break...casey rabach is a mistake machine, jon jansen is finished, i mean washed up nothing left, and chris samuels is feeling his age (watch the dallas game when he was manhandled by demarcus ware). Through all this, Cportis leads the league in rushing...which says more about portis than the line because their pass blocking is pathetic.
Gmen 35
Skins 10

53Fan 11-27-2008 11:36 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=The Goat;504610]Sup everybody? I been thinking about this Sunday non-stop (probably not the only one) and keep feeling like it will come down to our strategy on defense. I know this sounds weird because it's the offense that has struggled; however, my intuition is our offense is going to play extremely tough football. CP will be 200% focus and I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis. Also, the passing game will continue to open up now that Kelly is making progress and JC has regained some composure.

Defensively, we're facing the best ground game in football. Just curious if anyone thinks Blache will stack the box right from the beginning w/ the front four and then the SS moving up close to the line as a defacto 4th linebacker (and everyone keying in on the backfield)? It forces Eli to beat us, which seems risky at first because he can be very good. But there's this: we've got an elite secondary now w/ Springs healthy and Hall progressing quickly. If we could get an early INT w/ aggressive man-to-man coverage Eli could fall apart as he did against Cleveland (the Giants only loss).

Again this is risky, but if we can effectively shut down NY's rushing attack and get a great game from Springs, Rogers, Hall, Landry and Horton I could see Eli begin to struggle early and the Giants unable to adjust.[/quote]

Defensively I think you're right Goat. In fact that has been our strategy for most of the year. With the d-backs we have, we want them to try and throw on us. A couple of interceptions would help us for sure. GTripp would know about this more than me but I think we tried Springs at FS a few times so Landry could play close to the line but I'm not sure about the results. It sounded good on paper, but they may need to make a few adjustments. I would'nt be surprised to see Blache play 2 linebackers and 3 safetys at times, but I think alot would depend on who we have available at game time. If we don't stop the run we're in for some deep s**t. But this team has come up big on the run before, hopefully they'll do it again Sunday. Portis will play his heart out, no doubt.

The Goat 11-27-2008 11:48 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=rbanerjee23;504614]"I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but there is no way in hell the o-line will match up with the giants' d line...r u kidding, they had trouble with seattle last week and you think they can stand up to justin tuck, fred robbins, and mathias kiwanuke? give me a break...casey rabach is a mistake machine, jon jansen is finished, i mean washed up nothing left, and chris samuels is feeling his age (watch the dallas game when he was manhandled by demarcus ware). Through all this, Cportis leads the league in rushing...[B]which says more about portis than the line because their pass blocking is pathetic.[/B]
Gmen 35
Skins 10[/quote]

What does that even mean?

To assert that a football team can have the league's best rusher w/o some good blocking from his o-line is just absurd. And good smash-mouth blocking is exactly what we'll see come Sunday - this will be the best game yet from the o-line.

Meks 11-28-2008 01:32 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
we need to try and score some damn points most of all.

rbanerjee23 11-28-2008 02:09 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=The Goat;504619]What does that even mean?

To assert that a football team can have the league's best rusher w/o some good blocking from his o-line is just absurd. And good smash-mouth blocking is exactly what we'll see come Sunday - this will be the best game yet from the o-line.[/quote]

dude, look up some stats before claiming someone else's opinion is absurd, i didn't say the run blocking was bad...I said the pass blocking was pathetic. Case in point, JC has been sacked 28 times (6th in the league) and in his last interview he said that the problem he's been having in the last few games is that he has been unable to look to even his second progression because the pass rush is getting to him so quickly...oh and u talk of smash mouth blocking, are you honestly going to say that the skins are better in the trenches?? I hate to disparage this skins team (who i support) but the giants have the best rushing offense in the league for a reason and justin tuck, fred robbins, and mathias kiawanuke have dominated every team they have faced....I just dont see jon jansen, casey rabach, and chris samuels being able to give up anything less than a 6-7 sack day. Also, JT has been a bust, Andre Carter has been pretty good but with all the injuries to the lb corps, i just dont see a happy ending to this game...so as much as i hope that the skins win, its really stupid to think that the o-line (12 sacks given up in the last three games) 'will have one of its best games yet'

CRedskinsRule 11-28-2008 06:58 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
This game simply comes down to can the offense do its job. The D has consistently kept us in the game. I have little faith that the O can accomplish that. This will be only the 2nd time JZ has faced a re-match situation, and he fell short on the first one.

dmek25 11-28-2008 07:18 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
if our offense would have done anything the first time around, the skins would have won that game. its all about our o-line, and if they can give Campbell time

Giantone 11-28-2008 08:38 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
Eli has never won a game in the NFL,never! The Giants as a team have,Eli is only part of it and he can't and won't do it by himself so this "Eli has to beat us" .....junk is funny.People who believe that just don't understand the game of football.Eli would love to just hand it off all day long...let the running game and the O'line take over ,keep your D on the field for over 12 mins on a drive ...wear them down,that is not done by just one man.

47FAN 11-28-2008 08:53 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
if we stop or at least slow the run eli will have a hard time especially if we get an interception or two.

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 09:13 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504638]Eli has never won a game in the NFL,never! The Giants as a team have,Eli is only part of it and he can't and won't do it by himself so this "Eli has to beat us" .....junk is funny.People who believe that just don't understand the game of football.Eli would love to just hand it off all day long...let the running game and the O'line take over ,keep your D on the field for over 12 mins on a drive ...wear them down,that is not done by just one man.[/quote]


I do recall a play in the super bowl last year that Eli made that won the game for you. Eli is more than capable of winning games if he needs to, its just that the Giants run game and defense has been so dominant there hasn't been any need for him to put the team on his shoulders and carry them. I was no big Eli fan (still not) but the kid has grown up tremedously the last year and half and seems very capable of being "the guy".

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 09:19 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
on our strategy coming up sunday. I think Blache will put more people in the box and let the corners play more cover 1, cover 0. Alot of run blitzing, and we'll see Jason Taylor more as an OLB this week given the injuries we have. Evans will more than likely play DE the majority of the game to give more run support since we all know Taylor stinks in the run game. I sure hope London can suit up and contribute sunday. With out him, I am not sure we'll be able to get off the field defensively.

Offensively - we have to come out with some aggression and attack. Max protect and let the receivers go get the ball. Hopefully this will take the Giants out of that aggressive attacking the QB mode. I look for Cooley to have a big game if they continue to blitz as often as they do. I am hoping for a couple of those quick slants to turn into big plays and hopefully hit Kelly a few times deep.
We are NOT suppose to win this game so we really should go out with nothing to lose and just attack early. If we can play with a lead, Greg may be more inclined to send the house at Eli and force some INT's.

CRedskinsRule 11-28-2008 09:23 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=#56fanatic;504643]on our strategy coming up sunday. I think Blache will put more people in the box and let the corners play more cover 1, cover 0. Alot of run blitzing, and we'll see Jason Taylor more as an OLB this week given the injuries we have. Evans will more than likely play DE the majority of the game to give more run support since we all know Taylor stinks in the run game. I sure hope London can suit up and contribute sunday. With out him, I am not sure we'll be able to get off the field defensively.

Offensively - we have to come out with some aggression and attack. Max protect and let the receivers go get the ball. Hopefully this will take the Giants out of that aggressive attacking the QB mode. I look for Cooley to have a big game if they continue to blitz as often as they do. I am hoping for a couple of those quick slants to turn into big plays and hopefully hit Kelly a few times deep.
We are NOT suppose to win this game so we really should go out with nothing to lose and just attack early. If we can play with a lead, Greg may be more inclined to send the house at Eli and force some INT's.[/quote]

Great Post. I hope JZ and GB read this!! Seems like the absolute road map for us to steal a win.

EARTHQUAKE2689 11-28-2008 09:47 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
I hope we don't "force" anyone to beat us

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 10:13 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;504644]Great Post. I hope JZ and GB read this!! Seems like the absolute road map for us to steal a win.[/quote]


I hear a bit of sarcasim.......

CRedskinsRule 11-28-2008 10:15 AM

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[quote=#56fanatic;504647]I hear a bit of sarcasim.......[/quote]

NO I was dead serious on this. I really thought you laid out our best chance on both sides of the ball. again Great Post.

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 10:17 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;504648]NO I was dead serious on this. I really thought you laid out our best chance on both sides of the ball. again Great Post.[/quote]


thanks.

GMScud 11-28-2008 10:48 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
Jacobs is nicked up, and Plaxico may not play. Other than Plax, thier WRs don't scare me one bit. We should absolutely stack 8 in the box and let our solid secondary do what they do.

On the other side of the ball, Justin Tuck hurt his leg in practice earlier in the week, and I read that he has a chance to miss the game. That would be a big blow to their pass rush. (Didn't practice yesterday- lower leg injury, listed as questionable: [URL="http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/422573"]Fantasy Football Justin Tuck : FantasyNews.CBSSports.com[/URL] )

We gotta win this one. If we lose we're under .500 at home and under .500 in the division. Not good places to be in late Nov / early Dec....

Giantone 11-28-2008 11:24 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=#56fanatic;504642]I do recall a play in the super bowl last year that Eli made that won the game for you. Eli is more than capable of winning games if he needs to, its just that the Giants run game and defense has been so dominant there hasn't been any need for him to put the team on his shoulders and carry them. I was no big Eli fan (still not) but the kid has grown up tremedously the last year and half and seems very capable of being "the guy".[/quote]



Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.

GMScud 11-28-2008 11:28 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504653]Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.[/quote]

You're taking the title of this thread too literally. Obviously no single player wins a football game by themselves (unless you put a helmet and pads on Chuck Norris). Of course it takes a team. By "forcing Eli to beat us," he means should we focus primarily on stuffing the run, thereby forcing the Giants to throw more than normal. You're splitting hairs.

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 11:36 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504653]Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.[/quote]

seriously, I can't believe you are down playing the play that eli made. Had he not made a tremendous effort to avoid getting sacked and the ability to see Tyree open, you wouldn't have been celebrating a super bowl. Do you not like Eli?

Giantone 11-28-2008 11:39 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=GMScud;504655]You're taking the title of this thread too literally. Obviously no single player wins a football game by themselves (unless you put a helmet and pads on Chuck Norris). Of course it takes a team. By "forcing Eli to beat us," he means should we focus primarily on stuffing the run, thereby forcing the Giants to throw more than normal. You're splitting hairs.[/quote]

Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass...........and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.

Giantone 11-28-2008 11:41 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=#56fanatic;504657]seriously, I can't believe you are down playing the play that eli made. Had he not made a tremendous effort to avoid getting sacked and the ability to see Tyree open, you wouldn't have been celebrating a super bowl. Do you not like Eli?[/quote]

I like him but I also like what Coughlin has done,all for one and one for all!:)

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 11:45 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504658]Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass...........and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.[/quote]

Well, unless you plan on playing all 3 RB's at once, I would guess we would focus on stopping who ever is in the backfield. As far as stopping the pass, I think our corners and safeties match up fairly well, especially with springs back in the line up, which he wasn't the first go round. This will be a very physical game, and honestly is going to take the best game of our season to win. I guess the point was trying to be made, that if we can make you more one deminsional and have Eli throwing 40+ times a game then we stand a better chance of getting the upset than we would if you ran the ball 30+ times.

CRedskinsRule 11-28-2008 11:52 AM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504658][B]Which runner are you going to stop[/B] and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass...........and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.[/quote]
I do get a little tired of assumption behind your statement; which I believe is, if a defense can stop Jacobs then one of the other two would step up. I don't believe that's the case against the Skins. When we focus on stopping a running attack, we stop can stop it regardless of which back is in. And remember, your 3 backs combined average only about 30 yds more per game than ours combined. Pure and simple stat wise what has made your team the better team this year is your ability to end drives with TDs. That is what we are missing. We probably will hold your running game in check. (note by in check, I mean you will probably have a total of 90-130 yds rushing all told.) and you will probably hold ours in check. So then the game goes back on the quarterback's shoulders which is what the starter of the thread was really asking.

One significant difference, at least as of today, is Shawn Springs will be back in the line up.

CRedskinsRule 11-28-2008 11:55 AM

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Also, as of now I will take our cornerbacks one on one with your receivers, I think that is the one matchup in this whole game we clearly win. And where Shawn Springs absence really hurt us in the first game. Don't be surprised to see D. Hall and Horton given some space for ball hawking either.

GMScud 11-28-2008 12:10 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504658]Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass...........and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.[/quote]

This is jibberish mostly.
CRedskinsRule and 56Fanatic pretty much summed it up in their responses to your post.

Did you really just drop Sinorice Moss' name? That's funny. He has I believe ONE career TD? Yeah, we're terrified of Old Amani, Special Teams Hixon, and half the player his brother is Moss. The only receiver who is a real threat other than Burress IMO is Steve Smith.

Again, you're taking the title of the thread way to literally.:frusty:

firstdown 11-28-2008 12:20 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=rbanerjee23;504614]"I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but there is no way in hell the o-line will match up with the giants' d line...r u kidding, they had trouble with seattle last week and you think they can stand up to justin tuck, fred robbins, and mathias kiwanuke? give me a break...casey rabach is a mistake machine, jon jansen is finished, i mean washed up nothing left, and chris samuels is feeling his age (watch the dallas game when he was manhandled by demarcus ware). Through all this, Cportis leads the league in rushing...which says more about portis than the line because their pass blocking is pathetic.
Gmen 35
Skins 10[/quote]
We always welcome new posters with a positive out look on things.

rbanerjee23 11-28-2008 02:00 PM

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[quote=firstdown;504665]We always welcome new posters with a positive out look on things.[/quote]

im just being realistic man...in my opinion, this season is already a resounding success with solid wins over zona, the boys, philly...however, the skins have not beaten or even competed with the contenders - giants, steelers etc. Do i hope they will win yes...do i think they will win...sadly no. for goodness sake, they had to come back against seattle and they lost to the rams!!!

jamf 11-28-2008 02:11 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
They are going to do the same thing they did in the first game. Hopefully they hold the offense to 17 points.

It's up to the offense to break out this game.

#56fanatic 11-28-2008 02:21 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=rbanerjee23;504671]im just being realistic man...in my opinion, this season is already a resounding success with solid wins over zona, the boys, philly...however, the skins have not beaten or even competed with the contenders - giants, steelers etc. Do i hope they will win yes...do i think they will win...sadly no. for goodness sake, they had to come back against seattle and they lost to the rams!!![/quote]


Being somewhat realistic on this site can get some people upset...trust me on that one. I am a very realistic fan, and understand that its going to take an absolute perfect game in every part of our team to win this game. And a little luck. The Giants are a very very dominant team, and we have been pretty average all season. IF we come out with same ole lame offense then it could get ugly....very quick.
We will be playing with a ton of emotion sunday, hopefully we can chanel that into our offensive play.

Giantone 11-28-2008 06:23 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;504662]I do get a little tired of assumption behind your statement; which I believe is, if a defense can stop Jacobs then one of the other two would step up. I don't believe that's the case against the Skins. When we focus on stopping a running attack, we stop can stop it regardless of which back is in. And remember, your 3 backs combined average only about 30 yds more per game than ours combined. Pure and simple stat wise what has made your team the better team this year is your ability to end drives with TDs. That is what we are missing. We probably will hold your running game in check. (note by in check, I mean you will probably have a total of 90-130 yds rushing all told.) and you will probably hold ours in check. So then the game goes back on the quarterback's shoulders which is what the starter of the thread was really asking.

One significant difference, at least as of today, is Shawn Springs will be back in the line up.[/quote]

Got it wrong,the point of the post was to point out that the Giants are a team no one person is resposable for their succsess or failure.The Giants don't have just one superstar, they have a bunch of football players.
You should never ASSUME.I know the Redskins have a team that can beat the Giants in this game, in more then one post I have said as much.This was to the point that ...we must make "ELI beat us".

GMScud 11-28-2008 06:30 PM

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[quote=Giantone;504708]Got it wrong,the point of the post was to point out that the Giants are a team no one person is resposable for their succsess or failure.The Giants don't have just one superstar, they have a bunch of football players.
You should never ASSUME.I know the Redskins have a team that can beat the Giants in this game, in more then one post I have said as much.This was to the point that ...we must make "ELI beat us".[/quote]

Oh my God man. Are you effing kidding me?? You still don't understand the meaning?? "Forcing eli to beat us," as has been repeated AD NAUSEUM in this thread, simply means take away the run as best as possible and make Eli throw much more than usual. "Forcing a QB" to beat a team is a football phrase used all the time.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. There isn't anyone on here who at any time suggested football isn't a team sport.

The Goat 11-28-2008 06:55 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=GMScud;504710]Oh my God man. Are you effing kidding me?? You still don't understand the meaning?? "Forcing eli to beat us," as has been repeated AD NAUSEUM in this thread, simply means take away the run as best as possible and make Eli throw much more than usual. "Forcing a QB" to beat a team is a football phrase used all the time.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. There isn't anyone on here who at any time suggested football isn't a team sport.[/quote]

Many thanks Scud - i didn't think the title could really be misunderstood...

Giantone 11-28-2008 07:42 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=The Goat;504713]Many thanks Scud - i didn't think the title could really be misunderstood...[/quote]

I don't think I did.

redskinslick 11-28-2008 07:44 PM

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[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE]
"Nature has made up her mind that what cannot defend itself shall not be defended".Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Giantone 11-28-2008 07:46 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=GMScud;504710]Oh my God man. Are you effing kidding me?? You still don't understand the meaning?? "Forcing eli to beat us," as has been repeated AD NAUSEUM in this thread, simply means take away the run as best as possible and make Eli throw much more than usual. "Forcing a QB" to beat a team is a football phrase used all the time.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. There isn't anyone on here who at any time suggested football isn't a team sport.[/quote]


And what it is I'm trying to convey to you is that you want to stop the runninng game to get us in our passing game.I don't agree with the "phrase" ,sorry.

Giantone 11-28-2008 08:00 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=redskinslick;504729]"Nature has made up her mind that what cannot defend itself shall not be defended".Ralph Waldo Emerson.[/quote]



"Literature is strewn with the wreckage of men who have minded beyond reason the opinions of others."

Virginia Woolf

redskinslick 11-28-2008 08:04 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
Punch Eli in the mouth and he'll throw us few a few.The Ravens flattend jacobs tires,so hittem low LL.

GMScud 11-28-2008 08:04 PM

Re: Will we force Eli to beat us?
 
[quote=Giantone;504730]And what it is I'm trying to convey to you is that you want to stop the runninng game to get us in our passing game.I don't agree with the "phrase" ,sorry.[/quote]

What is it exactly you don't agree with? The fact that the word "Eli" is used? Would it be better for you if the thread title was "Will we force the New York Giants football team to beat us with a team effort passing the ball?" Semantics.

If you're saying we can't stop the run, but if we do we won't be able to stop the pass, then fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

I guess I just have no idea whatsoever what your point is. You keep harping that it's a team effort despite the fact that no one here has suggested otherwise.

I can't believe I'm still talking about this.


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