Playoff Picture: Giants Game Aftermath
 

So after looking at the schedule, the key number seems to be 3 wins in the final 4 games, with the final two games being must win games.

With the concern being the playoff picture, the Ravens game is actually shaping up to be a pretty meaningless game. If we win it, we would still have a shot at 11-5, which should be good enough to make the playoffs in the NFC, unless Dallas goes 3-1 to finish the season. (Yeah, there's actually a decent chance that at 11-5, we could miss the playoffs if Dallas can somehow beat the Giants. Exactly how many wins we will need is dependent on how they do against a brutal December schedule.)

But a loss to the Ravens sets us up for a 10-6 at best finish. In this scenario, we would hold all the tiebreakers.

Either way, the only way to get to the playoffs is to beat the Eagles and 49ers, and then win against either the Ravens, the Bengals or both. And in any situation, we will need help.

Dallas plays Pittsburgh, New York, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Atlanta plays New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and St. Louis.

We need to finish ahead of both Dallas and Atlanta to make the playoffs, and trail each by one game.

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sadly giants will be restin players by the dallas game if they win next week.

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I would not even think playoffs until we beat Baltimore, Philly and yes, San Francisco, hell even Cincy could be a struggle.

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The game against Ravens is a guaranteed loss. Lets face it, we don't do well against teams with great defenses.

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I agree that we are totally mismatched going into this game. I think we will see some success in the passing game, but it will be limited, and I don't think we're going to be able to stop Flacco.

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[quote=saden1;506020]The game against Ravens is a guaranteed loss. Lets face it, we don't do well against teams with great defenses.[/quote]

Local people know we need this game b/c even the women in this town talk smack about the Skins. We need to shut them up.
That all depends if we chose to lead with our strengths and exploit their weakness. We can't play into their run defense and they can't stop the pass deep. They aren't scared to air it deep and they a pourous OLine.I think this game we can bring heavy pressure. They always a Rookie QB is fair game to throw everything at him but I think their pass game is better than their run with such a carousel at RB we could have the advantage.

Ultimately, what is our offensive plan we need to start being pass heavy if teams want to stop our run.

We'll see.

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I smell a 17-10 game coming up, with us on the losing end. The defense should be just fine, if not spectacular. Our offense, however, is going to have problems. JC will spend more time in a horizontal than upright position and Portis will struggle again. :(

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I'm not worried about the Raven's offense but their defense is going to punch a Redskins team in the mouth that will once again be happy to chin pose during the entire process.

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Obviously, a win against the Ravens would make the Bengals game not a must win, but if you see where I'm going with this, I don't see any way we could improve enough to beat the Ravens, and then turn around and lose to Cinci the next week.

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Two games back I predicted we finish out 2-4 on the season w/ 1-5 actually probable though I was loath to predict it. Today I think 1-5 was smart, though I'm already wrong in a sense because I thought we'd lose to Seattle and everyone else save Cinci. The idea of a win against Baltimore is Alice in Wonderland absurdity - primetime game against not only a good defense but the meanest defense in football. I will not be surprised if we are totally shut out, not only on points but possibly on first downs. The offensive collapse we're seeing is still in process as Zorn's presser revealed IMO. He is not calling anyone out on their horrendous execution - this travesty will continue. Beyond Baltimore I believe a loss against Philly is guaranteed because Philly is a much better team now and SanFran is a loss because we'll have nothing to play for by then and we're hardly showing up now when it still matters...

Cinci is still questionable but i wouldn't bet a dime on our offense... when was the last 0-0 game in league history? Maybe we'll make history in two weeks.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;506010]I would not even think playoffs until we beat Baltimore, Philly and yes, San Francisco, hell even Cincy could be a struggle.[/quote]

Yeah any team is a threat when we can't put points up.

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To be honest, I'm not thinking any of these games are going to be big wins for us. We seem to have a knack for playing down to bad teams, and running with (or attempting to for a 1st half). They have to show me something next week to re-kindle the fire that I had at the start of the season. I'm happy, but in an un-happy way....that makes not sense.

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[quote=The Goat;506047]Two games back I predicted we finish out 2-4 on the season w/ 1-5 actually probable though I was loath to predict it. Today I think 1-5 was smart, though I'm already wrong in a sense because I thought we'd lose to Seattle and everyone else save Cinci. The idea of a win against Baltimore is Alice in Wonderland absurdity - primetime game against not only a good defense but the meanest defense in football. I will not be surprised if we are totally shut out, not only on points but possibly on first downs. The offensive collapse we're seeing is still in process as Zorn's presser revealed IMO. [B]He is not calling anyone out on their horrendous execution[/B] - this travesty will continue. Beyond Baltimore I believe a loss against Philly is guaranteed because Philly is a much better team now and SanFran is a loss because we'll have nothing to play for by then and we're hardly showing up now when it still matters...

Cinci is still questionable but i wouldn't bet a dime on our offense... when was the last 0-0 game in league history? Maybe we'll make history in two weeks.[/quote]Well, that would be a coaching mistake. You can't just call people out in the media based on physical errors, the players will never take you seriously again.

But yeah, Baltimore is one of the three elite teams in the NFL, so I don't see us even being in it unless we improve on both sides of the ball this week.

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I want to be wrong but I predict we go 0-4 for the remainder of season due to porous offense, playing calling lack of halftime adjustments. The defense will initially play well but not for 48 minutes.

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I think you guys are forgetting about the Panthers and Bucs who are both 9-3. While one will obviously win the South, that will leave the other team fighting it out with Atlanta, Dallas, us, and I suppose the Bears for the the final two playoff spots. Meaning that every game is a must win.

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After looking at this team for 12 games I don't think we're a playoff team. Honestly how can anyone with half a football IQ think otherwise? We're probably the 7th or 8th best team in the conference. Playoff teams don't lose at home to the Rams. End of discussion.

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^ I agree. Why talk playoffs when we obviously can't beat the best team that's going to be in them. I just don't see what the point is.

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[quote=Ijaeger;506076]^ I agree. Why talk playoffs when we obviously can't beat the best team that's going to be in them. I just don't see what the point is.[/quote]

Smart thinking buddy. I bet the Giants fans are glad their team didn't think that way last year.

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[quote=djnemo65;506081]Smart thinking buddy. I bet the Giants fans are glad their team didn't think that way last year.[/quote]

I see your point and I'm sorry to upset you. I would agree with you if this team had shown me one inkling of a sign in the past 5 weeks that they are capable of being the Giants of last year. However, all I have seen in this time is a team going backwards instead of forwards. I realize we have played some excellent teams, but these are the teams that we would have to beat in the playoffs or SB. It just seems like this team has been deflating at the first sign of trouble since the Rams loss. Once again, I apologize, but for real, are we really the Giants of last year?

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What's wrong with talking about playoffs? We have a decent chance of getting in and it doesn't mean we can win the SB. Obviously we take a game at a time, but even players last year and 05 thought about the playoffs. They used it to motivate them every game and make the push.

This thread isn't really aimed at discussing whether or not we should be discussing the playoffs.

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[quote=Meks;506009]sadly giants will be restin players by the dallas game if they win next week.[/quote]

I wouldn't count on that. Last year, they could have rested players against New England as it was a meaningless game for the Giants. They had already clinched the 5 seed, and they played the game to win. They will likely get a bye, if they start resting guys for Dallas, that would be over 4 weeks without game action. Not a good idea.

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People this is set up almost like the last 2 times we made the playoffs. Our home failures look very much like a team last year, that's right the superbowl champs, We have'nt lost on the road since week 1 and 3 of the last 4 are on the road. We can beat baltimore cause although their improved they don't have the offense to make us pay like the other good defensive teams did.

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[quote=djnemo65;506081]Smart thinking buddy. I bet the Giants fans are glad their team didn't think that way last year.[/quote]

The Giants had the pieces in place. They had pass rushers, they had wr's that could take over games. We don't have that. We can't even score any points. I think a requirement for a playoff team is that it has to score some points. We can't do it and we haven't done it all year. Are we suppose to flick on a switch and all of a sudden start scoring TD's?

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i know people want to give playoff scenarios and all that, but really, what makes anyone think we would make the playoffs?? We can NOT score points. You have to score points to win games and our offense, for what ever reason, is putrid, down right horrible. We have only scored 5 more points this season than the Lions, who are 0-12 might i remind you. I was thinking we could make a run and finish 11-5, but who are we kidding. We aren't going to be Baltimore, probably lose to Philly, and the other two games are no gimmies when you think about our offense. I may be a little too harsh right now, but this offense or what ever you want to call it, is absolutely horrible. I dont know if its Jason or what. Its amazing to me that we dont give our recievers any chance to get the ball. I was watching the carolina game and steve smith, virtually the same size as moss, is given the opportunity to make a play. we dont even try to make plays down the field. is it Jason not wanting to take a chance, or is it zorn telling him not to?

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My only glimmer of hope is seeing how this team played their best ball with their backs against the wall in 2005 and 2007. Their backs are now against the wall again, we'll see how they respond on Sunday night.

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[quote=GTripp0012;505999]So after looking at the schedule, the key number seems to be 3 wins in the final 4 games, with the final two games being must win games.

With the concern being the playoff picture, the Ravens game is actually shaping up to be a pretty meaningless game. If we win it, we would still have a shot at 11-5, which should be good enough to make the playoffs in the NFC, unless Dallas goes 3-1 to finish the season. (Yeah, there's actually a decent chance that at 11-5, we could miss the playoffs if Dallas can somehow beat the Giants. Exactly how many wins we will need is dependent on how they do against a brutal December schedule.)

But a loss to the Ravens sets us up for a 10-6 at best finish. In this scenario, we would hold all the tiebreakers.

Either way, the only way to get to the playoffs is to beat the Eagles and 49ers, and then win against either the Ravens, the Bengals or both. And in any situation, we will need help.

Dallas plays Pittsburgh, New York, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Atlanta plays New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and St. Louis.

We need to finish ahead of both Dallas and Atlanta to make the playoffs, and trail each by one game.[/quote]

Thanks for posting the (gasp) facts. Despite the ugly loss yesterday and more potential ugliness next week we are still in decent shape for a playoff run. Our schedule is FAR easier than the Cowboys or Falcons down the stretch. A 3-1 finish can get it done.

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[quote=djnemo65;506069]I think you guys are forgetting about the Panthers and Bucs who are both 9-3. While one will obviously win the South, that will leave the other team fighting it out with Atlanta, Dallas, us, and I suppose the Bears for the the final two playoff spots. Meaning that every game is a must win.[/quote]

Have to agree here! It's time to embrace the reality. WE ARE NOT THAT GOOD. The way we are playing....with an offense that scares NO ONE.....the Panthers are set-up to take that final wild card spot.
And it really is not out of the question for Dallas to beat the Giants in two weeks. As others have said....Giants will be resting most of their starting players as they will have locked up 1st place & home field. Unfortunately Dallas appears to possibly be peaking at the right time and the thought of [B]them[/B] getting a shot at the final wild card spot makes ME SICK!

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I really doubt the Giants will rest players as long as Carolina/TB are winning. And Dallas does not play well in December (normally) Atlanta really is the true wildcard. Shame Norv couldn't due the Skins one last favor before he is fired.
We should go either 3-1 or 4-0 over the last quarter, yes "we can't score" against great defenses, but we ought to find a way to pull enough points out to win against the teams we have left.

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I think Coughlin showed last year he's not a coach big on resting guys and putting things on cruise control. He will keep the hammer down til the final whistle of the regular season.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;506120]I really doubt the Giants will rest players as long as Carolina/TB are winning. And Dallas does not play well in December (normally) Atlanta really is the true wildcard. Shame Norv couldn't due the Skins one last favor before he is fired.
We should go either 3-1 or 4-0 over the last quarter, yes "we can't score" against great defenses, but we ought to find a way to pull enough points out to win against the teams we have left.[/quote]

Ummm....we've struggled to score multiple TD's the entire season(with our high being a whopping 29pts against the Saints) and the last four games have been abysmal! We have zero balance on offense and just watching the Giants play yesterday showed me how much better a team they really are.

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This is the time of the year that top teams start to play better and put the hammer down. Unfortunately this Skins seem to be fading which is why I dont think the playoffs will happen this year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506098]My only glimmer of hope is seeing how this team played their best ball with their backs against the wall in 2005 and 2007. Their backs are now against the wall again, we'll see how they respond on Sunday night.[/quote]

Well put sir.

I think 10-6 will get to the playoffs?!?!
 

just looking at what people got left i think we can be in ok shape if we go 10-6. we may not get in with that record but i think it could be good enough....lets let the playoff picture shape another week or two but there are some NFC south matchups that are interesting and the boys still have tough matchups left in philly and pittsburg and i think the giants??? not to sure about that but i think 10-6 will be good enough, so that means 3 out of 4 not 4 out of 4........i like our chances of that......if we stay healthy we could do something in the playoffs, and i would love to see the giants again personally.....i think we were on the right track on sunday making eli beat us.....there was pick we dropped and pick that we did nothing with that could have changed that game......i want them again, and i think our team does too, though i am sure they would not just come out and say that.

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There's already a thread discussing this

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Atlanta is 8-4 right now, they would only need to go 2-2 to get to 10-6 and get that 6th playoff spot. We need to go 3-1 and right now realistictly....

vs. Baltimore - tough as nails defense, we could only win if their offense is subpar...but their defense is just too good. (L)

vs. Bengals - we could win this one. (W)

vs. Iggles - A "we should win" game, but they have a good front four in defense that could disrupt our game.

@ San Fran - and this would be our Rams part 2 game, a team we should be able to beat easily, but could end up losing. (L)

Even if we beat the Bengals and S.F., that would put us at 9-7, not good enough to get that 6th playoff spot in the NFC this year, unless a whole bunc of people lose.

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agree with you 100% holcknowsbest good post

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I think Atlanta is getting to 11 wins, so we won't catch them. But [B]EVERYONE should pull for Tampa Bay this Monday Night.[/B] Both Tampa and Carolina face brutal schedules down the stretch, but ALL of Carolina's 3 losses have come in conference play, and they finish the season on the road at the Giants and at the Saints.

I think if Tampa Bay beats Carolina this week, the Panthers finish 10-6, and we would hold the tie breaker with them if we can get to 10-6 and finish "ahead" of Dallas.

We probably won't hold the tiebreaker with TB if they finish at 10-6, and plus, they seem like a much better team than CAR and would probably rebound and finish 11-5 or better even with a loss this Monday.

So, depending on what Dallas does against Philly and the NYG, I think 10-6 gets us in as long as we can beat Philadelphia.

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So depending on what Dallas does, I see:

(Tampa Bay victory)

1. New York Giants
2. Tampa Bay Bucs
3. Arizona Cardinals
4. Minnesota Vikings/Chicago Bears
5. Atlanta Falcons
6. Dallas Cowboys/Washington Redskins

but, (with a Carolina victory)

1. New York Giants
2. Atlanta Falcons
3. Arizona Cardinals
4. Minnesota Vikings/Chicago Bears
5. Carolina Panthers
6. Tampa Bay Bucs/Dallas Cowboys (if Dallas wins 11 games only)

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It's a weird feeling to not play a meaningful game in the playoff picture for the next two weeks, but maybe it will be a good thing. All we have to do is avoid being 7-7 and consequently, mathematically eliminated when we face the Eagles in two weeks.

We don't control our own destiny, which is, in itself a crappy feeling, but at least it should take some pressure off this game with the Ravens, who are a much better team than we are.

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Honestly, I dont think Dallas or Washington is getting in. I think Atlanta and Carolina will both get in and the South will send 3 teams.

Dallas's stretch is just too brutal, IMO. And we just really arent playing well enough, which I hope changes, but I wont hold my breath.

I'll give Atlanta credit too, no matter what happens the rest of the way. I expected that team to fold and fade so many times this year, and they're still right in position, I tip my hat to them with the crap they've gone through.